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OP, it sounds like you never sync your phone. You can delete all of your photos on your phone after a sync, same with voice memos.

Try syncing your phone once a day.
 
[snip] Apple likes to presume what their users want, [snip]

Apple is not presuming what their users want. They are building a device that works the way that Steve Jobs thinks it should work.

BMW does the same thing with their cars. Other car makers go around asking focus groups if they like this feature or want that capability (and then misinterpret the results) but BMW makes a car they way they think it should be made.

If a user thinks Jobs is right, the device put out by Apple works they way it should, then they should buy one. If a user thinks he is wrong, they can go buy something else that is closer to their ideal. Or they can make their own. If they are right they should be able to make a fortune. Apple is making a fortune doing it wrong. Google is out to make a fortune doing it the way they think it should be done.

Many people on here (and in the world) find that pompous. Personally, I feel that if you don't know how to make a product right (or have an opinion on what "right" is) let someone else do it. Don't go trying to figure out what the masses might want and try to implement it. You will fail if that is your plan. So I applaud Jobs for having an idea of how he wants the product to work and making it happen.
 
You sometimes have valuable things to say. And then you muck it up with over generalizations like the one above which make it hard to take you seriously.

Do you take simple numbers seriously? With 3 million iPhone 4s sold (and that was back in mid-July), an AppleCare complaint rate of 0.55%, and return rate of 1.7%, it doesn't sound like an over-generalization to me. The vast majority of people who have bought the iPhone 4 clearly are very satisfied with the device.

I'm sorry but that's simply not true. My brother and his wife who don't troll the messageboards bombarded me with emails about the proximity sensor. Actually, they didn't even know the term "proximity sensor." They just kept asking me why they would keep muting people etc after they got their iPhone 4s.

Apple screwed up this iPhone release, NO question.

Sorry, but sales numbers and return rates make your statement patently false. And if it was such a huge problem, why didn't we get a "Proximitygate" to follow our "Antennagate"?
 
Do you take simple numbers seriously? With 3 million iPhone 4s sold (and that was back in mid-July), an AppleCare complaint rate of 0.55%, and return rate of 1.7%, it doesn't sound like an over-generalization to me. The vast majority of people who have bought the iPhone 4 clearly are very satisfied with the device.

"Not really. It only "fell" from the perspective of those who spend the majority of their free time on tech blogs and Fandroid sites and believe the FUD that was flying during "Antennagate"."

I was referring to your overgeneralization of who was perpetuating the idea that there is an Antenna issue. It's not just tech bloggers or fandroids as you put it.
 
I was referring to your overgeneralization of who was perpetuating the idea that there is an Antenna issue. It's not just tech bloggers or fandroids as you put it.

Yeah. It pretty much is. And the only ones who are still beating the dead horse are the Fandroids and Apple-haters, most everyone else has moved on.

The mainstream media only picked up on the "story" after the tech blogs had been running near-daily articles about it. As I've pointed out, complaint and return rates demonstrate that it was much ado about nothing from day one.
 
Yeah. It pretty much is. And the only ones who are still beating the dead horse are the Fandroids and Apple-haters, most everyone else has moved on.

The mainstream media only picked up on the "story" after the tech blogs had been running near-daily articles about it. As I've pointed out, complaint and return rates demonstrate that it was much ado about nothing from day one.

You speak in hyperbole. Define Fandroid and Apple Hater. Is anyone that says there is an issue a hater?

You have no hard data on return rates or complaints. All you have are stats that Apple presented. Surprise surprise. Whether they are truly accurate - no one here can confirm or deny.

You can have your opinion - just recognize that it is you opinion - not fact. Other people disagree. That doesn't make them haters. Or fandroids.
 
You have no hard data on return rates or complaints. All you have are stats that Apple presented. Surprise surprise. Whether they are truly accurate - no one here can confirm or deny.

Wow. So when someone presents data that makes your weak attempt at argument look even weaker, you just trot out the tired "well, you have no proof of those numbers"? Fantastic. I'll take that as you tipping your King over.

I think if Apple had flat-out invented numbers for their "Antennagate" presser back in July, the ravenous media who were gleefully reporting on the problem at the time would have done enough digging over a month later to have found them out should they have been lying about their data. But you just go right on living in your little fantasy world where evil corporations can simply issue public statements filled with lies and never get called on them. :rolleyes:
 
Agree with OP about first 3 points. Having to clear the entire history when you just want to delete one freakin call is stupid. Also having to delete pictures one by one only proves a moron is an engineer.

Does apple not have people test things out and realize how piss poor the setup is?
 
Agree with OP about first 3 points. Having to clear the entire history when you just want to delete one freakin call is stupid. Also having to delete pictures one by one only proves a moron is an engineer.

Does apple not have people test things out and realize how piss poor the setup is?

i would say Apple is more about looks than quality control.
 
Wow. So when someone presents data that makes your weak attempt at argument look even weaker, you just trot out the tired "well, you have no proof of those numbers"? Fantastic. I'll take that as you tipping your King over.

I think if Apple had flat-out invented numbers for their "Antennagate" presser back in July, the ravenous media who were gleefully reporting on the problem at the time would have done enough digging over a month later to have found them out should they have been lying about their data. But you just go right on living in your little fantasy world where evil corporations can simply issue public statements filled with lies and never get called on them. :rolleyes:

you completely misinterpreted what I wrote. And you have a history of being antagonistic. I have no desire to feed your ego nor waste my time explaining myself to you more than I already have.
 
I can't believe so many people feel the speakers are good. I also have to put many people on speaker phone to hear them in busy places. I have missed calls while sitting across the room with all of my iPhones, but my Razr was audible from across the house.

The first iPhone was by far the worst. I could barely hear a damn thing on it. However, the 3G was a step-up but I am not sure how much improvement has been made in this area since then (I skipped the 3GS but have the 4; have not used it enough to notice any speaker differences).
 
These things are so basic and no brainers so that all the phones have them... except of course iPhone! :mad:

-Delete recent calls one by one (can only delete them all)

-Delete all voice memos at once (can only delete one by one, major pain)

-Delete all pictures at once (can only be deleted by clicking every single photo and then pressing the delete button)

Now here comes the biggest issue. Much bigger even than the antenna issue. I can´t believe no one has complained about this!

-Phone ear speaker volume is way too low

I mean my grandmother can´t heart a thing with iPhone 4, but with her old rusty Nokia she hears just fine, which is much louder as it should be. I have a perfect hearing and it´s very difficult even for me to hear the other person, especially when I´m sitting on a bus or somewhere with background noise. I always have to shout to my friends "what? What? WHAT!? Please speak up!" It´s really embarrassing in public places and even more embarrassing that my friends are getting ammunition to bash my new iPhone! :(:p:apple:

So what is Apple thinking? Why can´t they get the basic things right?

IMO, I think apple leaves things out so they have room to "improve" the device later. They obviously sell millions as is. Kind of like leaving copy and paste out originally..
 
you completely misinterpreted what I wrote. And you have a history of being antagonistic. I have no desire to feed your ego nor waste my time explaining myself to you more than I already have.

Like I already said...you conceded the argument with your absurd post where you question the accuracy of Apple's data. You aren't leaving the debate because you have no interest in participating, you are leaving because you lost, and all the backpedaling and excuse-making in the world won't change that fact.
 
OP, it sounds like you never sync your phone. You can delete all of your photos on your phone after a sync, same with voice memos.

Try syncing your phone once a day.

I sync my phone minimum once a week.

Of course I can delete all my voice memos from the iPhone after a sync, MANUALLY ONE BY ONE! You can´t delete them all at once! I have hundrends of voice memos in my phone and deleteting one takes 3 clicks. That´s over thousand clicks, it would take hours! :mad:
 
I think if Apple had flat-out invented numbers for their "Antennagate" presser back in July, the ravenous media who were gleefully reporting on the problem at the time would have done enough digging over a month later to have found them out should they have been lying about their data. But you just go right on living in your little fantasy world where evil corporations can simply issue public statements filled with lies and never get called on them. :rolleyes:

+1 for common sense and logic
 
Like I already said...you conceded the argument with your absurd post where you question the accuracy of Apple's data. You aren't leaving the debate because you have no interest in participating, you are leaving because you lost, and all the backpedaling and excuse-making in the world won't change that fact.

Apple presented data in a way that made the issue a non issue. I never said what they presented was false. What I questioned was their accuracy. I believe that as stated - the stats they provided didn't truly represent the whole pictures. I don't fault them - it's not only common practice for PR/Marketing - but in other areas too.

When a company says they had 1 million in sales in the last quarter and present that as a "hooray" moment but leave out that it took them 1.2 million to get 1.2 million in sales - they are not giving the whole picture, now are they?

Apple spouted off statistics but clearly didn't give the whole picture. They gave a stat for return rates - and although accurate - didn't include people waiting to see what the fix was before returning their iPhones. Afterall - Apple themselves said that it was a non issue.

They also stated a statistic about calls complaining. They didn't take into account the people that either don't call (period) or didn't call because they already knew it was an issue (from the media) and/or were waiting on a fix before complaining.

So is what Apple presented accurate - perhaps. But you'd be a fool to take what any company says at face value without asking yourself why they would be giving out that data.

They also said that they admit they have more dropped calls with the 4.0 vs the 3GS. They said it was less that 1 percent of all calls. Turns out - ATT stated that instead of 1 in 100 calls being dropped it's almost 2 in 100 calls. Yes - that's "less than one percent" difference. When you state it cleverly. When you state it another way - it's very different. The iPhone 4 drops twice as many calls as the 3GS.

Stats can be skewed/reported millions of ways. And at a Press Conference for DAMAGE CONTROL you can bet your bottom dollar they will be used to debunk the perception already out there.

The absurd thing is that some people will blindly believe anything Apple tells them because they want it so much to be true. Or any company for that matter. Instead of just believing everything you're being told - you might stop and question the source and what's being said. Unless you don't want to think for yourself.
 
All this arguing seems counterproductive. Nothing is perfect and asking opinions on changes to make a product better is not out of line. If Apple doesn't want to make those changes, then fine.

Also, I know quite a few people (I am included in this) who have problems with their phones but just deal with it. My phone drops calls (proximity problem) on a regular basis. I just call the person back and apologize. I do that because I am too lazy to go get another phone and deal with the time that will take. By the way, this is my second phone. The first one had a bad battery, defective home button, proximity problem, and very bad antenna problems. The new one only has the proximity problem so I deal with it. I have not complained to Apple about it, as most of my friends have not. We all hope there will be a fix down the road.

By the way. The calender is the one thing I find that is not very good. My old Palm Treo had a better calendar, week view, multiple color dots viewable in month mode so you could see at a glance your general schedule, click on the day and your daily schedule would open, etc.
 
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