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Battery data (cycles, health, etc.) gone in iOS 10.

azfalcons said:
Can't you just look at the upper right corner and see the battery % remaining?
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We're talking about battery stats a little bit more thorough than just what the OS gives you as a percentage.

For example battery health as in how much actual battery capacity your battery retains or number of cycles etc.

When you have a phone that starts shutting down at 12% it's nice to check if it's because of the OS or your battery health is below 80% and you should get a new one. Or for example number of actual full cycles the battery has.
 
azfalcons said:
Can't you just look at the upper right corner and see the battery % remaining?
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Not only what silvetti said, but did you know that the percent in the top right corner doesn't start moving from 100->99 until your actual battery is already at 95%? So really, the percentage that Apple gives you is never 100% accurate, its only an estimate. When iOS says your percent remaining is 50%, really its only 47.5%.
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silvetti said:
Using coconutBattery for Mac I am unable to check battery stats on both iOS10 beta 3 and beta 4 (iPhone 6S) :(
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Have you tried Battery Life? They updated for iOS 10. Not sure what information is given as I'm not on iOS 10 at the moment.
 
Mlrollin91 said:
Have you tried Battery Life? They updated for iOS 10. Not sure what information is given as I'm not on iOS 10 at the moment.
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Just tried and it works :) thanks!

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Spoke too soon, it partially works, some information is lacking, see the photo attached.
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silvetti said:
Just tried and it works :) thanks!

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Spoke too soon, it partially works, some information is lacking, see the photo attached.
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Updated on my Air 2 and installed Battery Life. The app really doesn't even work, because the battery charge level in the app is just mirroring the iOS percent. When iOS reads 100%, the battery is truly only 95% and that is why I use these apps, to make sure its fully charged at 100% when I unplug. But I guess I can't even do that. This app is only useful for wear level now. Unfortunate.
 
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zorinlynx said:
What motive does Apple have to block this data anyway?
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Oh they shared some of their motives with me when my app was removed. It's all the usual Apple reasons, and coming from a real fanboy here, it's one of the things I hate most about them.

Basically, it goes against their motto of simplicity -- their products are supposed to "just work". Most battery data isn't easy to explain because it changes so randomly, and so they figure it's better to just hide it from end users. Obviously that doesn't apply to more straightforward items such as cycle count or power adapter amperage. Why they won't expose those values I really can't explain...

The other aspect of this is support/cost related. They're much better off only having to deal with customers that actually experience battery problems. They worry about customers walking into Apple stores and complaining about their battery health readings and such, possibly leading to an increased number of battery replacements under warranty, etc.

It sucks, but I don't see it changing anytime soon. You don't like it, get an Android...
 
echo1877 said:
Oh they shared some of their motives with me when my app was removed. It's all the usual Apple reasons, and coming from a real fanboy here, it's one of the things I hate most about them.

Basically, it goes against their motto of simplicity -- their products are supposed to "just work". Most battery data isn't easy to explain because it changes so randomly, and so they figure it's better to just hide it from end users. Obviously that doesn't apply to more straightforward items such as cycle count or power adapter amperage. Why they won't expose those values I really can't explain...

The other aspect of this is support/cost related. They're much better off only having to deal with customers that actually experience battery problems. They worry about customers walking into Apple stores and complaining about their battery health readings and such, possibly leading to an increased number of battery replacements under warranty, etc.

It sucks, but I don't see it changing anytime soon. You don't like it, get an Android...
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They probably sort of do have a point--or at least a decent general idea--behind that other aspect of it, as various threads like https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/battery-health-at-95-after-4-months.1985993/ would likely indicate.
 
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C DM said:
They probably sort of do have a point--or at least a decent general idea--behind that other aspect of it, as various threads like https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/battery-health-at-95-after-4-months.1985993/ would likely indicate.
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Exactly. There are so many discussions like that around that you can easily see how access to this data just ends up promoting more confusion than not.

I've written to them eventually and argued that if those reasons are in fact the real reasons, they should report the following:

- Battery cycle count (it's not confusing, and there are no random fluctuations to it)

- Battery health status: Something like "Normal" and "Service Battery". They do that on the Mac and it's very effective. No need to get into actual maximum capacity readings which are very confusing, but it's easy to calculate and determine a normal/abnormal state.

- Charger speed indicator, telling the user whether or not the currently plugged in charger is charging at the maximum supported rate. This is not at all confusing and is a fairly critical function. I have literally thousands of incoming emails thanking me for showing that information on my app.
 
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Coconut battery was working for me but stopped after I downloaded the El Capitan security update. Could that have blocked it?
 
alvesik said:
Coconut battery was working for me but stopped after I downloaded the El Capitan security update. Could that have blocked it?
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I'm assuming you're talking about the Mac app. Have you updated to Coconut 3.4? I'm running it on El Cap with the latest security updates, no issues.
 
So, after downloading IOS 10 and discovering that Coconut Battery no longer worked, I deleted the app from my phone, my mistake. Question, can it be re-downloaded on my Iphone since I had previously purchased it, and how?
 
wproct said:
So, after downloading IOS 10 and discovering that Coconut Battery no longer worked, I deleted the app from my phone, my mistake. Question, can it be re-downloaded on my Iphone since I had previously purchased it, and how?
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Coconut battery does not work on iOS 10. It doesn't even open. It crashes on launch. We are talking about the macOS app. To redownload, it should be in your purchased tab on the App Store or iTunes.
 
echo1877 said:
I get about a dozen emails a day asking about it, it really sucks. If you have a developer account and know how to use Xcode I'm happy to put the source code on GitHub for you and others to be able to use it (at least on iOS 9...)
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I'd be interested in tinkering with it. I have an old iPod Touch 5th gen stuck on iOS 9. At this point, I think the battery in it is in pretty bad shape. :)
 
echo1877 said:
Until now there was no public API for developers to retrieve battery data such as cycles, battery health, or charger information such as actual charging current and whether or not the device is actually charging. The data was actually available, but was not officially made available by Apple.

Many apps (including my own Battery Health which was removed from the App Store by Apple a while ago) took advantage of this information. There are still several apps on the App Store that utilize it.

Unfortunately, with iOS 10 Apple has decided to completely hide this information from the end-users (even though this info has been available on iOS devices since pretty much day 1) and with iOS 10 it is no longer available to anyone. :(

Just an FYI.

Note: I have not tested this with iBackupBot and similar tethered solutions that require a PC/Mac.
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Hi echo1877,
I have purchased your application "Battery Health". It worked exceptionally untill IOS 9.3.5 but on IOS 10 it doesn't work especially cycle count, battery temperature, and design capasity. I am angry with APPLE and i can't understand her problem with these informations!!! Really...what we can do? What;s the problem to know my battery cycle counts and health? Even with battery temp? She have really problem.
I am on your app ver 2.3. Also why apple remove an paid app from her app store? Did you give as any update of app and if yes...how we can take it?
Did you have your app in android store?
Thanks in advance.
 
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