I'm from the UK, and I don't agree. The show has it's own style and I'll concede the promotions people have hit the hype button with the title and description. However .... having a go before you've seen the programme is ludicrous.
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BBC One Documentary to Profile Working Conditions in Apple's Supply Chain
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I'm from the UK, and I don't agree. The show has it's own style and I'll concede the promotions people have hit the hype button with the title and description. However .... having a go before you've seen the programme is ludicrous.
The BBC and the reporting it supports needs to die, it's a politically biased corp ran by the government that has turned a blind eye to pedophilia, and because i own a TV i'm legally required to support it as well.. The whole thing needs disbanding.. but this is another debate
Yep, the BBC is essentially funded via theft. So it has no moral authority to criticise Apple - which is successful because it provides excellent goods and services.
Your 'treasured national institution' is funded via tax, tax is theft. I am coerced into paying for the BBC.
My dealings with with Apple are entirely voluntary. If I don't use their services, I don't pay for them.
HA!
I suggest you move to another country that doesn't levy taxes. Best of luck with that.
True. But in Panorama's case it's a safe bet...in the same way you don't need to go to the North Pole to know its blimmin' freezing.
Any other report programme I might agree....but...anyway. You could,still be correct. And if this time they chuck summat out that's not unbiased, unexplored and objective then I'll be pleased to say otherwise.
We shall see, viewers .....
It's great that the world has a few highly moral people such as yourself to set the bar for everyone else. But is it really one company's responsibility to fix every problem in China?
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yes dont go after the big dog
Only go after one dog.
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This. People seem to think that Apple is the only company that violates the working conditions guidelines setup, because that's all that major news outlets report on. When was the last time you read about multiple news sources posting anything about Samsung and their issues with underaged workers and overtime? In fact, people died in a Samsung run factory, and it didn't even get close to the amount of press "bendgate" did.
I find Panorama is usually pretty dreadful in terms of journalism. This is an important issue that deserves to be covered, but I have little confidence Panorama is going to cover it well, or in the proper context of all the other companies behaving even worse than Apple. I'd like to be proved wrong on that.
The BBC are supposed to be fair and balanced and all that, but they make numerous utterly bizarre decisions, and are quite hypocritical about it. So they can't let a chef carry on doing Masterchef because he has an ad deal with a potato company (?!?!) or let a chat show presenter wear an item showing support for a charity (?!?!) but they can let half their news stations actively promote the use of Facebook and Twitter every day.
OK, that makes sense!
The BBC are supposed to be fair and balanced and all that, but they make numerous utterly bizarre decisions, and are quite hypocritical about it. So they can't let a chef carry on doing Masterchef because he has an ad deal with a potato company (?!?!) or let a chat show presenter wear an item showing support for a charity (?!?!) but they can let half their news stations actively promote the use of Facebook and Twitter every day.
OK, that makes sense!
It's great that the world has a few highly moral people such as yourself to set the bar for everyone else. But is it really one company's responsibility to fix every problem in China?
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Only go after one dog.
who says its apple to fix it?
if apple is fine with doing business with companies that take shortcuts then what is wrong with having the public see it and do what they want with that info?
Nothing wrong with Apple seeing a problem and fixing it. But, how far down the line does it go before it is no longer Apple's issue to fix? What if the guy manning the food truck serving the people in the factory is using expired food to feed them? Should Apple take care of that as well? (Extreme, but I hope you get the idea).
I really am getting tired of these attention seeking, so called 'investigations'.
Blaming Apple for everything wrong within the supply chain is pointless.
Apple has done more than any other company to try and improve working conditions within its supply chain.
They have been making inspections and writing supplier responsibility reports
since 2007.
However, Apple could make inspections until they are blue in the face, it won't change anything soon.
It is obvious the suppliers hide all the violations while the inspectors are there, then return to 'business as usual' when they leave.
China and many other nations involved in the supply chain are well known for their poor human rights records. All the external pressure in the world from Apple isn't going to change a thing. Nothing will ever improve until the governments of these countries implement new laws for better working conditions.
Why aren't these BBC reporters investigating the real problem which lies with the governments of those countries. Blaming Apple is just lazy and it has all been done before.
Calls for Apple to return all the manufacturing jobs to the U.S.A are also just silly. There are no factories that could supply the volume and it is not economical. Using robots would be the best answer, but this would just put thousands of workers out of work.
Blaming Apple for everything wrong within the supply chain is pointless.
Apple has done more than any other company to try and improve working conditions within its supply chain.
They have been making inspections and writing supplier responsibility reports
since 2007.
However, Apple could make inspections until they are blue in the face, it won't change anything soon.
It is obvious the suppliers hide all the violations while the inspectors are there, then return to 'business as usual' when they leave.
China and many other nations involved in the supply chain are well known for their poor human rights records. All the external pressure in the world from Apple isn't going to change a thing. Nothing will ever improve until the governments of these countries implement new laws for better working conditions.
Why aren't these BBC reporters investigating the real problem which lies with the governments of those countries. Blaming Apple is just lazy and it has all been done before.
Calls for Apple to return all the manufacturing jobs to the U.S.A are also just silly. There are no factories that could supply the volume and it is not economical. Using robots would be the best answer, but this would just put thousands of workers out of work.
But these are not Apple employees. Why should Apple take care of another company's employees?
If this disgusts you so much maybe you need to move on from Apple products and Apple rumor sites. That would be the moral thing to do, right?
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So Apple is responsible for the well being of every employee from every company in their vast supply chain?
HA!
I suggest you move to another country that doesn't levy taxes. Best of luck with that.
That kind of country is easy to find, if you don't mind either living in poverty or being robbed and killed by the nearest warlord.
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To some degree, but then Apple acts to some degree as well.
But here is a link how self-styled do-gooders conspire to exploit women in developing countries:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...arriet-s-45-Feminist-Looks-Like-T-shirts.html
Indeed. But if the goal is to scrutinize bad labor practices and improve the lives of workers, you should be focusing on the worst offenders too, now?
This documentary is specifically set up to profile Apple because that's what will grab headlines for them. As such I find any stated goal of disingenuous. If it improves conditions at places in Apple's supply chain, I guess that's great--but Apple doesn't produce electronics in a vacuum.
Indeed. They imply that these are direct employees of Appke but they are not. And nothing is said of the other 70-100 brands test use the same factories etc
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Folks bring it up because we shouldn't only care about the workers on Apple's product lines but all workers.
Ah the BBC, one to ignore then.
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Whether or not they're impartial is certainly up for debate what is an issue is their investigative reporting leaves a lot to be desired IMO including the running of the organisation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC
I wonder if they'll mention Apple manufacturing partners are also those used by Sony, Microsoft, Cisco - probably not.
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Whether or not they're impartial is certainly up for debate what is an issue is their investigative reporting leaves a lot to be desired IMO including the running of the organisation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC
I wonder if they'll mention Apple manufacturing partners are also those used by Sony, Microsoft, Cisco - probably not.
you'll probably find the show is crap and doesn't come to any conclusions about apple, instead it says all of the manufacturers. The key is they use apple in the promotion to get people to watch and talk about it. I bet thats about as bad for apple as this gets.
Agreed, abolishing the TV license is well overdue.
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Yep, if its like any of their programming than sub par with certain areas sensationalised for views.
yep watch and listen for all the key words that the general population miss. Lots of maybes, could be's, that type of thing.
Instead they'll hear its all apples fault its bad for apple. Even missing the concluding statement that says this isnt apples fault and it isn't just apples problem.