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I've had to invest in a desktop which is running vista to cover me because my macbook spends more time being fixed than it does in use by me.

So in that respect, even though I prefer os x to windows in many regards, I'd rather have hardware that's reliable and this self-built computer is reliable. Whole point I bought a mac was because they were supposed to be reliable and the opposite proves true..:rolleyes:

And Vista isn't that bad. As long as you know what you're doing anyway?
 
I've had to invest in a desktop which is running vista to cover me because my macbook spends more time being fixed than it does in use by me.

So in that respect, even though I prefer os x to windows in many regards, I'd rather have hardware that's reliable and this self-built computer is reliable. Whole point I bought a mac was because they were supposed to be reliable and the opposite proves true..:rolleyes:

And Vista isn't that bad. As long as you know what you're doing anyway?

Yes! The only niggles I'd say with Vista are right now is the driver side from display drivers to sound drivers.

ATI has came quite a way with Vista drivers, much better than NVIDIA, but there is still more room for improvement.

The only annoying bug I have with Vista at the moment is with my Ethernet. If its plugged in I have no internet access. Renewing the IP doesn't solve it. Only way to solve it is, to have it unplugged while it boots up, then plug the Ethernet in. This problem doesn't happen with XP, it could also perhaps be a driver problem. I do not know, but Yukon hasn't updated the drivers since 29 January 2007. More or less the day Vista gets launched.

I do agree with the other guy who spoke about the ugliness of the UI. Its nice at first but the smoked glass gets old fast and becomes distracting. I use to think the OS X UI felt heavy compared to XP, now OS X feels light compared to Vista. Vista feels super beefed up gloss. The only thing thats nice visually in the UI is the taskbar. The windows are quite ugly like it has a crayon effect with the hard outlines and washed out colours on the titlebar buttons.

Did anyone know the Iconfactory made the Vista icons? which they also made the XP set.
 
I don't regret buying mine now, infact I may not even want leopard. :eek:

I know the shock huh. But seriously leopard is going to need to include HDDVD or Blu-Ray Support which will bring DRM of some sort.
 
The original poster thinks anyone that disagrees with him is a fool?

I have a decade of IBM/MS background. Since the very first low Mhz pc. In my engineering school we used the cutting edge 286 mother board to chase sparks and learn to design motherboards. Times change.

The technologies change. That is usually a good thing. But some folks are not great with change. Most MS users are scared to death of a radically new unknown OS after spending so much time learning windoze.

Most of them know Gates software is bogus but have no options they feel.

Those few that jump ship and try something different like Ubuntu or Mac, or another OS are the ones who find out a better way for themselves.


If windows had stayed at 3.11 maybe we all would still be using it. Maybe not. I for one understand the work that goes into the hardware and software and know it takes a long time to evolve into something as great as OSX.

OSX is now my choice and I dont look back nor do I curse those that have not found the need or interest to escape the chains of Gates.

Gates deserves your ire; the users are just slaves.
 
There is a reason that there are many flavors of ice cream -- not everyone likes the same thing. Some people like chocolate and others like vanilla. Some love butter pecan, but if cookie dough is cheaper they get that instead.

But if people only eat the cookie dough then the shops stop selling butter pecan because it isn't profitable enough. The better flavour is lost and resigned to history, nobody remembers how to make it or can get hold of the ingredients. We end up with a lot of mediocre flavours. People shout about good food and people shout about Macs - we don't want to lose either.
 
Your machine is an imac, you can't call people fool, you are a fool.

PS: Come back when you have a computer.

Miaow.

The original poster thinks anyone that disagrees with him is a fool?

I have a decade of IBM/MS background. Since the very first low Mhz pc. In my engineering school we used the cutting edge 286 mother board to chase sparks and learn to design motherboards. Times change.

The technologies change. That is usually a good thing. But some folks are not great with change. Most MS users are scared to death of a radically new unknown OS after spending so much time learning windoze.

Most of them know Gates software is bogus but have no options they feel.

Those few that jump ship and try something different like Ubuntu or Mac, or another OS are the ones who find out a better way for themselves.

Odd that people who say stuff like this usually are those who fear a change in their way of working more than most. A IIsi user can find his way around an iMac easier than a Windows 3.11 user sitting down at Vista.

Many of the complaints about Vista are because of how things have changed. Times do change indeed. You do indeed have to move on ;)
 
Your machine is an imac, you can't call people fool, you are a fool.

PS: Come back when you have a computer.
64-bit dual-core UNIX machine not a "computer" for you then?

You're not from the future are you?
 
Thanks

Thanks for your comment, Kirby. I know you have taken a lot of heat from posting, but truth be told, windows doesn't compare. I have used both systems for quite some time now. I used Windows Media Player for a few months, then spent hours converting my music to iTunes and haven't regretted it since. Apple's products are better. They stand behind them. They are way more helpful.

My best advice is:

Go :apple: :apple: !
 
Look, if I drive a ford F150 when was the last time I got run off the road by a guy driving a Dodge Ram... Do you see the Ford guy getting flamed by the Dodge guy.. no, of course not.. You dont see Dodge guys standing around the gas pumps pointing fingers at the Ford guys and mocking them because they are idiots and dont know better...

now if its american made cars vs ricers then yea, i see that all the time lol.
 
Thanks for your comment, Kirby. I know you have taken a lot of heat from posting, but truth be told, windows doesn't compare. I have used both systems for quite some time now. I used Windows Media Player for a few months, then spent hours converting my music to iTunes and haven't regretted it since. Apple's products are better. They stand behind them. They are way more helpful.

My best advice is:

Go :apple: :apple: !

There's a word on the Windows platform... what was it? Oh yeah. Choice. Or if you want to put it in two words, Informed Choice. If Media Player is all you've used, you're not a Windows user - you were just a Mac user in waiting :p

I use j.River Media Center. Not the best in all categories, but the best balance of features for me. And if I'm not happy with it there are tons of others which offer functionality or utility beyond iTunes. Perhaps the Apple platform mentality of "You use what you get given and you'll be happy with it" suits some better after all though ;)
 
I use j.River Media Center. Not the best in all categories, but the best balance of features for me. And if I'm not happy with it there are tons of others which offer functionality or utility beyond iTunes. Perhaps the Apple platform mentality of "You use what you get given and you'll be happy with it" suits some better after all though ;)

Though that one costs, and almost looks like the spitting image of iTunes. Though I do love iTunes myself. The one that has won many hearts on Windows would be Foobar and probably Winamp5. I've always been a Winamp user. :)
 
Though that one costs, and almost looks like the spitting image of iTunes. Though I do love iTunes myself. The one that has won many hearts on Windows would be Foobar and probably Winamp5. I've always been a Winamp user. :)

Superficially yes, it looks like iTunes.

foobar has got better but the reason why it's so popular among the audionerd crowd is that it a) works b) is free and c) allows for extensive geeking. The same reason that Winamp was originally popular, but foobar takes it to a new level.

I was actually pretty surprised once I got familiar with the Apple platform at the dearth of music client software. Generally speaking however I prefer the Apple way of utility and simplicity, which is why I switched in the first place - but I ended up realising that much of what Apple offers leans overtly towards simplicity and not enough towards utility once you get beyond a certain point of competence. I am willing to do a bit of work to have far more power, but not go on a geekfest. Which is what j.River gives me. iTunes can't touch it in all sorts of ways, and if required it will work almost identically to iTunes with an iPod, even with playcount syncing and suchlike. It does have a few problems with Vista, or there are a few Vista issues causing problems with it though.

Less 'be a fool, go buy Vista' but rather 'be premature, go buy Vista' maybe :D

Now I've adapted since I've had it since the RC, I quite like Vista and some of it's features. I find the much-derided (by people who apparently have no idea how it works) UAC to be equally effective as the Mac or UNIX for example. But it still doesn't have all the support I want for it, and the NVidia drivers for example are famously flaky. Only the other day for example I got an update that finally allowed the 8800GTX-equipped PC's to go to sleep properly. The thing is though Vista now has a big enough userbase (approaching or exceeding the Mac userbase) for manufacturers to have to get onto the ball quickly. I expect these problems to be resolved in the next few months. And driver problems which cause consistent, work-aroundable errors are somewhat less annoying than say... bendy overheating notebooks ;)
 
Less 'be a fool, go buy Vista' but rather 'be premature, go buy Vista' maybe :D
That's exactly it. Vista is going to be a big improvement over XP. It's just not quite finished. I'm sure by the time it gets to Service Pack 2 everyone will be wondering what all the fuss was about.
 
ive been using windows vista for almost 6 months now, and i have to say...

I like how it looks... but damn, anything friggin work with it properly yet? not really... (dont think im a "fool", i expect this with any new OS release)

I'm waitin for creative to make vista drivers for my EMU-1212...
the XP drivers work alright until i get annoying crackling, then i have to reset the patchmix and get rid of some resources.
 
This is the experience I've had in commercialist lots-of-choice land.

I am a tinkerer. I often find myself incinerating the OS on my PC and trying different things. Ive been everywhere... from XP to Gentoo to OSx86. It all seems to stuff up though. Nothing works, and using it is a pain. Different factors for each platform. Winblows annoys me with the sheer mass of annoying stupid dialog boxes and things that don't work. And the BLOATWARE. Linux with its clunkiness and slow graphical performance. (yeah yeah its quite an old box but shush). OSx86 with its random unspeakable errors that nobody's heard of, yet is still fun to test out and try anyway.

Apple and Macs in general have streamlined computing to the extreme. Because of hardware choice being extremely limited, it makes everything more uniform and allows it to just work. However the hardware, while looking nice, seems to suffer a lot from quality control issues. This seems to me that Apple cuts corners.

When I want to get work done, I just use my iBook and its OSX glory. Luckily for me all my Apple stuff is a-o-k, but I know for many people quality can be a pain in the '455'. Still, maybe this is just overexaggerated. Mac users who are annoyed at their stuff blowing up are much more likely to go vent off their opinion about the hardware being substandard rather than the average happy user.

Oh yeah, along the lines of stuffing up hardware, is there anything more stupid than taking your iBook in the bathroom with you while having a shower so you can listen to music on its puny speakers? Lol, its a true story. I know someone who did just that. That's not substandard quality. Take care of your stuff.

Experiences differ for everyone.
 
But if people only eat the cookie dough then the shops stop selling butter pecan because it isn't profitable enough. The better flavour is lost and resigned to history, nobody remembers how to make it or can get hold of the ingredients. We end up with a lot of mediocre flavours. People shout about good food and people shout about Macs - we don't want to lose either.
Even if their bottom line is tiny compared to MS, Apple makes a ton of money. I don't think they are going anywhere because some people (probably even the majority of computer users) prefer Vista to OS X.
 
you know what I'm tired of?? People that bought a mac 7 minutes ago suddenly carrying the mac banner high and proud and putting others down.

We had a similar flame war started here at my school by someone who had just made the switch and I'll say here what I sent out in my response to everyone then. Pardon the length:

"Mac users are like smokers, except Macs won't kill you (well, except for those exploding powerbook batteries, but that's neither here nor there). Cigarette smokers feel a group affinity with each other partially b/c they share the same vice, but mostly b/c smokers are persecuted by society at large. Yes persecuted. Next time you see a group of people standing outside in the snow outside the reading room braving hypothermia to enjoy a smokey treat, think persecuted. Similarly, for a long time the mac faithful were persecuted, especially during the dark years of the late 90s. Every mac user has been told "Macs suck" yada yada yada. Of course this was in the era before OS X and shiny white iMacs, when there were like 6 of us and it really was a commitment to stick to the Mac.

That persecution led to a strong group association and a desire to protect that self association. Mac users were singled out by PC users as deviants and oddballs. Many PC users bashed Macs and had never even used one. Being a Mac user became who you are. That Mac became part of your self identification the same way that a sports team or your hometown does. An insult to the Mac was an insult to you, the same way that if anyone says anything bad about Baltimore I kick them in the shins and steal their wallet/purse.

Now, purely objectively, as someone who has used Windows, OS X, and Linux, OS X is the best combination of stability, power and user friendliness. And Macs are now pretty. In fact, Macs are now hip. They have become "cool," in no small part helped by the cult of the iPod.

So, the old vanguard are now singing their own praises and those of the Mac? No. I think most of us, being somewhat nerdly folk, are saddened that every other person in the world learned our nerdly little secret. I'm willing to bet that the most nerdly Mac uses switched to Linux just to stay on the fringes, but those people are weird, like people that refuse to admit that some Backstreet Boys songs are catchy and have a good beat. You know you like it, but you have to be above that popular nonsense.

The problem is people who signed up in the post iMac era, became socialized to the persecution complex felt in the Mac community, and felt they could now speak for all of us and be pains in the butt. Now, I'll admit I'm a mac advocate to others, but only when it's appropriate. I think most average users would be happy with a Mac.

So, I guess I have two points: First, don't condemn us all because of a few Mac evangelists, we're not all nuts, and second, if you've never used a Mac OS where you watched the extensions load on boot up (and you know you didn't if you don't know what I'm talking about), then shut up. If you never owned a beige mac, then shut up. If you never bought a mac you couldn't buy online at the same time, shut up. If you never owned a mac that didn't begin with "i" then shut up.

You're making life hard for the rest of us. Shut up."
 
I was on Amtrak this week and noticed two friends talking about Vista vs. MacOS. The Vista guy couldn't believe it when his friend told him Macs didn't get viruses, so they looked it up on the web. :) The Vista guy conceded defeat, but maintained that Macs were only good for graphic design. :)
 
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