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No they do not. But can you point to other instances of violence to women after that incidence? I haven't found others in my search.

I was speaking specifically about whether time heals all sins. It doesn't. Neither does just not doing stuff unless you positively address what you did.

Not knowing much about Dr Dre I googled Dr Dre women. It seems like he also beat his girlfriend during the 90s and broke her nose. Probably other stuff has happened since that isn't in the first page of results.
 
Apologize for lyrics in songs?? OMG if that is a criteria, then the entire entertainment industry needs to do the same. Do you know how many movies, tv shows, books, plays have been misogynistic to women thought history??

Yes, I do realize how many artistic works have been misogynistic or outright violent towards women. And it will continue until people of both genders say enough's enough and not look the other way.

One case I can think of is John Lennon, who wrote the song "Run For Your Life" with the Beatles. He later said it was the "one song I most regret writing." In the song he says things like:

"I'd rather see you dead little girl than to be with another man"
"You better run for your life if you can, little girl [...] catch you with another man, that's the end, little girl"
"Let this be a sermon, I mean everything I've said. Baby I'm determined, and I'd rather see you dead."

So while he didn't apologize outright as far as I know, he obvious evolved, said he regretted it, and then wrote more positive lyrics about women. In "Power To the People", he says,

"I gotta ask you, comrades and brothers
How do you treat your own woman back home
She's got to be herself
So she can free herself"

Dr. Dre's lyrics seem to be more demeaning and graphic, and I won't post excerpts here. I don't know his work enough to know if he's gotten less (or not at all) misogynistic over the years. If so and he's a changed man, I'm very happy. But the fact that there are no recent reports of him assaulting women doesn't absolve him from what he did and wrote before.

No, I don't think everyone who's ever been misogynist should be required to apologize. But you'd kind of think you'd want to make amends if you realized it was wrong and had enough celebrity that people would listen to you.

Apple presents itself as being very progressive (although I don't think they do enough, they speak out for gay rights, improving workers' rights, the fight against AIDS, etc.). Unless he has changed, Dr. Dre would seem an odd choice to fit into that culture and their corporate image.
 
People need to lay off the Dr. Dre is an "uncivilized savage" meme, and that Apple is going "ghetto".

I've ready plenty of articles of domestic abuse that involved white people, and I've never seen them described as uncivilized or as savages. Those terms seem to be reserved exclusively for minorities most specifically blacks.

What's so "ghetto" about Beats? Are they the best, no, but they're a very successful and known brand, and if their product was as horrible as some say it is then they wouldn't be known nor would they be successful. So the only thing I can draw from many of these comments are that some people don't like the idea of a black man in a power position at Apple.
 
I was speaking specifically about whether time heals all sins. It doesn't. Neither does just not doing stuff unless you positively address what you did.



Not knowing much about Dr Dre I googled Dr Dre women. It seems like he also beat his girlfriend during the 90s and broke her nose. Probably other stuff has happened since that isn't in the first page of results.


You're talking about Sins and you're committing one yourself. Remember judge not less ye be judged"
And so that you know he did apologize along with doing Public service announcements about Violence against Women. It kills me how Anti-Rap music People keep bringing this up and saying that Apple is going Ghetto. So if it was Lady GaGa would you say Apple is going Gay or if it was Marilyn Manson would you say Apple is worshiping the Devil???
 
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Yes, I do realize how many artistic works have been misogynistic or outright violent towards women. And it will continue until people of both genders say enough's enough and not look the other way.

One case I can think of is John Lennon, who wrote the song "Run For Your Life" with the Beatles. He later said it was the "one song I most regret writing." In the song he says things like:

"I'd rather see you dead little girl than to be with another man"
"You better run for your life if you can, little girl [...] catch you with another man, that's the end, little girl"
"Let this be a sermon, I mean everything I've said. Baby I'm determined, and I'd rather see you dead."

So while he didn't apologize outright as far as I know, he obvious evolved, said he regretted it, and then wrote more positive lyrics about women. In "Power To the People", he says,

"I gotta ask you, comrades and brothers
How do you treat your own woman back home
She's got to be herself
So she can free herself"

Dr. Dre's lyrics seem to be more demeaning and graphic, and I won't post excerpts here. I don't know his work enough to know if he's gotten less (or not at all) misogynistic over the years. If so and he's a changed man, I'm very happy. But the fact that there are no recent reports of him assaulting women doesn't absolve him from what he did and wrote before.

No, I don't think everyone who's ever been misogynist should be required to apologize. But you'd kind of think you'd want to make amends if you realized it was wrong and had enough celebrity that people would listen to you.

Apple presents itself as being very progressive (although I don't think they do enough, they speak out for gay rights, improving workers' rights, the fight against AIDS, etc.). Unless he has changed, Dr. Dre would seem an odd choice to fit into that culture and their corporate image.

But that's just it.... He is not "at odds" with Apple's culture. What you seem to be talking about us your perception of Apple. In reality you do not know all the private lives of Apple employees. As you may or may not know, Steve Jobs no angel himself.
 
Hahahah!! Yes...you are spot on. It's hilarious reading about it. Everyone has a panic attack followed by a tantrum.

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...and if their product was as horrible as some say it is then they wouldn't be known nor would they be successful.

I was with you until this part of it. They're as successful as they are for the same reason that Facebook is (was?) successful -- they became in/cool/popular with youths and marketed themselves accordingly.

It's not difficult to be better than standard headphones. Clearly, a lot of people use whatever headphones come with their device, as people have been doing for years. Buying almost any stand-alone headphone product will result in improved sound quality. It's a pretty low bar that Beats has hurdled in terms of sound quality, and the rest was all marketing.

But regarding your point:

1. Apple can hire whomever they want
2. Dr. Dre has a lot to offer in terms of his connections to the music industry
3. Dr. Dre's past doesn't mean that Apple hiring him makes Apple immoral
 
Acquiring Beats may well turn out to have been a great move; continued appeal to a new generation of buyers.

Too many companies have met their, if not demise, certainly 'downward slide' by becoming 'stale', and rigidly adhering to what they believed was the magic formula which got them there, without willing to adapt to, or even realizing, a gradual but unstoppable shift in their target demographic.

I just love how Apple considers a 49 year old rapper hip to the next generation.

(No h8 Dr. NWA fo life)
 
Hmm, just wondering, what makes you believe those would be crappy too?

Well depending on your point of view they're either made by Beats, a company known for making stylish headphones of mediocre sound reproduction capabilities, or they're made by Apple, the company whose headphones the original poster feels are crappy and wants to replace.

What makes you believe these headphones would be better than what either company makes on their own? :p
 
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i don't mind if everyone uses these... i like to be different.
 
I think I figured out how they came up with the name 'Beats'

Lmao@savage.How did this "savage"run a record label for the last 18years and make over 200 million dollars?

Dam I wish I was a savage.

Go run a drug cartel. They'd love someone like you. All you need to do is leave your morality at the door but it doesn't sound like it'd be an issue for someone like you.
 
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