Beeper Mini Says Jailbreak iPhone Solution is Final Effort

[Iwavvns]

I expected to read Beeper had officially died by now.

Stupidity knows no limits. That should have been obvious when beeper undertook this enterprise to begin with.

 

[bgillander]

The world belongs to the people. Including the cooperate entities in it. That means, if there is a way to secure people to communicate more safety (and inconvenient for the end user), it should be implemented. If companies starts to whine about (like Apple), "We the people" should force. Looks like the EU is the only legal entity to take this seriously.

It is not your responsibility to secure your phone to the most modern standards. You can expect people to understand encryption and over-all cyber security. Your expert bias is playing you a trick here.

“We the people”? Those persons you are arguing with are part of “the people”, including me. “We the people” do not normally argue that we want to make it “inconvenient for the end user“.

Adding optional security extensions to SMS is fine, but not everything needs to be secure, so orphaning older existing SMS devices by disabling basic SMS is probably the most wasteful idea I can think of. It is like arguing an armoured car is safer than a bike, so all bikes should be banned.

Your solution is to avoid the obvious and straight forward solution that will make Apple users more secure as well as Android users: Encrypt the s**t and move on with your life. Being against encryption in any way, shape, or form is very suspicious to me in 2023.

Being so concerned that absolutely everything be encrypted is very suspicious to me in 2023.

 

[5232152]

“We the people”? Those persons you are arguing with are part of “the people”, including me. “We the people” do not normally argue that we want to make it “inconvenient for the end user“.

Adding optional security extensions to SMS is fine, but not everything needs to be secure, so orphaning older existing SMS devices by disabling basic SMS is probably the most wasteful idea I can think of. It is like arguing an armoured car is safer than a bike, so all bikes should be banned.

It's called fallback. The internet has been doing it since SSL became a thing.

Being so concerned that absolutely everything be encrypted is very suspicious to me in 2023.

I can't figure out if you are being sarcastic, don't know about global spying or just know absolutely nothing about internet security. If you don't value your ability to live without spying eyes the western world must horrible for you.

 

[throAU]

Adding optional security extensions to SMS is fine, but not everything needs to be secure, so orphaning older existing SMS devices by disabling basic SMS is probably the most wasteful idea I can think of. It is like arguing an armoured car is safer than a bike, so all bikes should be banned.

Security comes in various forms.... encryption, identity validation, etc.

Rather than "Secure" (as in encrypted) i'd much rather SMS die in a fire entirely and have a protocol that allows me to KNOW (i.e., identity validation) who is on the other end, rather than the number possibly being spoofed, etc.


The sooner iMessage drops SMS compatibility the better for me, i'd rather turn SMS off entirely. People can either use iMessage or Signal to contact me.

 

[bgillander]

Security comes in various forms.... encryption, identity validation, etc.

Rather than "Secure" (as in encrypted) i'd much rather SMS die in a fire entirely and have a protocol that allows me to KNOW (i.e., identity validation) who is on the other end, rather than the number possibly being spoofed, etc.


The sooner iMessage drops SMS compatibility the better for me, i'd rather turn SMS off entirely. People can either use iMessage or Signal to contact me.

I am not preventing you from using iMessage or Signal, so go ahead. I have no desire to impose my worldview on you. If SMS itself goes away, that would be something different, but simply removing SMS from the iPhone while SMS still exists removes major functionality, as I would no longer be able to use it to contact my friends without Android or iPhones. It would be like removing the cell phone function because it is insecure.

 

[bgillander]

It's called fallback. The internet has been doing it since SSL became a thing.



I can't figure out if you are being sarcastic, don't know about global spying or just know absolutely nothing about internet security. If you don't value your ability to live without spying eyes the western world must horrible for you.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by your fallback comment. SMS already is the fallback in Messages.


I was being somewhat sarcastic, as your comment to Unregistered 4U seemed like an insult, and I think paranoia is far more suspicious than thinking SMS still has a use. I still have a use for SMS, even if you do not. The western world is indeed becoming horrible to me, as I watch people thinking they are freedom fighters try to impose their views on everyone else, apparently not aware that far too many freedom fighters ended up as dictators in the end.

 

[ozaz]

The sooner iMessage drops SMS compatibility the better for me, i'd rather turn SMS off entirely. People can either use iMessage or Signal to contact me.

I actually think that if Apple had done this from the start (i.e. if it had created iMessage as a separate app which was uncoupled from SMS) there would be not be much interest from Android users in iMessage being opened up, and probably no interest from regulators. People would just accept it as a service only for Apple device users, much like many other features and services which are only for Apple device users.

But by integrating it with SMS via the Messages app, Apple chose to give it a degree of cross platform interoperability, albeit one which is now pretty ancient. This creates a situation where there are now calls for more modern interoperability, as well as some Android users looking to take things into their own hands via hacky ways to connect to iMessage.

 

[5232152]

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by your fallback comment. SMS already is the fallback in Messages.


I was being somewhat sarcastic, as your comment to Unregistered 4U seemed like an insult, and I think paranoia is far more suspicious than thinking SMS still has a use. I still have a use for SMS, even if you do not. The western world is indeed becoming horrible to me, as I watch people thinking they are freedom fighters try to impose their views on everyone else, apparently not aware that far too many freedom fighters ended up as dictators in the end.

Think what you want. Live how you want. I appreciate you doing so. And I want to protect your right for doing exactly that. No government or other private institution should meddle with your life and that is what encryption help us do. It’s not about living off the grid, but sharing what you want to share rather than expecting companies and governments knowing everything about you as a standard.

Happy new year and may your 2024 be a good year for you, your family and your personal data ❤️

 

[bgillander]

Think what you want. Live how you want. I appreciate you doing so. And I want to protect your right for doing exactly that. No government or other private institution should meddle with your life and that is what encryption help us do. It’s not about living off the grid, but sharing what you want to share rather than expecting companies and governments knowing everything about you as a standard.

Happy new year and may your 2024 be a good year for you, your family and your personal data ❤️

Happy new year to you, as well. Here's hoping 2024 is good for you (and everyone)!