'Beheading' horror in London street

[BakedBeans]

Being banged up for the rest of your life drugged to the eyeballs in a psychiatric institution or in solitary confinement is a real easy ride, a bundle of laughs, a summer holiday...

so is having your head hacked of with an axe

it seems you need to look up the real meaning of "justice"

 

[Blue Velvet]

it seems you need to look up the real meaning of "justice"

Are you suggesting the perpetrator should be publicly beheaded?

It seems that you need to look up the real meaning of the law...


Edit: Furthermore, did you see the preceding post about the reasons why this allegedly happened? Somewhat muddies the water, doesn't it?

Not that I'm condoning what he did, it's just that things aren't as cut and dried as they appear. Coming on like Judge Dredd isn't going to solve anything...

I also don't need a lecture on justice from someone who has confessed to robbing a bookie... *chuckle*

 

[ACED]

Sadly, with the heads messlessly hacked off hostages in Iraq and the videos put on the NET, sounds like the world may suffer more 'copycat' slayings of this verocity.

I refused to watch them on the net, just couldn't...

 

[acedickson]

crazy things have been happening all over the place....

guy shoots judge and others in courtroom in Atlanta, GA
guy shoots members of his religious community while at a service, killing seven including himself in Wisconsin

this as well...

what is happening to the world??

crazy lunar cycles going on or what?

I'm still interested in finding out why the guy started killing people at the church gathereing. they still aren't sure and are searching his computers for clues.

 

[BakedBeans]

Are you suggesting the perpetrator should be publicly beheaded?
It seems that you need to look up the real meaning of the law...

no, i'm not being suggesting anything, and thanks but i already know it is illegal to hack someone's head of with a axe

Edit: Furthermore, did you see the preceding post about the reasons why this allegedly happened? Somewhat muddies the water, doesn't it?

no, it doesn't muddy the water - you might want to read up on law, muddy water isn't a valid reason for murder

Not that I'm condoning what he did

of course your, i dont think your a psycho

it's just that things aren't as cut and dried as they appear.

man chops mans head off infront of children

seems pretty cut and dried to me to be honest

Coming on like Judge Dredd isn't going to solve anything

when did i say anything about "coming on like judge dredd"? my point is your belittling what happened by insinuating being looked up and drugged is ample punishment for this cold and controlled murder, dont forget its not just one life he has ruined, its the victim and all the victims family and probably his own family also

I also don't need a lecture on justice from someone who has confessed to robbing a bookie... *chuckle*

i hope your not serious? lol actually i hope you are - your obviously quick on the button

do you actually think i robbed a bookies lol, and i i actually had do you think i would put it on a forum lol.

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at the end of the day we both know this man has committed a sin and an atrocity - in my opinion taking his toys away and pumping him with drugs so he doesn't have to think about it doest sound like too much of a hard ride to me

 

[mpw]

...at the end of the day we both know this man has committed a sin and an atrocity - in my opinion taking his toys away and pumping him with drugs so he doesn't have to think about it doest sound like too much of a hard ride to me...

If pleads insanity he could out again in nine years ready to kill again as has been proved this week in the UK news.

 

[Lacero]

Could have been a favor if you look at it in a positive light. No more bills to pay. No more having to go to work at a job you detest. Quick and clean.

 

[Chappers]

crazy things have been happening all over the place....

guy shoots judge and others in courtroom in Atlanta, GA
guy shoots members of his religious community while at a service, killing seven including himself in Wisconsin

this as well...

what is happening to the world??

crazy lunar cycles going on or what?

Nothing has changed - but we live in an instant news world - it just seems worse.

 

[BillHarrison]

Nothing has changed - but we live in an instant news world - it just seems worse.

Well, there is no excuse for what happened, we have a legal system for a reason. This man should be executed, end of story. He had options. He chose the wrong one, and from the sounds of it, knew exactly what he was doing.

We don't need people like this on our planet, irregardless of his "previous" history. Trust me bud, not everyone has had an easy life... but we learn to deal with it, and we don't run around hacking up people that harmed us at an earlier time.

 

[caveman_uk]

Are you suggesting the perpetrator should be publicly beheaded?

I just read in the metro that in Iran yesterday a guy who raped and murdered a load of children before burying their bodies in shallow graves was given 100 lashes then publicly hung from a crane (apparently a quite nasty way to go as the neck isn't broken and you asphyxiate) after the mother of one of his victims put the noose around his neck. Strangely enough this didn't seem unreasonable to me.

I'm becoming more judgemental as I get older...

 

[Blue Velvet]

I just read in the metro that in Iran yesterday a guy who raped and murdered a load of children before burying their bodies in shallow graves was given 100 lashes then publicly hung from a crane (apparently a quite nasty way to go as the neck isn't broken and you asphyxiate) after the mother of one of his victims put the noose around his neck. Strangely enough this didn't seem unreasonable to me.

I'm becoming more judgemental as I get older...

An eye for an eye and we'll all go blind... Iran, that well-known beacon of human rights.

 

[BillHarrison]

An eye for an eye and we'll all go blind... Iran, that well-known beacon of human rights.

Actually, no, I have yet to take someones eye. Or kill a fellow being. I do believe most of us make it through life without that.

Yes, when you commit a crime like this, you need to be held accountable. This person is a detriment to society. End of story. Why put him up for the next 30 years?

There are those that simply cannot function in a society. It's a fact of life. When we are dealing with 6 odd billion people, no doubt a few are going to be completely whacked. What can you do? I find it reassuring that MORE of this does not go on than already does. And I believe there are several reasons for this, one, most people know right from wrong. 2nd, many people do not want to deal with the repercussions of doing something like this.

I mean, we as a species are still babes in the woods.... and we have a long way to go before we mature to the point of realizing what our place in the universe really is. But even then, there will always be those that simply have the inability to control themselves, and this is the result.

 

[Lacero]

I'm becoming more judgemental as I get older...

It's the opposite for me. As I get older and become wiser, I start to see events in more than my own perspective. Seeing things as they are and not trying too hard to interpret the meaning. Because some things don't. Becoming non-judgement really is expanding and growing as a person.

 

[BakedBeans]

An eye for an eye and we'll all go blind... Iran, that well-known beacon of human rights.

can i ask a serious question?
although i agree Iran isn't exactly the country we should learn from, what do you (in you personal opinion) think would have been justified if not public hanging and execution?

 

[mpw]

can i ask a serious question?
although i agree Iran isn't exactly the country we should learn from, what do you (in you personal opinion) think would have been justified if not public hanging and execution?

If anyone answers this, and please do, please state what assumptions about the crime you've made. As far as I'm aware no motive is known and that will obviously have a bearing of any action I may want taken. It's why we have courts and laws.

 

[BakedBeans]

If anyone answers this, and please do, please state what assumptions about the crime you've made. As far as I'm aware no motive is known and that will obviously have a bearing of any action I may want taken. It's why we have courts and laws.

i was referring to the child rapist that was hung in Iran, sorry for the confusion

 

[caveman_uk]

An eye for an eye and we'll all go blind... Iran, that well-known beacon of human rights.

Maybe Iran isn't a country you'd necessarily choose to base your criminal justice system on but given the choice between the punishment given there and what the same individual would get here, the Iranian punishment seems to fit the crime rather better in this instance.

We seem to have too much concern about the human rights of criminals and not enough about the rights of the victims.

 

[tom.96]

*adds this to the list of places i dont want to go* i dont think i want to go there now ... dont want to be murdered -_-

I was in Camden town that day, not faraway (a few tube stops) from where it happened. Pretty scary stuff. When I got to Waterloo station to go home (I don't live far away) the Evening Standard (London's main evening newspaper) had it all over the headlines. People were really shocked.

I should say that London is a great place, it is really good for a day out shopping. The area of the murder is supposed to be a fairly good part of London, I believe, although I have never been there (I think it is mainly residential.) Please don't think that England is full of axe murderers, its a nice place! We just drink tea and chat about the weather all the time, honest!

 

[garybUK]

Well in ye olde England we used to Hang people for stealing sheep.... are we better than Iranians that are doing this today? no, societies deal with things differently as we have progressed its not become acceptable for capital punishment so we don't do it (although i do beleive that hanging can still take place for High treason at time of war?)

We used to torture 'beleived witches' and criminals, as stated in a previous post, using the hand draw and quarter method. Nice!

How about that guy who was cought by police who killed two men and ate their brains?!?!?!?!?!?! wow thats radio rental (mental)

 

[kettle]

Please don't think that England is full of axe murderers, its a nice place! We just drink tea and chat about the weather all the time, honest!

yesh, I whisper sweet nothings about the weather just before I hack down my victims too. Remember, a smile costs nothing

 

[kettle]

Well in ye olde England we used to Hang people for stealing sheep.... are we better than Iranians that are doing this today? no, societies deal with things differently as we have progressed its not become acceptable for capital punishment so we don't do it (although i do beleive that hanging can still take place for High treason at time of war?)

Sooner or later society won't be able to keep buying bigger locks to protect their person and possessions. I think we will see a turn very soon as people get tired of the price of policing crime and the mafia style insurance and bigger lock industry.

We used to torture 'beleived witches' and criminals, as stated in a previous post, using the hand draw and quarter method. Nice!

This is what the latest terrorism bill is all about, the government being allowed to hold "witches" prisoner in their own homes until proven innocent.

same crap, different century

 

[~Shard~]

This is just horrible. What brings people to carry out such acts?

 

[caveman_uk]

How about that guy who was cought by police who killed two men and ate their brains?!?!?!?!?!?! wow thats radio rental (mental)

He'd previously been convicted of murdering a woman by beating her to death with a clawhammer claiming she wanted him to kill and rape her. Of course if we'd strung him up the first time....

 

[mpw]

He'd previously been convicted of murdering a woman by beating her to death with a clawhammer claiming she wanted him to kill and rape her. Of course if we'd strung him up the first time....

He got NINE years for the first murder we know about then kills a couple more people soon after release. It would seem he made a habit of killing people and this makes me wonder if there are more victims we don't know about.



I know this is quite specific but I think many will find parallels with whatever society they live in; last year the local authority decided they could no longer afford to supply free milk to primary school children, I think the figure was something like £150,000 per year. The same authority spent £5m on a new leisure block to the local prison with pool tables, arcade machines and get this I think there are four separate TV rooms so there’s a choice of program on the 42” plasma screens.

Priorities anyone?

 

[tom.96]

He'd previously been convicted of murdering a woman by beating her to death with a clawhammer claiming she wanted him to kill and rape her. Of course if we'd strung him up the first time....

It seemed to be a failure of the mental health care system. The man was obviously seriously ill and should not have been allowed in to society in his state. I don't know much about mental illness or the treatment of them so I can't really comment though... but people in a normal frame of mind don't kill others!

There are some crazy people in London though... I go to Soho a lot because there a lot of very very good record shops (I collect vinyl LPs) there in Berwick Street. Quite often there are some people threatening others.

I think people should just relax. Chill out. Have a cup of tea. Go to a pub in London and have some ale. Read a book. Listen to music. Go and sunbathe. And be nice to everyone.