'Beheading' horror in London street

[Chappers]

I think people should just relax. Chill out. Have a cup of tea. Go to a pub in London and have some ale. Read a book. Listen to music. Go and sunbathe. And be nice to everyone.

Was that a smiley acid tab at the end there?

 

[Anonymous Freak]

Another woman passing in a car stopped and pleaded with the man to stop his attack.

Now, I know England is supposed to be a very polite and innocent country (It's hard to say that without laughing,) but if you saw this going on, would you stop and say "I say, fellow; could you stop chopping this man to bits?" What kind of person stops to ASK the guy to stop? You either attempt to stop the assault, or you run away! (Me? I would have hit him with the car.)

 

[BornAgainMac]

Now, I know England is supposed to be a very polite and innocent country (It's hard to say that without laughing,) but if you saw this going on, would you stop and say "I say, fellow; could you stop chopping this man to bits?" What kind of person stops to ASK the guy to stop? You either attempt to stop the assault, or you run away! (Me? I would have hit him with the car.)

Exactly. Well said.

 

[tom.96]

Now, I know England is supposed to be a very polite and innocent country

It is? Have you been to England? Made me laugh when I read that, its anything but polite and innocent! Maybe some little towns and villages in the middle of nowhere are, big cities are not.

"I say, fellow; could you stop chopping this man to bits?"

I would just love to see someone say this in that situation, it would be so funny. I doubt that anyone would do it though. With the sense of british reserve I'm sure some people would proably just walk on right past, others would freak out. Most people, rightly or wrongly just don't get involved if someone is in trouble. people are concerned about themselves, not others. I was attacked in Soho last year, loads of people saw it, no one helped. Man who did it just walked off unchallenged.

Its dog eat dog I tell ya

 

[BrianKonarsMac]

*adds this to the list of places i dont want to go* i dont think i want to go there now ... dont want to be murdered -_-

ya cuz you know...there's a guy that sits on the corner and murder's anyone who comes into the area with an axe...thanks for the laugh.

curious to know what was so complicated it required beheading him to resolve.

 

[BrianKonarsMac]

It is? Have you been to England? Made me laugh when I read that, its anything but polite and innocent! Maybe some little towns and villages in the middle of nowhere are, big cities are not.



I would just love to see someone say this in that situation, it would be so funny. I doubt that anyone would do it though. With the sense of british reserve I'm sure some people would proably just walk on right past, others would freak out. Most people, rightly or wrongly just don't get involved if someone is in trouble. people are concerned about themselves, not others. I was attacked in Soho last year, loads of people saw it, no one helped. Man who did it just walked off unchallenged.

Its dog eat dog I tell ya

i think you missed the sarcasm.

it is true, the majority of europeans are anything but nice and friendly, but the fact that 2 women, and a group of construction workers DID NOTHING other than ASK the man to stop, makes me pity your country. like the other guy said, i'd have driven over him, backed up, and engaged the parking brake with my front tire on his chest.

 

[Applespider]

I'm sorry but if there's a guy with an axe, as a woman I'm not going anywhere near him. I don't want to lose an arm for a guy's who's already dead. I'd call the police but I'm not going near him. In a car, perhaps, but equally, with the ridiculous system over here where the axe murderer could have sued me for assault, I may still have had second thoughts.

On the other hand, it's not entirely bad. When I was mugged last year around midnight in a residential street, 4 guys ran out of 4 different houses when I screamed. They ran out in their underpants and barefoot to check everything was OK. One had grabbed his car keys and drove after the guy. His wife did wonder what he planned to do if he'd caught the perp! But it did restore my faith in my neighbours.

 

[Mord]

I was attacked in Soho last year, loads of people saw it, no one helped. Man who did it just walked off unchallenged.

Its dog eat dog I tell ya

that upsets me i have helped people getting muged in public a fair few times where no one elce trys to help even when there is 5-6 people right near

 

[thepolishpen]

Well, people used to get drawn and quartered only a few hundred years earlier. I'd expect that to suck more.

To those who think these things only happen in the US:

Well just b/c Michael Moore says the US is way more violent than other countries doesn't make it true. Just do a quicke search on sword attacks in Germany, not to mention the many home-castrations. One German man beheaded his sister-in-law and was caught walking down the street with it. His reason: She wouldn't stop nagging him.
I came across some interesting articles on environmental mercury and lead levels. They were drawing strong yet inconclusive evidence that these elements are causing violence in many.
Lots of stuff like that in Europe and Africa.

 

[Mord]

To those who think these things only happen in the US:

Well just b/c Michael Moore says the US is way more violent than other countries doesn't make it true. Just do a quicke search on sword attacks in Germany, not to mention the many home-castrations. One German man beheaded his sister-in-law and was caught walking down the street with it. His reason: She wouldn't stop nagging him.
I came across some interesting articles on environmental mercury and lead levels. They were drawing strong yet inconclusive evidence that these elements are causing violence in many.
Lots of stuff like that in Europe and Africa.

the US of A is more violent, it's statistical fact.

just because **** happens here dosent mean more **** dosent happen elsewhere, this is a one off thing.

 

[CaptainCaveMann]

My mother and I were talking about this and the victim was in his 60's and had sexually abused the purpetrator since he was a child. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4352009.stm)

Doesn't mention the abuse in that article but she works at one of the branches of a restaurant this guy works at.

Certainly puts a VERY different spin on it. I highly doubted somebody would randomly attack with such directed brutality.

I agree.

 

[CaptainCaveMann]

Actually, no, I have yet to take someones eye. Or kill a fellow being. I do believe most of us make it through life without that.

Yes, when you commit a crime like this, you need to be held accountable. This person is a detriment to society. End of story. Why put him up for the next 30 years?

There are those that simply cannot function in a society. It's a fact of life. When we are dealing with 6 odd billion people, no doubt a few are going to be completely whacked. What can you do? I find it reassuring that MORE of this does not go on than already does. And I believe there are several reasons for this, one, most people know right from wrong. 2nd, many people do not want to deal with the repercussions of doing something like this.

I mean, we as a species are still babes in the woods.... and we have a long way to go before we mature to the point of realizing what our place in the universe really is. But even then, there will always be those that simply have the inability to control themselves, and this is the result.

" A few are going to be completely whacked"? I think its a little more complicated than that. Human beings are emotional. What your opinion of being whacked is; Is completely subjective to your upbringing, your frame of mind, your experiences in life. You cannot understand what this man was feeling because your not him. Or are you? Now hear me out. You are as human as he is. You are capeable of feeling the things he has if you had been through what he has. Dont be so quick to judge when you havnt walked in his shoes. My point is this man lost control. But i think everyone has their breaking point but hopefully our ration'al would step in. Most do. Some do not. The point is a century ago if this would have happened for the same reasons nobody would think the lesser of him. "Justice needs to be served"? Well it seems to me that if that guy did molest him his entire life, then indeed justice was served.

 

[daveL]

Well it seems to me that if that guy did molest him his entire life, then indeed justice was served.

I agree with you in principal, but I can't but wonder why this person didn't take some action (more benign, hopefully) long before it came to this. This was a long term, on-going deal. Why didn't he, one day, say "Hey, this isn't right; you make me feel like ***! Get out of my life!". I know this sounds simplistic, but if you can get your head around taking an ax to someone, because of the emotional pain that person has put you through, isn't there some opportunity to fix it before that, like walk away?

 

[CaptainCaveMann]

I agree with you in principal, but I can't but wonder why this person didn't take some action (more benign, hopefully) long before it came to this. This was a long term, on-going deal. Why didn't he, one day, say "Hey, this isn't right; you make me feel like ***! Get out of my life!". I know this sounds simplistic, but if you can get your head around taking an ax to someone, because of the emotional pain that person has put you through, isn't there some opportunity to fix it before that, like walk away?

I totally agree. But i have no clue the circumstances of his situation.

 

[Lacero]

Now that we know, it's ok then.

 

[CaptainCaveMann]

Now that we know, it's ok then.

No. Its not ok. But how about contributing to the thread?

 

[thepolishpen]

Now that we know, it's ok then.

To go back to the drawing & quartering reference this should be a good deterent: molest a kid and have your head publicly hacked off -- the public square is replaced by an upscale neighborhood, or perhaps a department store that never has sales.
If this is really the case--that he molested--justice failed a long time ago and the beheading was just overdue, mutated justice. Let's say anger coming out sideways...holding an axe.
Sure the guy should have dealt with it another way--if we're talking about him having his dry cleaning ruined or lost--but he was allegedly molested. That nullifies any criticism for his method of resolution. As a matter of fact, when I first read the story I thought this old guy must have done something to a child that this man knew. Grisly, yes. Easily condemned. No. I see this act as the external representation of what this man was suffering internally.
People act in strange ways when their suffering goes ignored.

 

[thepolishpen]

the US of A is more violent, it's statistical fact.

just because **** happens here dosent mean more **** dosent happen elsewhere, this is a one off thing.

No it isn't. Geographically reconciled it is no more violent than any other place. In fact, violent crime is down 11%.
-----Oh, well, the US was founded on bloodshed and murder, right? Maybe the hacker had recently taken holiday in the States.

 

[mcadam]

Maniacs all over... 4 days ago they found 2 legs and an arm leaned against a garbage container on a street in central Copenhagen... people had thought they were from a mannequin, so no one reacted for several hours.

Yesterday they found the rest of the body, in three pieces, at a nearby spot... they still don't know who he is so they've published a pic of his head. All very bizarre and not what we're used to in our little easy-going kingdom.

Here's an article (in Danish) about the case... be warned if you click the link where it says "Hjælp politiet" (help the police) - you'll get a pop-up with his face (guess I can be sure you'll click it now)...

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[nimbus]

Man, I bet Michael Jackson is shaking in his boots. Just kidding.