Yup. A simple Google of "MBP Thermal Throttling" or "MBP Fan Noise"... it's been a thing. And the M1 solved it.
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Benchmarks Confirm Intel's Latest Core i9 Chip Outperforms Apple's M1 Max With Several Caveats
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If you think that a moving to 5nm will magically reduce power consumption by a factor of 3, you don’t have a lot of degrees in semiconductor physics
As a portable gaming machine it is currently the best on the market. Well, not released yet, but anyway one of the best.
Macbook are not for games just because there are no games, almost. So yeah, when gaming is concerned, why to talk about MacBooks at all? They are irrelevant in that space. Also, most of the benchmarks here are irrelevant. I don't think that geekbench score is going to help with Warzone, right?
but
As a laptop, meh.
I wish the PCWorld article gave us the idle consumption of this laptop. Kind of important if you measure the power at the wall. The laptop has a 17" screen, a high-end Nvidia GPU in addition to the integrated Intel GPU, two SSDs, DDR5-4800 RAM etc. Very different hardware than a Macbook Pro.
Because of licensing with ARM. You can use ARMv8 isa in M1, but you may not change it that it is not fully compatible with other ARMv8. Imagine situation that binary compiled with clang would run only on Apple M1 chips. But not on other ARMv8 chips. That would be messy. ARM disallows that. And yes, it is not good for open source at all. and NEON is not good and it is old. And armv9 will fix it. Finally.
Realistically, ARMv8 was never designed to run on big computers. It is designed for mobile (read phones/tablets). What Apple did with it, is miracle. Or other way around, Intel really did bad job during last 5 years.
I do have the 12900k, the desktop chip. And it's fricking hot as hell and uses a ton of power. I can't run cinebench r23 without thermal throttling. I have to downvolt the chip to avoid throttling. And i'm water cooled with a 360 radiator too. But it is damn fast! That's just the price of admission.
Benchmark results have started to surface for MSI's new GE76 Raider, one of the first laptops to be powered by Intel's new 12th-generation Core i9 processor.
Intel previously said that its new high-end Core i9 processor is faster than Apple's M1 Max chip in the 16-inch MacBook Pro and, as noted by Macworld, early Geekbench 5 results do appear to confirm this claim, but there are several caveats as usual.
Geekbench 5 results show that the GE76 Raider with the Core i9-12900HK processor has an average multi-core score of 12,707, while the 16-inch MacBook Pro with the M1 Max chip has an average multi-core score of 12,244. This means the Core i9 processor is around 4% faster than the M1 Max chip in this particular comparison.
One of the biggest caveats is power efficiency. PCWorld measured the new GE76 Raider's power draw from the wall while running a CPU-only Cinebench R23 benchmark and found the Core i9 was consistently in the 100-watts range, and even briefly spiked to 140 watts. By comparison, when running the same Cinebench R23 benchmark on the 16-inch MacBook Pro, AnandTech found the M1 Max chip's power draw from the wall to be around 40 watts.
With the Core i9 consuming much more power, battery life takes a considerable hit, with PCWorld finding the new GE76 Raider achieved nearly six hours of offline video playback. Apple advertises the latest 16-inch MacBook Pro as getting up to 21 hours of battery life for offline video playback. Even with potential differences in display brightness and other factors, the 16-inch MacBook Pro clearly runs longer on battery.
Design is also a factor, with the GE76 Raider being a 17-inch gaming laptop that is just over an inch thick and weighs nearly 6.5 pounds. By comparison, the new 16-inch MacBook Pro is 0.66 inches thick and weighs 4.8 pounds.
All in all, it appears that Intel's claim that its new Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max chip holds up, but Apple likely has no regrets with switching to its own power-efficient chips for thin-and-light notebooks like the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro. And with the M2 chip expected later this year, Apple is only just getting started.
Article Link: Benchmarks Confirm Intel's Latest Core i9 Chip Outperforms Apple's M1 Max With Several Caveats
Pro/Max integrated graphics is a midget compared to Nvidia and even AMD dGPUs. Nvidia Blender performance is almost 3x faster at about 1/3 of the cost.
Different niche markets.
Intel fastest but higher power consumption.
AMD nearly as fast with lower power consumption.
Apple faster and lower power consumption but lacking software availability and OS is unstable with memory leaks and kernel panics.
Intel fastest but higher power consumption.
AMD nearly as fast with lower power consumption.
Apple faster and lower power consumption but lacking software availability and OS is unstable with memory leaks and kernel panics.
As a CEO I have a feeling apple will be putting a LOT of effort into the new chips.
The iPhone is possibly going (in 2 years) to be overtaken by the piPhone (Musks satellite phone w global coverage). I would certainly swap to get nationwide coverage.
But I think Apple is now leading on chip design - and that's where Tim may be headed for future profits.
Maybe a new OS which is more open, along with new chips 10x the M1 Max, and they could take (back) the desktop market.
The iPhone is possibly going (in 2 years) to be overtaken by the piPhone (Musks satellite phone w global coverage). I would certainly swap to get nationwide coverage.
But I think Apple is now leading on chip design - and that's where Tim may be headed for future profits.
Maybe a new OS which is more open, along with new chips 10x the M1 Max, and they could take (back) the desktop market.
For the first time in my life as a mac owner for many years, I really don't give a s***.
My 14" is just badass.
My 14" is just badass.
That's a misleading claim until Blender Metal comes out. Blender 3.1 using Metal is in alpha but the early benchmarks are already astonishing.
If you use Blender (non-alpha) today you use ONLY CPU, no GPU. So comparison with nV is meaningless.
If you use 3.1 alpha (as of around a month ago) you get 3..4x as fast (so there goes that nV Blender performance 3x you stated above).
Price, well, that's an uninteresting argument iMHO, but if you want to fight about that, whatever.
3.1 release should be out around March. One should expect at least some slight ongoing improvement in the Metal performance over these next two months.
Here's something of a snapshot of banchmarks as of December:
Benchmarking M1 Pro with Blender 3.1a Cycles with Metal Backend
I've spent some time to see how much speed can be gained in using Metal-enabled rendering in blender 3.1a compared to blender 3.0 on M1 Pro Macbook
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(Remember, this is early work! Obsessing over any particular result that only goes 1.06x or 2x faster or whatever mainly tells you that no-one has yet got round to porting many specific particular code paths to Metal. Large ports like this are an ongoing task for some time...)
Intel Alder Lake-H Core i9-12900HK Review: MSI's Raider GE76 Goes Hybrid
Epic fail for Intel. They can't even compete at 30W.
Supposedly ARM licensees are not permitted to publicly fork the ISA by adding non-standard extensions. Which could explain why AMX isn't open.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/3d-rendering-on-apple-silicon-cpu-gpu.2269416/post-30676733
16.39s - 3060 70W mobile (OptiX Blender 3.0)
42.79s - M1 Max 32GPU (Metal supported Blender 3.1 alpha)
48s - M1 Max 24GPU (Metal Blender 3.1 alpha + patch)
1:18.34m - M1 Pro 16GPU (Metal Blender 3.1 alpha + patch)
2.04m - Mac Mini M1 (Metal Blender 3.1 alpha + patch)
2:48.03m - MBA M1 (Metal supported Blender 3.1 alpha)
5:51.06m - MBA M1 (CPU Blender 3.0)
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You don't have to be a CEO to know that Apple is going to put a lot of effort into new chips. They said that when they introduced the M1. Said that even before the M1. Lol
Also piPhone? Lol - please. Musk can't even make the cars he promises. Good luck with a phone.
Yep. Those are the ones that PC owners, gamers and enthusiasts are going to buy.
All this does is make Apple look that much more brilliant in its chip design. I’ve had the M1 Max 16” since day 1 and it blows me away daily.
Yes.
Find me a PC enthusiast that would want top of the line components that cares about energy usage.
For everyone else, there's the U & P series which are mainstream and far more efficient.