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Benchmarks Confirm Intel's Latest Core i9 Chip Outperforms Apple's M1 Max With Several Caveats
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Cool! not only can I play phone games on my $3k computer, I can now also play them on my $1k TV.
nobody plays games on a battery. If one has a mac that actually can play more than phone games, this is known.
Intel can’t compete…
Macs rule!
I play Microsoft Flight Sim on my Apple hardware and the power is breathtaking.
Macs rule!
I play Microsoft Flight Sim on my Apple hardware and the power is breathtaking.
I imagine this is more about preventing an exodus to Macs.
I'm actually not sure how important top end speeds OR power efficiency is to most consumers. I suspect that most laptop users want a portable desktop, and don't care if it is plugged in most of the time. But maybe that is how I use mine. It spends most days attached to a dock, with an extra screen, etc. It goes in a bag about 1 day/week, and it is usually plugged in at the other end. I'm more concerned about being able to run certain programs well (or at all). I appreciate a lot of the advancements we are seeing, but I'd need a big disparity in performance before changing OS's.
I think Window's machines benefit from power parity.
Apple is just taking advantage of the sittuation caused by crypto miners! gotcha!Cool! not only can I play phone games on my $3k computer, I can now also play them on my $1k TV.
There actually is a lot to brag about.
Macbook Pro 16' M1 Max has 99Wh battery. If you put CPU and GPU to the full tilt it will cost you about 92W. If you do napkin math you get somewhere to 1h 10minutes. During that time your Macbook will work on battery and will deliver same performance as with power cord. Well, to be accurate, if battery is less than 10% it will slow down, switch to low power mode.
There is no laptop on the market that can do the same without loosing a lot of performance. Intel 12900HK CPU is consuming 115W with max turbo + nvidia 3090ti GPU is at 150W. There is no chance in hell this can run on battery with performance that is advertised. If they allowed it to run at full speed, battery would overheat and burn.
So for gaming it is good idea to use ....wait for it...windows PC or console...because there are almost no games for macOS anyway. And those that are available are most of the time poor ports from windows, or you have to use virtualisation or crossover, well it is a mess.
I don’t see there being any kind of exodus. Windows have certain markets locked in. The biggest being cheap disposable laptops. You see them all day at Walmart for $250. That’s for people that just want to browse the web and they don’t care how crappy the screen looks or how long the battery lasts. They just want the cheapest thing possible.
Then you have people that use it like you as a desktop. I never quite understood why companies and business people prefer a laptop even if it never leaves the desk. I guess it’s easier for the IT people to move them if service or replacement is needed. This is a market that Apple Silicon doesn’t have as much of an advantage. In theory using less power means it doesn’t throttle as much but that can be overcame with massive cooling.
The part where Apple is going to take over is the people that need a mobile workspace. There are professionals that don’t stay at a desk but need their laptop with them to do stuff everywhere. Those people have the money because it’s for business and they need the best product to get the job done. Their time is worth significantly more than saving a few thousand dollars on a computer.
I think if Apple plays their cards right they could introduce a modern looking MacBook Air that will take some of the higher end consumer market as well. Some casual consumers users don’t want to sit at the desk when they use their computer. This is one reason laptops are so popular. You could sit down at the couch with it plugged in but that’s just annoying because if you want to move then you have to unplug and find a new outlet. Of course people buying cheap laptops from Walmart will just deal with it because they don’t want to spend money but others will pay for the convenience. If Apple introduced a modern version of the MacBook Air that was around $1200 I would definitely buy it.
That’s the thing a lot of people don’t know about when it comes to Windows laptops. When they’re on battery many have to throttle down significantly to be able to run off that battery. I mean to be fair you can’t expect a 3080 that isn’t cut down to run off battery alongside a CPU like a i9. It’s just too much power draw and something has to give.
Well, to be fair:
Intel is probably thinking, this is the pandemic model of the chip since because of COVID, almost no one is going anywhere and most of us are probably near a wall outlet. So.... who needs a laptop.
LOL.
That's a good point!!
It is indeed that unit (performance/energy) not just performance.
If only they could make a laptop fan that sounds as cool as a V8, they'd be onto a winner.
My Intel MBP used 30W just to animate clouds floating by mountains on a "we logged you out" web page.
(Was running on portable solar, hypersensitive to power draw.)
$3K+ M1 Max is almost 3x slower for GPU compute applications than a $1300 laptop with mobile 70W 3060. A 3090ti would put the M1 Max back to the dinosaur age.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/3d-rendering-on-apple-silicon-cpu-gpu.2269416/post-30676733
16.39s - 3060 70W mobile (OptiX Blender 3.0)
42.79s - M1 Max 32GPU (Metal supported Blender 3.1 alpha)
That is why the Metal supported version is in alpha. If it was feature complete or fully optimized, it would NOT be in alpha.
Just curious, but where is that 50% price difference coming from? Apple doesn’t sell processors to the public so what actual machine are comparing to and why would you assume this cost breakdown when the entire of the computer is on one companies ledger where just the processor is from Intel?
CPU to Metal iGPU optimization has already been accomplished. It cut the render time on MBA M1 in half. It's alpha status because they need to make it more stable like the PC counterpart.
Yes stability and also performance enhancements. Just because a version is in alpha does not mean they cannot add performance enhancements.
I have used many applications in Alpha and even beta that had some performance issues and guess what, they were fixed when the full version is out there.
Also, you need to look at how software development works. Alpha is typically reserved for builds with incomplete or partially complete features. Again, it can be performance is on 100% complete yet which is part of the partially complete stage. Beta is a LITTLE BIT better of a test, as more changes can be made during beta phase.
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