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As a fellow traveler on the road to Armotopia, I'm sure you're by now well aware OldCorpse, that there is a paucity of information on articulating arms for iMacs on the intertubes. There is very little detailed discussion about monitor arms of any kind and certainly no ready-made "Buyer's Guide To The Top Arms Of The New Millennium".

I can appreciate that, and further, I would not expect instant expertise from random mac buyers. However, is it too much to ask people whose job it is to do nothing but sell arms for TVs, monitors, displays, computers etc., to at least respond to a bloody email??? I have sent the same email to many, many distributors - the ones who carry truckloads of different arms from different manufacturers (such as f.ex. mountsdirect.com), and have not received ONE frakking response. Here's the email I sent [my name redacted]:

"To Whom It May Concern,

I looked through your product list, but was unable to find what I need. Perhaps I missed it. If so, could you please point me at the right product?

I'm looking for an articulated arm for the new 27" iMac computer. I am looking for **all** the following characteristcs:

1)Can be wall mounted
2)Vesa compliant 100x100
3)Weight capacity of min 33lb
4)Can retract flat against the wall - no more than 5" including the mount (minus computer)
5)When fully extended from the wall it reaches a minimum of 44"
6)It can swivel close to 180 degrees
7)Vertical travel of at least 25"
9)Can pan the face 180 degrees
10)Can tilt at least 10 degrees
11)All operations (swivel, pan, tilt etc.) can be done by simple hand movement - i.e. we are not talking about fixing any given position with tools.

I can find products on your site that fulfill some, but not **all** of the 11 specs. Do you carry any product that fulfills **all** 11 specs?

Thank you for your assistance.

Sincerely,

[OldCorpse]

P.S. Perhaps it can be helpful for you to know that such a product exists, but for one flaw - the tilting mechanism must be positioned with tools (the computer is too heavy), thus failing point (11). Here is a link to the product:

http://www.ergomart.com/HD_LCD_monitor_arms/lcd_monitor_arm_SAA4229details.htm"


Now, I'd think that professional courtesy would lead CR reps or sales reps to at least send back a pro-forma response indicating that "sorry, we don't have such an arm, but you may try XXXX". If they don't have one to sell, they lose nothing by pointing me to someone who can. I am after all a potential customer, if not for this product than for some other one they may carry - being at least courteous enough to respond, and actually be helpful would pre-dispose me to look favorably upon them in my future purchasing plans - and recommendations I may make to others who may look for such products.

Am I asking for too much?

Anyhow, my search continues - with little help from the "pros" in the field.
 
I've found this:

http://www.sanus.com/us/en/products/visionmount/desk-mount/MD115

Specs say 35lb tops so it should work perfectly. And it looks good. Oh the price is not half bad too. Innovative 7500 looks awesome but it's bloody 450usd! Sanus goes for 120 ;-)

I'm probably getting it!

Ergotron MX looks interesting too, but seems to have small reach. And what I want is to push my iMac aside when I'm not working on it and need space on my desk!
 
If you search around you can find the Innovative 7500 for around $100.

Looking at the Sanus it doesn't look like you can tilt the display. I'm also not seeing any height adjustment, maybe I'm missing something.
 
Read my earlier post in this thread.. amazon has the 7500-1500 for $99. It is awesome. :)
 
I've found this:

http://www.sanus.com/us/en/products/visionmount/desk-mount/MD115

Specs say 35lb tops so it should work perfectly. And it looks good. Oh the price is not half bad too. Innovative 7500 looks awesome but it's bloody 450usd! Sanus goes for 120 ;-)
Read my earlier post in this thread.. amazon has the 7500-1500 for $99. It is awesome. :)
Anyone new to this thread - - take note of negatv1's post!

For anyone who wants a heavy duty advanced mobility radial articulated arm with a decent range that can easily support the new 27" iMac, the Innovative 7500-1500 is a solid choice.

At the price of $99US that negatv1 discovered - - it's a lock.

Blast off into the hemispherical world of arm space just waiting to be discovered above your work surface - - with the glorious 27" iMac as your viewscreen!

Here's the very convincing sales video of the 7500.

Of course, to get connected you'll need to add Apple's VESA adapter @ $25US and shipping, but 7500's are head and shoulders above the other simple 2D arms.

The price of $450US that L0s7man quoted above is the (needlessly) intimidating MSRP. Through your local dealer the price should end up to be about half that with no trouble. But then negatv1 comes along and blows that price out of the water!

I'm envisioning this is a deal that future readers of this thread will look back on and say, "I wish I coulda gotten in on that!"



Plus, here are a couple of provisos & addenda to consider:

- the armazon.com deal is only available to US addresses
- there is a world beyond the 29" reach of the 7500 - and thus there are some noble few amongst us on a quest to find the fabled Long Arm of Destiny - many have sought, none have yet found...
- arm space
- even if you are already bearing arms or eternally pursuing a vision of perfection, the negatv1's $99 deal is almost too fantastic to pass up!
- revolutionary arm-y
- watch the video again, check out negatv1's pics of his new 27" iMac on a 7500, and then close your eyes and picture that set-up replacing the restricted tilt and non-existent motion of Apple's built-in stand in your workspace




(Word storage area for future puns: armistice, armada, armageddon, armor, armadillo, armory... take one, leave one)
 
bobob, any update on what the engineers at Innovative have to say? Are the pivot heads different on the 7500 and bigger arm? If yes, can one Frankenstein the pivot head from the 7500 to the bigger arm? I assume they have some kind of solution... they must know there will be quite a few 27" owners out there who need the reach of the bigger arm...
 
Whoa... $99 bucks is like free ;-) Here, across the Big Pond a sandwich is more expensive!

But seriously. that's awesome price. Need to call some favors and get someone from US to bring me one! They do say it folds down to small amount of space... Maybe, just maybe I could get one!

Sanus has height adjustment, but 2" only and you have to take the monitor off. True, it sucks but hey... Compare 'normal' price of 7500-1500 and normal price of Sanus ;-) And it has tilt too.

In any case, it would be waaay better than the iMac stand (which is not bad, just not very versatile)
 
bobob, any update on what the engineers at Innovative have to say? Are the pivot heads different on the 7500 and bigger arm? If yes, can one Frankenstein the pivot head from the 7500 to the bigger arm? I assume they have some kind of solution... they must know there will be quite a few 27" owners out there who need the reach of the bigger arm...

Crazy busy week for me, so I haven't had an opportunity to concentrate on chasing them down yet...



But I did think of something to put in the "Wacky Idea's File":

How about an arm on an arm?

You get one of the super heavy duty SAA2415 Ergomart arms that can float 62 lbs. Then you add an Innovative 7500-1500 arm onto the end of it, with it's (shipping) weight of 15 lbs, by fabricating a wood or metal connector between the two. This makes a total payload of ~45 lbs at the end of a quadruple articulated, double tilting, 49" long, patched together Frankenstein of an arm.

Of course, the force of leverage at that full extension would probably overwhelm the gas shocks, if not also tearing the stud out of the wall, but who's left to care once this monster is unleashed?

:eek:
 
How about an arm on an arm?

You get one of the super heavy duty SAA2415 Ergomart arms that can float 62 lbs. Then you add an Innovative 7500-1500 arm onto the end of it, with it's (shipping) weight of 15 lbs, by fabricating a wood or metal connector between the two. This makes a total payload of ~45 lbs at the end of a quadruple articulated, double tilting, 49" long, patched together Frankenstein of an arm.

Of course, the force of leverage at that full extension would probably overwhelm the gas shocks, if not also tearing the stud out of the wall, but who's left to care once this monster is unleashed?

:eek:

Won't work precisely because of what you pointed out: leverage. As Archimedes knew, leverage changes things non-linearly. Besides probably being pretty unsightly. It's an Apple product we are mounting for god's sake, aesthetics count :)... as it is, I'm fretting about color choices.
 
... as it is, I'm fretting about color choices.

Know what you mean! I'm looking at the 7500 but the deal from Amazon is limited to black. I did some searching around and the silver seems to be available for $150. I guess I could just buy the black one and a can of aluminum paint. Problem solved!
 
For those still pursuing an articulating arm for their 27" iMac, there are three updates to this thread:



1. The weight of the 27" iMac with it's built-in stand removed has been determined:

Question Answered!

Thank-you to MesMaker, who was kind enough to break out the scale in another thread and bring closure to this one:

Weight of stand only ... no screws nothing. 2 lbs 10.2 oz

So that puts the weight of the standless 27" iMac at 30 lbs 8 oz - 2 lbs 10.2 oz = 27 lbs 13.8 oz.

Now, all that remains to determine is the weight of Apple's VESA mount and we will know the actual accurate total payload weight an arm will need to support.


2. The spectacular $99 Amazon deal on an Innovative 7500-1500 arm that negatv1 turned us on to, is sadly no longer available. (Hopefully snapped up by quick thinking new iMac owners!)


3. The Innovative 7601-14-2000 (one of the long arms discussed upthread) has been confirmed to be not recommended by Innovative for use with the 27" iMac, leaving the 7500-1500 as the current top pick for those who can get by with a standard length arm.
 
Whoa! You guys have seriously geeked-out over display arms. Whatever will you do with yourself when you find the 46" 3D articulating, gas powered arm capable of supporting 27 lbs 13.8 oz!
 
Whoa! You guys have seriously geeked-out over display arms.

Heh - they're going to have to add an "Arm Geek" category to this poster:

geek-types.jpg
 
The Innovative 7601-14-2000 (one of the long arms discussed upthread) has been confirmed to be not recommended by Innovative for use with the 27" iMac, leaving the 7500-1500 as the current top pick for those who can get by with a standard length arm.

In contrast, for those that are still pursuing greater length, I am in the middle of the research, and waiting for some information to be confirmed. Once I have definitive answers, I will post them here. Unfortunately, this may take a week or even two, but I'd rather wait for firm information, instead of posting things in haste that may need to be corrected later on. Hang in there folks, I'm onto something good (once it's confirmed)!
 
I took out a 3/1 ARM to finance my iMac.

Yes a useless and witless post I know but it's what I thought of when first reading the thread subject; considering prices and all (but you get what you pay for indeed). :)
 
Mount

I just ordered the 7500-1500 from Amazon for $99.50 although this is not the same one listed in the posted video's it seem's it will work the same.
 
It DOES NOT!

If you want a nice looking LCD arm have a look at the Ergotron MX:

http://www.ergotron.com/Products/tabid/65/PRDID/56/language/en-US/default.aspx

I am going to use that arm for my iMac 27".

I used to have a much smaller Ergotron Neo-Flex arm which was rated for 18lbs but still could handle my Samsung 30" screen (26 lbs) so I am positive the MX arm can handle the iMac 27" weight.

It does not!
And this is the reason why I'm on this thread after some googling!
This Ergotron model was on my 27 samsung and when I tried on my new imac (after frustrating installation of apple vesa mount), this arm does not hold the new 27 iMac....I hope see this reply!
 
It does not!
And this is the reason why I'm on this thread after some googling!
This Ergotron model was on my 27 samsung and when I tried on my new imac (after frustrating installation of apple vesa mount), this arm does not hold the new 27 iMac....I hope see this reply!

That's strange, the MX arm is rated for 30 lbs and the iMac 27" weighs 30.5 lbs. Half a pound shouldn't be that critical?
 
That's strange, the MX arm is rated for 30 lbs and the iMac 27" weighs 30.5 lbs. Half a pound shouldn't be that critical?

As discussed upthread, the actual weight of the 27" iMac with the stand removed is just under 30 lbs., but how critical that is depends on a number of factors, especially gas shock strength and wrist joint strength. One additional factor is the length of the arm - the longer the arm the greater the stress put on the arm by a heavy computer like the 27" iMac. Since the Ergotron MX is only 16" long, that factor seems to weigh in it's favor. But to be sure, I would suggest contacting the engineers at Ergotron to get their recommendation on whether it will actually support the iMac or not. As we have discovered in our arm research, nothing is certain.
 
The Scoop

OK, my fellow long arm questers, I have some definitive answers at long last.

The market for long (over 40") fully articulated arms that can carry the 27" iMac is really down to ONE option. Yes, you read it right - in a nation that has managed to land a man on the moon, there is only one consumer articulated arm that can carry over 30lbs over 40" of horizontal travel. There are some industrial solutions, but unless you want your room to look like a factory, it's down to only one option that I could find. Perhaps somebody can find another option, but in a month long search I have only turned up one.

The one option, is the Innovative 9102-2000. It is rated by Innovative as having a 42" horizontal reach, with 28" vertical travel (when mounted on a wall, or 14" when mounted on a table - or somewhat more with a 6" vertical extention to about 20"), and weight capacity of 35lbs.

This arm is distributed by Ergomart, under the part number of SAA4229. Ergomart rates it at a more modest 33lbs.

First let me discuss of one other option: the Innovative 7601-14-2000. This arm is really a new version of the Innovative 9102-2000 mentioned above. Yet, the specifications for this arm are different in one respect. The reach is still the same, but the weight capacity drops to 30lbs or right at the edge of the the 27" iMac weight of 30.5lbs. Now, if you mount the iMac, you remove the stand which is 2 lbs 10.2 oz, but you add the Apple VESA adapter, as well as a 100mm VESA adapter at the other end, which again gets you close to the initial weight of a hair over 30lbs. So as can be seen, this is right at the edge of the weight capacity of the 7601-14-2000. An Innovative rep pointed out that all gas cylinders lose potency over time and have to be tightened to keep functioning, and "if you are already at the edge of the capacity, you don't have any room to tighten". And the cylinder in the 7601-14-2000 is the largest cylinder on the market. Other posters have been in communication with Innovative, and Innovative does not recommend the 7601-14-2000 for the 27" iMac.

However, the plot thickens. If the 7601-14-2000 is rated at 30lbs, then why is the 9102-2000 rated at 35lbs by Innovative? The horizontal reach is the same (42"), and they use the same (allegedly largest on the market) gas cylinder. Well, I decided to investigate. I called Innovative, and the answer I got from them was that it is in fact - contrary to what the other Innovative person said - not a problem with the cylinder. The cylinder can carry 35lbs. The difference is down to the construction of the two arms. The newer arm, the 7600-14-2000 is constructed with lighter materials for lower overall weight, and is not constructed as robustly as the 9102-2000. I was not fully satisfied with this explanation, so I called Ergomart (one of Innovative's distributors).

At Ergomart, I spoke to a very nice and knowledgeable gentleman, Mike. He claims that the 7601-14-2000 uses a weaker elbow joint than the 9201-2000, and that is the reason why it can carry only 30lbs - and frankly he would not recommend the 7601 for that weight, because according to him, it will be very difficult to move that arm unless it is at full extension. The reason for the different elbow joint is down to a different cable management solution. With the 9201, the cables go along the arm on the outside, and are hidden by a plastic cap that's taped to the arm. The 7601 uses a much more aesthetically pleasing solution - you thread the cables inside the arm for a much less chunky and more neat solution, but you pay a price for that, because now you must use a smaller and weaker elbow joint to accommodate all those cables. According to Mike, they have not had problems with the gas cylinder, and he does not believe that will be a problem - over time you do lose potency, but at such a tiny rate (fraction of 1% per year), that it has no practical consequence for a long time. In any case, the cylinder is warranted for 2 years by the cylinder manufacturer, and should it fail outside of the warranty period, you can always have it swapped out (by sending the arm to Innovative, in Pennsylvania). Anyhow, he does not believe the cylinder will be a problem at all. In their experience, they've had other problems with various arms (they carry a lot), but it's almost never been the cylinder. Incidentally, he finds the 7601 series more problem prone than others, and the 9201 is quite solid. Ergomart in fact does not carry the 2000 series of the 7601, but rather the 1500 and the 1000, and for heavy duty stuff, the 9102. The difference of rating between Innovative's 9102 (35lbs) and Ergomart's SAA4229 33lbs (same arm) Mike claims is because Ergomart is more conservative.

Bottom line, the Innovative 7601-14-2000 arm is not suitable for the 27" iMac. Now, watch out, because various distributors re-badge and have different part numbers for this product, so you may buy it not knowing that.

So, does that mean the 9201-2000 is all heaven. No. Apart from the aesthetic issue of cable management, there is one serious flaw in this arm. It is the tilt mechanism on the head of the arm (where it attaches to the monitor). This tilt mechanism is quite big and robust, but unfortunately, it is hard to operate - it is hard to do on the fly, and you may need to use tools to alter the tilt (up or down) position. If you set the tilt and don't change it, or if you don't mind using tools to change it, then it's not an issue, but for others it may be. Innovative recognized that, and changed the tilt mechanism to a spring loaded one that can be changed on the fly with a lot of weight, and they put the new head on the 7600 and 7500 series arms - but not on the 9102-2000 which is stuck with the old tilt mechanism. What to do? A partial solution is to adapt the newer spring-loaded tilt mechanism from the 7600/7500 series to the 9201-2000. This demands machining a longer pin, but unfortunately, that limits the tilt degree you can get out of it on the 9201-2000. Mike estimates that you can get about a 25 degree movement in this scenario, which is obviously vastly less than you can natively on the 7600/7500 series. If you can live with this, it can be a solution - I can, because I'll only tilt it (up or down) by a few degrees to get rid of the reflections, but for others this is a deal-breaker (as has been communicated to me privately by other posters).

The bottom line is that there is no 100% solution. If you want an articulated arm with both vertical and horizontal movement, and full panning, with horizontal reach of over 40" that can comfortably carry the 27" iMac, there is only one game in town - the Innovative 9201-2000. The limitation is the tilt mechanism. A partial solution is to swap out the mechanism with a special pin - and Ergomart is willing to do this for you. The constriction here is that this narrows your tilting ability to about 25 degrees. This is good enough for me. It may not be for you. This arm comes in a variety of colors, but for some color choices they need a lead time to special order (though as the color becomes widely available and in stock, the lead time normalizes). Ergomart calls this arm the SAA4229. The cost is not trivial, especially that in addition, you will need to buy not only Apple's VESA adapter for $29, but also a 100mm VESA adapter for the arm ($40) and a mounting solution (~$40 depending on what you choose). If you buy a track (not necessary) for your wall mounting, then that can run you depending on the length anywhere from $80 to $180 (again, this is optional - you don't have to buy this). Lowest shipping is $29. Since I also bought a 31" track, my total cost including the Apple adapter is close to $700.

Because I ordered the white color option, the lead time is some 3 weeks (once the color is widely in stock, the lead time will normalize). Once I receive the arm and install it, I will give an update to this thread. So far, dealing with Ergomart has been a good experience - they have been accommodating and informative. I have dealt with Mike and Paula, and both were great. Of course, the ultimate test is how this will all shake out, and I won't know this for quite some time - if the arm does not arrive in time before I leave for my Xmas vacation, I won't have the answer until January.

So this is the fruit of my research - if anyone else has more options, they can chime in.
 
Has anybody in the UK found anywhere that will ship the Innovative 7500 at a reasonable price? Amazon won't ship it here, due to the weight I guess :(
 
Has anybody in the UK found anywhere that will ship the Innovative 7500 at a reasonable price? Amazon won't ship it here, due to the weight I guess :(

Try these folks. They say they ship international. The price is a little higher than Amazon ($152) but they have all 3 color options. Ordered the silver and received it within about 2 weeks. VERY heavy compared to arms I've had in the past.

Provantage.com
 
Guys is there an issue with mounting the vesa adaptor or are the below guys on teh apple site just deluded?
from:
http://store.apple.com/au/product/MC434ZM/A

The screws do not even align when used with the 27" iMac
Written by KY from London 5/11/2009
I tried putting it on the new 27" iMac. The flange went on without any problem. The hole aligned with the pin, and all 8 screws were fastened easily. However, installation of the mount adapter plate was a different story... When it sits on top of the flange, the holes from the sides of the mount plate do not even align with the threaded holes of the flange. It was at least 2 mm off-centre. I had to remove the protective plastic strips at the edge of the mount adapter plate, only then the bolt can be threaded into the flange. Even so, the bolts were so tight that, on one side, I could only drive the bolt half-away in before I strip the hex pattern on top of the bolt.
 
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