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Black Friday deals seem to be pretty bad this year. Even door busters don't seem like they're that great? As in.. even if it was available throughout the entire day, I don't know if I would actually buy it. Weird.

Walmart is the last big one in my opinion. Maybe they'll do the whole guaranteed thing again this year where you buy a card after inventory is gone and you can pick it up later.

I am getting the same feeling. I am in the market for a decent i7 laptop. Hoping for a black friday deal which is better than a costco pricing.
 
It's probably best that they didn't vote. I feel like we already have way too many uninformed voters as is.

this generality does us no good. all black friday shoppers are low information voters? the general public is smarter than MSM headlines would have us believe. overwhelmingly, the public asks for sensible things it never receives.
 
It's that time of the year again! I know it's sad, but, I wonder how many people are going to get beat up or even killed this year.

Over the past few years, I've heard of people using Tasers, pepper spray, blackjacks, linoleum knives and cattle prods to get other shoppers out of their way.
 
LMAO no, if you knew how past depressions/recessions formed and were solved it would be one of the easiest concepts to grasp, unfortunately for you it still goes over your head.

Okay genius.. I'll play along. I own a coffee shop. I have 5 employees who earn minimum wage, plus tips. My profits are minimal as I am just getting by. If you force me to pay them more, I either have to: a - fire two of them and work more hours myself, b - raise my prices to cover the cost of increased wage (to which Starbucks would not have to do as their profits are higher), c - keep them all employed, and burn through any savings I might have in HOPES that all that extra money in the hands of the people just happens to find its way back into my store.. and if that doesn't happen, well then I close the store and now 5 people are unemployed, and I've lost my business because ignorant people like you think teenagers and people with zero experience deserve more money. :rolleyes:
 
That is actually a really great deal on the iPad Air 2. I might just go after that.

In the mean time, they will be having sales from Nov. 20 to the 22 on the iPad Air 1 and iPod touch 64GB, although they said the pricing would not be announced until 11/20. Page 5 of the ad.
 
When you are pick pocketed by some thief in the Black Friday mob, will cash replace itself? When your iPad breaks just out of Apple's warranty, will cash pay for a repair or replacement?

lol no fear dude. I'm not worried about criminals they are worried about me
 
it looks like there is no more need to be at the store anymore. they are advertising you can get all the same deals online thursday and friday. so just stay home

they are discounting the iPad mini 3 by $75, so that helps to bring it back down to iPad mini 2 prices
 
This I'll disagree with, and here is why. Generally low paying jobs equate to low skill requirements for the job. These jobs have traditionally been meant to provide an introduction to the work force for the young worker or as part time / second income to supplement a households primary source - it was a win-win for the employee and the employer in that respect. Increasing the pay rate for these jobs means fewer jobs available for new workers and for those needing to supplement their income as employers will not be able to employ as many people. If you think employers can afford it, take a look at the profit margins of any company that employs minimum wage workers. By and large the majority do not have huge margins to be able to absorb a doubling of minimum wage.

Here's the problem. Back in the day retailers had mostly full time workers and part time employees were just there to fill gaps. I remember working for Wal-Mart in high school 20+ years ago and most the daytime employees were "department/service managers" and such and were considered full time with benefits while nights and weekends were all the high school kids who were part time. The full timers were mostly single moms and recent grads working their way through night school. Now everyone is part time (thanks Obamacare). Yes, we need to have entry level jobs, but to write off complete industries as entry level is short sighted to the extreme...
 
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Of course there are positives. Target is giving their employees time-and-a-half plus and extra dollar per hour, so they're employees will get some extra cash for Christmas. But I think the wages should be higher to begin with.
As far as we know it is time and a half until midnight on Thursday, then switches to the extra $1/hr for the overnight portion. That is how it has been every other year, and no one has confirmed this year will be different.

Actually Target made significant changes in the past year and they have a new CEO, so that's not really an issue anymore.
Most retailers that have been breeched in the past year are probably the safest places to use your cards right now. Beware of the places that haven't YET been breeched.

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See, your problem is that you're believing the BS put out by these stores' PR firms.

I personally know two people who work at different big box retailers that will open on Thanksgiving, and despite the official word from their employers that it's voluntary, they tell me it is anything but voluntary and it's either come in to work that day or never come in again.

There is nothing voluntary about it. You have no choice, you work what is printed. Heck, I couldn't even get them to honor/respect the max hours a week cap I had in place when I was hired. And even if you are normally unavailable on say Thursday and Friday - you WILL work on Black Friday. It won't matter what the reason is...

Thankfully this is my last week in retail take-2. While it was nice to have a job that paid as much as I got (I was paid as a pharmacy tech) with flexible hours, the inability to have a set schedule/anything made family life rough as a single mom. Many of my co-workers are in the same place.
 
This I'll disagree with, and here is why. Generally low paying jobs equate to low skill requirements for the job. These jobs have traditionally been meant to provide an introduction to the work force for the young worker or as part time / second income to supplement a households primary source - it was a win-win for the employee and the employer in that respect. Increasing the pay rate for these jobs means fewer jobs available for new workers and for those needing to supplement their income as employers will not be able to employ as many people. If you think employers can afford it, take a look at the profit margins of any company that employs minimum wage workers. By and large the majority do not have huge margins to be able to absorb a doubling of minimum wage.

Increase min wage =More money in the hands of the people = more people spending money = more revenue for companies.

Goobot, I think you missed the point of kc2kth. Yes, more money in the hands of the people does increase the amount of money people can spend, but that only works well if you don't add people to the system. When younger people enter the workforce without access to jobs they extend the strain of resources on others around them.

Those low income jobs are not careers, and they SHOULD have very high turnover. Why should they have high turnover? The people in those jobs should be leaving them when their pay to experience ratio becomes excessively large. Now with experience they can go fight for new, better compensated, careers. This frees up jobs for younger folks who need a point of entry into the workforce.

It doesn't matter if companies can afford to pay them more or not. That extra money should be invested in retaining experienced employees. When you pay people more you fail to provide motivation for them to develop. Learning doesn't end because you got a job. This tactic of rewarding experience and education is what keeps highly skilled employees at the same place for 20 years.
 
Okay genius.. I'll play along. I own a coffee shop. I have 5 employees who earn minimum wage, plus tips. My profits are minimal as I am just getting by. If you force me to pay them more, I either have to: a - fire two of them and work more hours myself, b - raise my prices to cover the cost of increased wage (to which Starbucks would not have to do as their profits are higher), c - keep them all employed, and burn through any savings I might have in HOPES that all that extra money in the hands of the people just happens to find its way back into my store.. and if that doesn't happen, well then I close the store and now 5 people are unemployed, and I've lost my business because ignorant people like you think teenagers and people with zero experience deserve more money. :rolleyes:
Option B will easily take care of things. You raise your prices a bit. Prices on all goods produced by low-wage earners will go up, including Starbucks, so you won't be alone and will do just fine. Raising the minimum wage is not the end of the world- there are plenty of countries that have far higher minimum wages than the U.S. that are doing well. In fact, raising the minimum wage would improve the U.S. economy quite a bit, by increasing the buying power of low wage individuals who spend most of their money locally, at the expense of the wealthy who tend to spend more overseas. More people would buy your overpriced coffee (Keep in mind that coffee is worthless, it's a great feat of marketing that anyone pays money for it at coffee shops when it can easily be made at home/work for next to nothing. You should thank your lucky stars every day that your business even exists).
 
Option B will easily take care of things. You raise your prices a bit. Prices on all goods produced by low-wage earners will go up, including Starbucks, so you won't be alone and will do just fine.

Wait a second, wouldn't higher prices decrease the buying power of the new minimum wage?
 
Wait a second, wouldn't higher prices decrease the buying power of the new minimum wage?
A very simplistic thought. Yes, higher prices on goods produced by workers whose former wages fall below the new minimum would partially offset the gains for such workers. However, not all goods are produced in such a manner. Minimum wage workers would more easily be able to afford many things such as food (while grocery store staff are minimum wage, farmers, truckers, etc. typically aren't), fuel, electricity, higher education, cars, and electronics. This in turn would leave them much better able to make ends meet.

Contrary to what some may tell you, this isn't simply a matter of ideological debate- there are places that have actually done the experiment and have real results. There is no question that low-ranking workers do better in countries such as Switzerland, Denmark, and Canada than they do in the U.S.
 
equals higher prices for everyone.

Like prices aren't going to go higher anyways. Everyone acts like if the price of their Big Mac or Double Latte Espresso Grande goes up 40 cents, the world is going to end. Look at what you currently spend money on and tell me you'd pass on going out to eat because the price went up 40 cents.

Maybe these doom-sayers should just buy one less bottle of wine when they go to dinner, or one less six-pack of beer on the weekend, or stop smoking cigarettes (or any number of pricey entertainment choices everyone makes daily) and remember that the extra few cents you are paying is helping someone much less fortunate pay the rent and buy food for themselves and their family.
 
Okay genius.. I'll play along. I own a coffee shop. I have 5 employees who earn minimum wage, plus tips. My profits are minimal as I am just getting by. If you force me to pay them more, I either have to: a - fire two of them and work more hours myself, b - raise my prices to cover the cost of increased wage (to which Starbucks would not have to do as their profits are higher), c - keep them all employed, and burn through any savings I might have in HOPES that all that extra money in the hands of the people just happens to find its way back into my store.. and if that doesn't happen, well then I close the store and now 5 people are unemployed, and I've lost my business because ignorant people like you think teenagers and people with zero experience deserve more money. :rolleyes:

Way to over-exaggerate on every option you gave. Not sure if you really have a coffee shop, but assuming you do, how many cups of coffee do you sell an hour, on average? Let's say 50 cups (I could be way off, not sure..). If you have 5 employees total then you probably have 2-3 on at any one time. Every hour they work your wages go up $6 (assuming a $2/hr rate hike). That's .12 per cup of coffee. And you'll have to close your store because you have to charge 12 cents more per cup of coffee?

Coffee prices fluctuate more than that and you're still in business.

IMO, workers that work for tips should be on a different minimum wage scale. Many restaurant workers make a substantial amount of money from tips, whereas some min wage workers get no tips. That, to me, is not fair either. Tip workers don't need the same increase as non-tip workers.
 
To gets this thread back on track: I'd much rather have $100 off an unlocked iPhone than $100 off an on-contract iPhone.
 
I saw a lady doing that for her disney vacation. She had stacks of gift cards she was buying from Target at a discounted rate.

Can you buy apple hardware with an iTunes gift card? I thought you had to get an Apple Store gift card to purchase hardware?

Yes, you're right. I just glanced at the $100 card and didn't notice/think about Apple gift card vs. iTunes. Can you imagine if someone actually bought 37 iTunes cards and had to use them just for music and movies?
 
Besides getting the $100.00 discount on the Ipad Air 2, do you get a $100 gift card too at Best Buy? :rolleyes:
 
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