I wish they'd give discounts on the ipad mini retina 1. The new mini is just not a good deal, even with the discount.
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Best Buy Discounting iPads, iPhones, Macs, and More for Black Friday
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So people who have skilled, educated, or more demanding jobs will lose buying power to people with no skills or education and are content to coast at entry level job. Gotcha.
I live in Canada, so I'm glad you put us on your list. I can tell you with authority you have no clue what you're talking about, no matter how the American liberal media lies about the reality.
People with "skilled, educated, or more demanding jobs" would lose the power to exploit those who haven't had the same opportunities. That's not a bad thing. The rest of their goods not produced by minimum wage earners would go for the same price. Not having a $3 cheese burger isn't going to kill anyone, quite the opposite.
I also live in Canada. There is no province with a minimum wage under $10 CAD or $8.81 US. So not only do minimum wage earners in Canada earn 21% more, they also get a lot more government services. Sure, it's not as good a deal as some European countries, but the plight of people at the bottom in Canada is considerably better than the US. Talk about having no clue what you are talking about.
The mean-spiritedness of certain right wingers shows through loud and clear. First they insist that poor people are lazy. Then when its pointed out that they actually work incredibly hard for very little money, they switch to saying that they deserve what they get either because of who they are (teenagers, women, immigrants, etc.) or because they didn't get an education (which is assumed to be equally easy for everyone). When its pointed out that many of them do have educations, it's that they deserve it for getting the wrong education. I guess when your life is exploiting others it feels good to be able to shift the blame to the people you're exploiting.
There's this thing called the "economy", right? In a capitalist market, the economy is based around people, aka consumers, buying stuff sold to them by companies that produce goods, aka producers. Consumers with steady, sustainable levels of income tend to spend their money on things producers create, thereby creating more profits for these producers to create the next big thing. The more money consumers have, the more money producers eventually earn, and the more products they make. It's like a great big circle.
So what happens when, for whatever reason, consumers have less money to spend on extraneous goods, and can only afford the bare necessities? They quit buying things unless they absolutely need them. The less disposable income they have, the less they buy. No computers. No phones. No cars. No toys. In situations such as this, most producers quit making as much money. They have to downscale their workforce to maintain profits. This means more people without jobs, or from a market perspective, fewer people with disposable incomes. This is what we call a recession. There's less money being moved about in the capitalist system.
So how do we fix it? Either give people more jobs to work, so they'll have more disposable incomes. Or, if unemployment is low, boost wages to spur on more spending. Right now, we're facing the latter. Unemployment is at 6%. Could be better, but it's not exactly terrible. The problem is, the minimum wage hasn't increased in line alongside inflation, which means the average person actually makes less money now than they did back in the 60's.
This is a pretty simple explanation, and I don't go into the problems of debt, credit, and all that good stuff, but it's true enough. It explains why we need to raise the minimum wage. A capitalist society without a middle class able to spend money without relying heavily on credit is a broken one.
No it's not, not if you're honest and compare like with like. The Obama administration isn't honest. Today's numbers have a much lower labor force participation rate than those from 5 or 10 years ago. The administration is lying about the unemployment rate by simply not counting millions of people in the "wants to work" part of the equation.
The former doesn't imply the latter. The minimum wage has nothing to do with the average person. Both the average and median person's wages have exceeded inflation. Greatly exceeded if you count the value of employer-provided benefits that don't appear in your wages.
Minimum wage employees aren't part of the middle class and never have been.
So what is unemployment currently setting at?
Not necessarily true. Minimum wage tends to scale along with wages throughout the business cycle. You could easily say that the average American is making less today than they were 50 years ago.
Case in point, in the 60's, it only took one person with a spectacularly average job to provide for a family of 4, and still have a goodly bit of money tucked away in savings. These days, a husband and wife working regular middle class jobs can only just make ends meet, and it's not uncommon for at least one of them to be working a second job on the side. A far higher percentage of the public is living paycheck to paycheck. Any substantial savings is a rare thing, and people tend to live off of credit more than spend out of pocket these days.
Now you could say that people tend to buy far more than they need these days, and any debt incurred by such a lifestyle is entirely their fault. This isn't entirely wrong. Some people are incredibly irresponsible, and/or lazy. But that isn't universally true. You can't lay the ills of our current economy entirely on their shoulders. By comparing our current situation to the past, it's all but obvious that the system isn't working as well as it should. A goodly portion of the problem stems from the fact that there's too much money pooling at the top.
Sadly, this. I work at best buy and am dreading Black Friday. Last year it was a hot damn mess and it'll be even more ****ery this year. A lot of the customers who go in to shop couldn't give a single **** about their fellow man, much less the people who actually work in the store. As long as they get their marked down iPad and $1 iPhone that's all that matters. When you have people getting killed b/c they're getting trampled by greedy people, who just hours earlier gave thanks for all that they had, trying to get 59 dollar Kindle Fire...then there's problem.
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then take the cash and buy a visa/amex/mastercard prepaid card and use it to buy the product.
Well I am able to get educational discount because my wife is a teacher, so the BF deals are not that enticing on most retailers. Now would be great if Apple could combine BF and Edu discounts on their products. Then that's the real thing. 
Your glass is half full, is it?
If only I could pay for these Apple deals usingPay ....
Really? You destroyed all your credit cards after
pay was begun?Good grief, Charlie Brown!
If the minimum wage is increased, the cost of those burgers and fries will also be increased ... as well as anything else on the market that is touched by the wage increases.
I don't eat fast food or drink alcohol. I went to college to get a good job and am now well off. Others can do the same if the are willing to work hard. Oh and minimum wage was $1.65 when I got my first job...
Funny how those poor people afford cell phones, big screen TVs and satellite dishes. If a job takes a 8th grade education, pay 8 bucks an hour.
i need iPad Air 2 64GB
Feeling huge buyers remorse with my iPad Air 1 with only 16 GB. 16GB does not cut it any more, especially on an iPad.
Few apps, no music, no pictures, no videos and my storage is filled.
better to get it from target or best buys?
edit: And I Vow not to buy another iPad for years to come.
Feeling huge buyers remorse with my iPad Air 1 with only 16 GB. 16GB does not cut it any more, especially on an iPad.
Few apps, no music, no pictures, no videos and my storage is filled.
better to get it from target or best buys?
edit: And I Vow not to buy another iPad for years to come.
And I live in downtown Toronto and please show me where we have the slums that you see in some of the US, for we don't have that here.
Why?
It has become more difficult to live well on lower incomes here today than it was 20=30 years ago but times are changing and our middle class is on its way out whereas its booming in places such as Vietnam for instance as they export so much nowadays.
We don't, not as we did.
From the 1980s to now we have seen our clothing manufacturing business more or less all close down and no one manufactures here anymore.
Except perhaps Canada Goose
That said, I won't even hazard a guess as to whether raising minim wage is great or not.
I have read many times here in Ontario at least, the money paid to people on welfare has been frozen for the past 16 or 18 years yet house costs, food, clothes, etc have all increased at levels so rapidly, those on welfare or low paying jobs can no longer live as they would have 30 years ago.
Never understood this concept of fighting shoppers, or standing in line for 24 hours just to save on something you could likely buy online........unless I am wrong about the pricing and its far more incredible deals they offer than I realize.
Although Id like to agree with that comment, I have very close friend running a small chain of coffee/sandwich stores here in Toronto. I imagine him to be a fair boss from all I have heard yet i know he claims to pay higher wages than minimum wage yet its reached appoint over a few years where he has come to enjoy hiring Sri Lankan workers who he says are by far the hardest and most professional in the restaurant trade in Canada. He's repeatedly hired "caucasian" Canadians and has said that they mostly all are not willing to work hard and believe themselves to be far more entitled than all others,
This is coming from a man who wasn't handed anything but worked to educate himself and get ahead.
He went as far as helping one Sri Lankan fellow who was a very hard worker, to get his own restaurant up and running which became a big success here.
I have found it somewhat eye opening listening to what he has experienced with workers here and why he has chosen as a rule to hire people he considers hard workers although I have seen a very relaxed environment whenever I have been in his business.
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I am almost afraid to ask what decade you started out in?
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Looking to buy an iMac.
I have never experienced Boxing day sales except what I have seen on TV which was enough to cure me of ever thinking Id want to partake in the madness.
So for those living in Toronto, can on get the same deals online, or not and if so, where would be my best chance of the best deal for such a product?
Any hints from experience were to look?
Wal mart? They make eleventy trillion dollars a minute and their heirs are worth trillions too. Not buying it. Bear in mind too that since these people don't get paid enough, they end up on various social services which gets paid for by working class folks like many of us here. Yeah. That. So guess what? The company can fork over the cash.
Maybe the diner down the street has tight margins or the small shop in your village but giant corporations are raking it in left and right. Time to ante up.
As for this Best Buy sale? Sounds great but I'm happy with my Air and wouldn't dare bother trying to fight the masses on thanksgiving day. Plus, I'll be plopped on the couch digesting my dinner.
Oh boy! I expressed a similar sentiment last year and got roasted by several forum members.......
That's how the United States works. It's all about money, money, money. It shouldn't come as a surprise.
What should be a surprise is how a country so greedy and money obsessed can be over $18,000,000,000,000 (yeah 18 trillion) in debt and projected to be $21.8 trillion in debt by the end of 2015.
So everyone deserves to live in California where Cost of Living is very high and I get to pay for it when prices go up? Don't like your pay, gain a skill that a company values. Im not sorry your women study degree from the expensive private college nets you a 7.25 hour job.
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You don't understand the national debt. If we can borrow money at a cheaper interest rate than inflation it would be stupid not to take it.
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Wal mart? They make eleventy trillion dollars a minute and their heirs are worth trillions too. Not buying it. Bear in mind too that since these people don't get paid enough, they end up on various social services which gets paid for by working class folks like many of us here. Yeah. That. So guess what? The company can fork over the cash.
Maybe the diner down the street has tight margins or the small shop in your village but giant corporations are raking it in left and right. Time to ante up.
As for this Best Buy sale? Sounds great but I'm happy with my Air and wouldn't dare bother trying to fight the masses on thanksgiving day. Plus, I'll be plopped on the couch digesting my dinner.
I agree with you. We should yank those living off our taxes programs all together.
No, just with Apple gift cards. I didn't read it carefully when I made the post.
Well, not everyone in CA moves there dreaming of becoming a movie star.... Some us were born there. As were our parents and grandparents. And our kids.
Alas, we moved 11 years to FL due to the cost of living. Oddly, some things were crazy expensive more here, while others were cheaper. My house here cost 1/3 of the one there, but my property taxes were higher for one.
It's expensive to live, it is also expensive and not always feasible to up and leave somewhere.
Not everyone can afford the TIME to go to school for a different job. I was lucky, but I worked with plenty of people working 2-3 jobs to pay their bills while trying to raise a family, some as single parents. When do they squeeze in school?
Oh and to keep this on topic.. My last job in CA was working at Best Buy. That job 12 years ago paid me $3 more an hour than my co-workers are making in similar positions today. The crap they take as retail supervisors for $9/hr is crazy. I wouldn't do it.
This started in Europe before the USA a founded. Thomas Jefferson stated "I see banks as more dangerous than a apposing army" He was referring to the Rothschilds, Wallburgs and other families that used banking to take over the nations states of the world. Yes it's lame but the people need the money so they have work the job or find something new which is easier said than done.