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"Best Buy stores in the U.S. will open at 5:00 PM on Thursday, November 26"

I refuse to shop at a store that succumbs to the mind numbing holiday shopping hysteria and opens on Thanksgiving.
Not me. I see nothing sacrosanct about Thanksgiving (or Christmas for that matter). If a merchant has willing employees and they think that they can generate enough traffic to pay for the lights and utilities, then I say more power to 'em. Beats having to sit at home and be force fed football and advertising on TV or insufferable family members. I'd LOVE to have a place to go get things done while everyone else is celebrating their holiday of choice.
 
I guess they don't want my phone upgrade business. I have a 4s that I seriously want to upgrade but hey, that's not good enough for them.
 
We need to stop supporting these companies that start these sales on Thanksgiving day itself. It's disgusting. My family doesn't get together as often any more since many of them moved halfway across the country. But then they feel like they need to go "get the deals before the other guy does" and we don't get to spend as much time together. It really irritates me, especially since I usually get the same or better deals by searching around on Cyber Monday. I tell them this, but they still shop. Mindless drones…sigh. If I had it my way, there wouldn't be sales on Friday either. God forbid families spend more than a day with each other out of the year.
I think you found the problem. While I agree with you that I won't shop at stores open on Thanksgiving, they wouldn't be open if there weren't customers who wanted to shop then.

As Pogo said long ago... "We have met the enemy and he is us."
 
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Mindless drones…sigh.
darn right! People can't think for themselves. We need blue laws so nobody can shop on Sundays (like not too long ago) and we should force merchants not to open when we deem it improper. Give people too much freedom and there will be coed dances next! Mark my words. /s
 
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
Why is someone shopping when it is convenient for them "the enemy"? I think Macduke has it right, maybe people shouldn't be so concerned about saving a pittance on what is basically disposable material goods. Take the day off, find a sale, pay (oh my, clutches pearls) a little more at a later date. The problem isn't merchants being open. The problem is people not wanting to feel like they missed something special. And no consumer grade item on a black Friday sale is a special item. I say encourage stores to be open more often to remove this wholly artificial facade of 'deep savings' for one day only. IMHO, of course ;-)
 
Why is someone shopping when it is convenient for them "the enemy"? I think Macduke has it right, maybe people shouldn't be so concerned about saving a pittance on what is basically disposable material goods. Take the day off, find a sale, pay (oh my, clutches pearls) a little more at a later date. The problem isn't merchants being open. The problem is people not wanting to feel like they missed something special. And no consumer grade item on a black Friday sale is a special item. I say encourage stores to be open more often to remove this wholly artificial facade of 'deep savings' for one day only. IMHO, of course ;-)
Come on, that's not a literal statement. It's a comic strip. You know what it really means. Like I said, the only reason why the stores are open on Thanksgiving is because there are people who want to shop then. I could go on and on about my perspective on that, but I won't, except to say that it's a sad commentary on what the Christmas season has turned into.
 
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Anyone know if these will be international this year? They did it in 2013 but skipped it last year (at least for New Zealand they did).
 
Somehow I look at your avatar saying and then read your post, something doesn't add up.

Precisely what is wrong with my "avatar saying"? That I'm thinking different than the mindless drones who shop until they pass out, even though many of them are racking up tons of debt in the process?

darn right! People can't think for themselves. We need blue laws so nobody can shop on Sundays (like not too long ago) and we should force merchants not to open when we deem it improper. Give people too much freedom and there will be coed dances next! Mark my words. /s

Exactly! We shouldn't protect these low-income employees from heartless companies that make them come in and work on a holiday instead of being with their family. I mean really, who deserves a day off during a national holiday anyway? Not poor people. Especially not a holiday like this one—the first one founded in this land to give thanks for what we have. We shouldn't be thankful at all and just buy buy buy until we all pass out. Rampant consumerism always wins. Screw Thanksgiving, this is the true American way! /s

Consider yourself marked all right…more like marred. The density on display here is approaching neutron star. I take it you've never been forced to work a shift on Thanksgiving, because I have and it's literally worse than Hitler. I'm so thankful that I no longer have to do that and am in a position to vote with my dollars and try to persuade those among my friends, family and coworkers to not participate in this ridiculous game.
 
It looks like that $150.00 I saved at Staples back in July really was a great deal, no gift card just cash discount. So glad I jumped on that deal on my iPad Air 2
 
crazy thing is the iPad air 2 deals were going on for about a month last year when they launched.
 
I used to work at a restaurant that was open on Thanksgiving. It was one of the busiest days. But despite that, the management made working that day strictly voluntary. Pay was time-and-a-half, or double-time if you were also exceeding 40 hours. Tips were also great. Needless to say, there were always plenty of volunteers. Some wanted the extra money. Some had no family to be with, and just wanted to be around people instead of home alone. It was popular enough to the point that management occasionally had to turn one or two people down from volunteering.

So when you guys talk about boycotting these places, just keep in mind that there are lots of different people in this world. And while some people may be loudly complaining about working, others are quietly happy to work that day in order to make an extra buck or not be lonely.
 
I used to work at a restaurant that was open on Thanksgiving. It was one of the busiest days. But despite that, the management made working that day strictly voluntary. Pay was time-and-a-half, or double-time if you were also exceeding 40 hours. Tips were also great. Needless to say, there were always plenty of volunteers. Some wanted the extra money. Some had no family to be with, and just wanted to be around people instead of home alone. It was popular enough to the point that management occasionally had to turn one or two people down from volunteering.

So when you guys talk about boycotting these places, just keep in mind that there are lots of different people in this world. And while some people may be loudly complaining about working, others are quietly happy to work that day in order to make an extra buck or not be lonely.

Touché. When I was in high school, I loved working holidays b.c the time and a half.
 
Not really comparable, you're talking about HDD space rather than performance. A 1TB SSD in the Retina MacBook Pro has read/write speeds of nearly 2GB/s. A 1TB USB HDD is something like £30. If you buy a MacBook Pro, I'd argue that performance is the main concern rather than storage. :)

And that may be how YOU argue it, but does any of the other MacBooks offer 500GB of space at a $1100 price point? I don't think so. The cheapest way to go, is a MacBook Air with 512GB of space for $1500. But that is a 1.7Gz dual core i5 compared to a 2.5Ghz duel core i5 in the MBP. So I would say that regardless, the MacBook Pro is a better deal around if you want HDD or Flash space.
 
Your Macbook Pro is also painfully slow and louder due to the HDD. No thanks.

So you want Apple to go backwards and put a HDD in the rMBP? Better start looking for Windows laptops, because there is zero chance Apple is making a new laptop with HDDs.

Painfully slow? Ha! This computer isn't slow, does rendering a DVD or Movie take a while, yes, but you know what thats what the nighttime is for. I really haven't had any issues with it slowing or crashing, it simply a good computer. Is the HDD louder then a Flash drive, yes. But is it painfully loud? No, this thing is whisper quite compared to the dell I have at work which has a flash drive. Most of the noise comes from the fans, which is never and issue on my MBP.

I don't want them to put a HDD in a rMBP, i want them to update the regular MBP with a HDD and faster processor. My computer is fine for now, but in a year or two, maybe not. And when I go to get a new computer, a Windows laptop might be the way to go for HDD space. Unless of course flash drops considerably soon.

My other thought is, iMac with a 1 TB HDD and a tablet (probably a Surface so I can stream the XB1 to it).
 
And that may be how YOU argue it, but does any of the other MacBooks offer 500GB of space at a $1100 price point? I don't think so. The cheapest way to go, is a MacBook Air with 512GB of space for $1500. But that is a 1.7Gz dual core i5 compared to a 2.5Ghz duel core i5 in the MBP. So I would say that regardless, the MacBook Pro is a better deal around if you want HDD or Flash space.

A 500GB USB HDD costs like £15. And the CPUs benchmark practically identically due to the architecture on the 2015 MacBook Air. Remember the 13" non-Retina still has a CPU from 2012.

Again, I don't see your point. You're using storage space as your argument on a Pro machine. I'm trying to say that the 2012 is just too long in the tooth these days. You get way more for your money with the 13" Retina. And non-Flash storage costs pennies. It's not a plus.
 
A 500GB USB HDD costs like £15. And the CPUs benchmark practically identically due to the architecture on the 2015 MacBook Air. Remember the 13" non-Retina still has a CPU from 2012.

Again, I don't see your point. You're using storage space as your argument on a Pro machine. I'm trying to say that the 2012 is just too long in the tooth these days. You get way more for your money with the 13" Retina. And non-Flash storage costs pennies. It's not a plus.

So do you know how to put a HDD into a MBA, MB, or rMBP that originally came with Flash?
Because I want on-board storage. I'm not arguing that the laptop is out of date, but the fact is, its is still good computer. Its not up-to-date and comparable to the rMBP, but it meets my needs in the main way, on board storage space at an affordable price point.
If YOU think the Pro label should be dropped, call Apple. I personally don't care what they call it. MacBook, MacBook Pro, MacBook Cheap, whatever.

Personal opinion. The new MacBooks should have been the new Air. And the non-retime MBP should be called MB with several processor and HDD options putting it on par with options of the old plastic MacBooks (which I still have one of an would use except the battery is shot and only 250HDD).
 
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