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Again, let me ask. Since when did sales numbers equate to "the best product" or a "premium product?" The blind followers seem to only use sales numbers, or the number of apps when it suits them. So I guess Windows OS is the premium better OS since it just completely annihilates Mac OS X in sales numbers and number of Apps. In your words and blind following logic, the people have spoken. See what I did there? Of course you didn't, your blind.

Win7 sold 400 million licenses in under 2 years. If true, it is the fastest selling OS of all times. Not bad for a "crappy OS".

(Disclaimer: i've spent roughly 98% of my time on os x the past 2 years. I still think that W7 is superior to SL. At least when it comes to my own productivity. SL is good enough though).

Both of you are being reasonable, Appleonians don't like that. To an Appleonian, sales numbers are only relevant when it makes Apple look good. 400 million copies of Windows 7= garbage. 40 million iPads=great product by a great company. The mentality is comical, isn't it?
 
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The TV in the offer is a $1500 3DTV, not your bog standard, low end HDTV.

True, but both are from Samsung. Samsung is taking the hit in some way because they need to increase sales and or market share or get rid of some product.

With the car, you can be sure Apple did not approach the car company and say, hey, we're not selling enough of these, why don't you give them away with cars. No. You can guarantee that the car company approached Apple and potentially paid a premium for the iPads to give them away with cars. These are iPads that Apple could have sold on it's own as they're selling every one they make. I'm sure you'd have to make it worth Apple's while to buy an allotment.
 
True, but both are from Samsung. Samsung is taking the hit in some way because they need to increase sales and or market share or get rid of some product.

With the car, you can be sure Apple did not approach the car company and say, hey, we're not selling enough of these, why don't you give them away with cars. No. You can guarantee that the car company approached Apple and potentially paid a premium for the iPads to give them away with cars. These are iPads that Apple could have sold on it's own as they're selling every one they make. I'm sure you'd have to make it worth Apple's while to buy an allotment.

Ahh, finally someone that gets it! Thank You!
 
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 destroys the iPad2 in ever way possible.

Care to back that up?

YRemember, it was hard to find the iPad 2 for months after it was released.

To be honest, I've always been very suspicious of that.. if I was wearing my conspiracy hat, and today I am :)D), I'd say that was a way to ramp up more hype around the product. If mainstream media outlets around the world report (and boy, did they ever) that iPad 2 was sold out with weeks of backlog, that creates a postive perception of the product in the minds of the masses. And we all know, perception is everything.

I reckon Apple were okay to forego slightly smaller sales numbers by keeping production low in the short term, to rake it in, in the long term. Smart strategy, if that's what they did.

Both of you are being reasonable, Appleonians don't like that. To an Appleonian, sales numbers are only relevant when it makes Apple look good. 400 million copies of Windows 7= garbage. 40 million iPads=great product by a great company. The mentality is comical, isn't it?

It's not just "Appleonians" that do it. Unfortunately the tech world is full of this type of cr*p. It's called Confirmation Bias
 
I reckon Apple were okay to forego slightly smaller sales numbers by keeping production low in the short term, to rake it in, in the long term. Smart strategy, if that's what they did.

Pretty sure it was a combination of constrained flash storage supplies and LCD displays (They still use two suppliers for this reason). So "hype" may have been a side effect, but they aren't going to hinder sales just to gain notoriety, as if Apple needed media attention... :rolleyes:
 
Yeah that seems to be really important to you doesn't it, like it makes a damn. Ramble on! LOL

context usually matters.

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I agree. Windows 8 looks to be even more promising.
I was just pointing out how So many of the blind followers of Apple like to go by sales numbers when it suits them. So if they want to use sales numbers to equate to a superior product, they need to be ready to concede Windows OS as a superior product to OS X for that very reason. Which they don't want to do.

Well, W8 will certainly boost the slate/hybrid market in ways Android cannot. Further, by taking the already proven W7 and in offering an even better version of it (scales better, better use of resources etc.) maybe everyone sitting on xp with vista (somewhat) fresh in their mind will decide its time to make the launch. After all, with the virtual xp MSFT throws in the box, theres way less risk involved too.
 
When one company or product dominates the market share, it's usually a really bad thing for the consumers. Samsung and other companies must survive in tablet and smartphone markets and compete with Apple so we consumers can benefit from the healthy competition!

Folks, you guys must start buying Android phones and tablets!! Seriously!!




I'm keeping my macbook pro, iphone and ipad though. :D

LOLLL! That was the funniest thing I've read all day. :p
 
Competitions between awesome products are always welcome, however, how often do that happen? iPhone is the best smartphone out there. Certain android smartphone is competitive, but majority of them are not worthy!! I think Samsung has the best smartphone because they have been providing parts for the iPhone for a few years now. Plus, the os has matured for smartphone. Galaxy tab has a nice hardware (copied apple), but awful os ( not matured yet).
 
Competitions between awesome products are always welcome, however, how often do that happen? iPhone is the best smartphone out there. Certain android smartphone is competitive, but majority of them are not worthy!! I think Samsung has the best smartphone because they have been providing parts for the iPhone for a few years now. Plus, the os has matured for smartphone. Galaxy tab has a nice hardware (copied apple), but awful os ( not matured yet).

Hahah... Mister mister, you pha-ny! Pha-ny!
 
Buy something expensive made by Brand A, and get something less expensive (also made by Brand A) for free as an incentive.

Since when did that mean that the item(s) were having difficulties 'gaining consumer acceptance'?

I guess, by the same thinking, Apple were having difficulties gaining consumer acceptance for their iPod nanos and iPod touches. (er, no they weren't)
 
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Too bad the Galaxy is having trouble. I just got one to develop with, and the OS is really nice in a tablet.

Edit: lol downvotes. This community has turned ridiculous.

Really, you liked the Galaxy? We also got one to develop against, along with a Motorola Xoom. We're running Honeycomb on both. I find Android just a second-rate experience as compared to the iPad or iPhone, that I just can't get past how clunky it feels. UI speed aside, the interaction model is too spread out. They offer 2 or 3 ways to do nearly everything, so you're constantly trying to figure out which paradigm is going to make the most sense at any given moment.

In general, Android has a long, long, way to go before it's as usable as Apple products. I'm not saying Apple's current crop is perfection, but it's by far the best thing out there right now.

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Buy something expensive made by Brand A, and get something less expensive (also made by Brand A) for free as an incentive.

Since when did that mean that the item(s) were having difficulties 'gaining consumer acceptance'?

I guess, by the same thinking, Apple were having difficulties gaining consumer acceptance for their iPod nanos and iPod touches. (er, no they weren't)

You're not comparing Oranges to Oranges. There are some similarities, but also a lot of differences in your analogy.

Apple gives away iPod touches to students to sell music and apps to a segment of the population that might not already have an iPhone. They're not have trouble with market adoption (look at the numbers), they're cultivating future customers and giving people a vessel by which they can buy more stuff through Apple– the App Store and iTunes

Samsung, on the other hand, is selling Galaxy Tab's to drive market adoption. Samsung doesn't make any money in the secondary markets of app sales or music. They only make money when they sell the hardware, unlike Apple. So when they give away a Galaxy Tab, they're doing that to get their product into the hands of influencers and the public in general. Also, looking at the numbers, they have almost no market penetration.

You give away stuff for lots of reasons, but Samsung is giving away Galaxy Tabs for one reason only-- market penetration. You might argue it would also sell some TV's, but I think that's a second bet. TV sales are down overall, even excellent ones like the models being sold by Samsung.

I'm in the market for their 8000 line 55" 3D TV. The latest promotion gives you 2 free pairs of 3D glasses and a free 3D-BD player. That's much more appealing to me, but maybe the Galaxy Tab would be more appealing to other folks?
 
Really, you liked the Galaxy? We also got one to develop against, along with a Motorola Xoom. We're running Honeycomb on both. I find Android just a second-rate experience as compared to the iPad or iPhone, that I just can't get past how clunky it feels. UI speed aside, the interaction model is too spread out. They offer 2 or 3 ways to do nearly everything, so you're constantly trying to figure out which paradigm is going to make the most sense at any given moment.

In general, Android has a long, long, way to go before it's as usable as Apple products. I'm not saying Apple's current crop is perfection, but it's by far the best thing out there right now.

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You're not comparing Oranges to Oranges. There are some similarities, but also a lot of differences in your analogy.

Apple gives away iPod touches to students to sell music and apps to a segment of the population that might not already have an iPhone. They're not have trouble with market adoption (look at the numbers), they're cultivating future customers and giving people a vessel by which they can buy more stuff through Apple– the App Store and iTunes

Samsung, on the other hand, is selling Galaxy Tab's to drive market adoption. Samsung doesn't make any money in the secondary markets of app sales or music. They only make money when they sell the hardware, unlike Apple. So when they give away a Galaxy Tab, they're doing that to get their product into the hands of influencers and the public in general. Also, looking at the numbers, they have almost no market penetration.

You give away stuff for lots of reasons, but Samsung is giving away Galaxy Tabs for one reason only-- market penetration. You might argue it would also sell some TV's, but I think that's a second bet. TV sales are down overall, even excellent ones like the models being sold by Samsung.

I'm in the market for their 8000 line 55" 3D TV. The latest promotion gives you 2 free pairs of 3D glasses and a free 3D-BD player. That's much more appealing to me, but maybe the Galaxy Tab would be more appealing to other folks?

This is what i fail to compute. TV sales are down, 3D adoption just aint happening. And yet, they want to use 3DTVs to get market penetration with their tablet? What difference will a couple of thousand (a high figure, no?) of Tabs make in the end? Its a piss in the nile so to speak.
 
My point? I was wondering if this is a new TV, or an old TV in a new package (like so many times before in this industry). Valid question, imo.

Oh. Same TV.

Cater for your consumers, not everyone else.

Exactly why I buy Apple products. They push the envelope like nobody else while simultaneously maintaining a philosophy that their devices should not require end-users be geeks to master.

I'm with you that I would not mind even a little more control in the app store. However, since they've instituted the changes a year ago that upped the bar for accepted apps, I'm seeing much less crapware.


Fail to see how the connection.

Typical cycle when Apple tries to innovate:

1) Shock - "How could they kill <insert outdated or bug-ridden technology> on their devices?":eek:

2) Anger - "Who the hell does Steve Jobs/Apple think he is/they are?"::mad:

3) Bargaining (in some cases) - "I'll show them. I'm getting a <insert Apple competitor> device next.":D

4) Depression - "Wow. The alternatives to Apple really blow!":(

5) Acceptance/Epiphany - "Gee. I really didn't need <insert outdated or bug-ridden technology> after all. My device works so much better, and the rest of the tech industry has followed Apple's lead. Even the harshest critics have done a 180 and now are mimicking Apple.":)

As I mentioned to someone else in this thread, we live in a day and age when demagoguery and schadenfreude are de rigueur. Many people love seeing someone at the top fail, so even Apple has to temper how fast they innovate. No other phone, for example, is scrutinized as much as the iPhone. "Antennagate" and "Glassgate" turned out, in the end, to be much ado about nothing but obviously caused the loss of some sales.

Ah, ok. Never cared much for Android (or iToys for that matter, not due to the products themselves but due to Jobs vision and ideals clashing with my own).
Maybe so.

Gee, it sounds like you and Jobs are pretty simpatico from some of your comments.

No idea about the margins on these babies. From what i read here they marked it up a few hundred bucks. If so, i'd say the device is pretty much covered. That said, tabs are probably not flying off the shelves. The promo much still make sense though, even if they were (if we assume that they primarily want to move TVs).

Prior to Promotion

TV + 3D Starter Kit = $1999.99

During Promotion

Same TV + relatively similar 3D Starter Kit as before but minus cheap Blu-Ray player + Galaxy Tab = $1999.99.

We agree the tablets are not flying off the shelves, as are the TVs. However, as I show above, it looks like they may be taking a bath with the tablets.

Many devoted followers makes selling big easy :- )

Indeed, but the iPad is being embraced at breakneck speed in areas where the iPhone has only recently begun making inroads. In particular, the enterprise market.

My guess is that its about the future. 3d is a premium feature, with high margins. If they can kick start adoption they (both sammy and bb) could earn a nice buck. (right now electronics such as TVs are crummy deals for both producers and resellers. heck, in sweden the big ones have been running loss-strategies for years in the fight for market shares. just a couple of weeks ago one of the largest resellers ended up filing for bankruptcy because of it.

Sorry to hear about the retailer in Sweden. I agree about most electronics suffer from slim margins, especially HDTVs. I, for one, am pessimistic about an Apple HDTV ever seeing the light of day for that reason. I'd rather they just keep adding features to the inexpensive AppleTV.

BTW, one of my college roommates was from near Stockholm. Very cool guy.

Not sure if anyone ever thought the tab would outsell the pad. Apple is the hip product right now. Hip products generally are hard to beat, regardless of what competitors are offering (like i said to someone else the other day: ask your mom/wife/whatever what brand of jeans that was the **** back then, and how much money they would spend just to have'm).

I believe Samsung hoped the Galaxy Tab would be a hit and take a reasonable amount of the profit pie Apple is enjoying with the iPad. However, between Apple's strength with obtaining great parts at highly competitive prices, a great UI, terrific available apps, and the fact that the Android tablet market is somewhat of a cacophony, the iPad continues to be the standard-bearer all are measured against.

Once again: This promo will not create any volumes to speak of. As such, they make very little difference as far as the tab goes. Simple as that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Best Buy approached Samsung and said, "You need to give some sort of incentive to customers to get these tablets sold. They're not moving." Samsung is hoping one poor selling product (3DTV) + another poor selling product (Galaxy Tab) = win. As the article I linked to points out, that might be considered fuzzy math. ;) You're right, though. I don't think it will really make a significant dent but just may minimize a little of the pain.
 
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I reckon Apple were okay to forego slightly smaller sales numbers by keeping production low in the short term, to rake it in, in the long term. Smart strategy, if that's what they did.

I can't blame you for being suspicious (*COUGH* Wii *COUGH*;)), but I don't think Apple has a track record of such shenanigans. Also, it tends to piss off shareholders, which Apple did two quarters ago when they missed expectations on iPad sales, partially due to said production problems.

Research firms have looked into the iPad 2 production difficulties, and I have yet to see one that came to the conclusion Apple was trying to artificially create hyped-up demand from it. In fact, it appears Apple actually took a hit by buying more expensive parts in order to keep up with demand.

Apple's first-quarter supply of the iPad 2 fell far short of demand, according to the researcher, saying production faced manufacturing difficulties, which combined with strong demand, led to short supplies of the device. The issues, according to sources, include quality concerns with liquid crystal display panels and production shortages of the new speaker.

IHS iSuppli added the challenges weren't related to last month's earthquake and tsunami in Japan, as Apple appeared to move more aggressively than its competitors to mitigate any potential supply chain disruptions from that region.

Within days of the disaster, IHS iSuppli said Apple had executives in Asia ensuring that its components supply chain would support iPad 2 shipment plans this year. Meanwhile, the company reportedly agreed to higher pricing, where necessary, to secure needed components.

Unless IHS iSuppli is a shill for Apple, I'm hesitant to think otherwise.
 
Oh. Same TV.
g8ess it makes sense to offload it then...



Exactly why I buy Apple products. They push the envelope like nobody else while simultaneously maintaining a philosophy that their devices should not require end-users be geeks to master.

had a nice talk with my sysadm today. we both agreed that apple will dominate the top end tablet market for years to come.


I'm with you that I would not mind even a little more control in the app store. However, since they've instituted the changes a year ago that upped the bar for accepted apps, I'm seeing much less crapware.
they still could do much more. if i had an ipad i sure as hell would like them to filter out the app that make a difference from the crapps that only that up space.



Typical cycle when Apple tries to innovate:

1) Shock - "How could they kill <insert outdated or bug-ridden technology> on their devices?":eek:

2) Anger - "Who the hell does Steve Jobs/Apple think he is/they are?"::mad:

3) Bargaining (in some cases) - "I'll show them. I'm getting a <insert Apple competitor> device next.":D

4) Depression - "Wow. The alternatives to Apple really blow!":(

5) Acceptance/Epiphany - "Gee. I really didn't need <insert outdated or bug-ridden technology> after all. My device works so much better, and the rest of the tech industry has followed Apple's lead. Even the harshest critics have done a 180 and now are mimicking Apple.":)

when it comes to the ipad ill think apple was too early for as long as i live.

As I mentioned to someone else in this thread, we live in a day and age when demagoguery and schadenfreude are de rigueur. Many people love seeing someone at the top fail, so even Apple has to temper how fast they innovate. No other phone, for example, is scrutinized as much as the iPhone. "Antennagate" and "Glassgate" turned out, in the end, to be much ado about nothing but obviously caused the loss of some sales.



Gee, it sounds like you and Jobs are pretty simpatico from some of your comments.



Prior to Promotion

TV + 3D Starter Kit = $1999.99

During Promotion

Same TV + relatively similar 3D Starter Kit as before but minus cheap Blu-Ray player + Galaxy Tab = $1999.99.

We agree the tablets are not flying off the shelves, as are the TVs. However, as I show above, it looks like they may be taking a bath with the tablets.



Indeed, but the iPad is being embraced at breakneck speed in areas where the iPhone has only recently begun making inroads. In particular, the enterprise market.



Sorry to hear about the retailer in Sweden. I agree about most electronics suffer from slim margins, especially HDTVs. I, for one, am pessimistic about an Apple HDTV ever seeing the light of day for that reason. I'd rather they just keep adding features to the inexpensive AppleTV.

BTW, one of my college roommates was from near Stockholm. Very cool guy.



I believe Samsung hoped the Galaxy Tab would be a hit and take a reasonable amount of the profit pie Apple is enjoying with the iPad. However, between Apple's strength with obtaining great parts at highly competitive prices, a great UI, terrific available apps, and the fact that the Android tablet market is somewhat of a cacophony, the iPad continues to be the standard-bearer all are measured against.



I wouldn't be surprised if Best Buy approached Samsung and said, "You need to give some sort of incentive to customers to get these tablets sold. They're not moving." Samsung is hoping one poor selling product (3DTV) + another poor selling product (Galaxy Tab) = win. As the article I linked to points out, that might be considered fuzzy math. ;) You're right, though. I don't think it will really make a significant dent but just may minimize a little of the pain.[/QUOTE]

no idea what im sposed to say.
 
It's weird people are surprised by this, it's pretty common for big box retailers to bundle items like this, especially in back to school time.. microsoft xbox free with laptop, ps3 free with vizio tv, it's pretty common and doesn't mean any company is faltering, and you would know samsung has a good grasp on the tablet market if you ever used a tab.. I have a tab and an ipad.. not going to argue with people on the internet because that's dumb but it's clear which is the most versatile of the two devices
 
Theres a difference between buying a 600$ tv and getting a crappy tablet free and buying a 20,000$ car and getting a quality tablet free. :apple:

Your comment just shows how much you are ignorant in regards to the Samsung galaxy tab 10.1, if you would be less narrow minded and actually try the tablet you would know that the Samsung galaxy tab is 10x more advanced than the iPad2!!!

I am commenting because at least I own both of them and see myself fit to actually comment about it instead to follow your methodology to repeat what other none knowledgble member are posting!!

Crappy tablet you say, go and see how many components for the iPad are manufactured by Samsung!!
 
Prior to Promotion

TV + 3D Starter Kit = $1999.99

During Promotion

Same TV + relatively similar 3D Starter Kit as before but minus cheap Blu-Ray player + Galaxy Tab = $1999.99.

We agree the tablets are not flying off the shelves, as are the TVs. However, as I show above, it looks like they may be taking a bath with the tablets.

And what makes you think that? The TV in the promo is a BBY exclusive model and I guarantee it has a good amount of margin built into it. Notice that only the BBY exclusive models are involved in the promo and only BBY has this promo. Don't think for a second they're losing any money.

If they really were taking a bath on the GT, might as well sell it for $100 less. Then they would surely sell out.
 
I have a samsung lcd tv, this is great quality "knock on wood" but I feel you are getting a great tv and a great tablet device. a nice win win especially if you were gonna buy a samsung tv anyways
 
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