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ummm, isn't this site basically a big apple fan boy site?? isn't it a place for apple lovers to read about apple stuff?? if you come to this site it's because you love apple stuff and you wanna see what's next, or you're extremely bored and want to flame.
Thanks for pointing out these are 3D. These units both appeared in the US last June, unlike the non-3D Samsungs.
My lingering doubt in the assumption that it is all about moving TVs lies in the amounts being slashed in the promotion. Today, you can buy the 55" that will be part of the promotion for the same price once the promotion starts: $1,999.99. Granted, there is a slight difference between what you currently get for free (Blu-Ray player, glasses and 3D movie) and in the 3D Shrek Starter Kit that's part of the promotion starting tomorrow that includes the free tablet; both are $349.99. The question remains, though, how are they making up the additional $500 loss from the GalaxyTab?
As a side note, it has always been my understanding that one of the things that led to the demise of Circuit City was the slim margins on HDTVs. I have also read more about 3D not catching on with consumers than the other way around (Still only about 160 3D movies for sale and ESPN 3D was just dropped from AT&T due to poor sales.). So maybe it is the TVs just as much as, if not more than, the Galaxy Tab. Hard to say.
*Apologies to the mods for the double post. It would not let me add the following to my most recent one.*
Actually, yes. The more popular the platform, the more developers will be inclined to write apps for it.
Apple has been lucky over the years regarding OS X that, while its marketshare is and was small compared to Windows, a small but dedicated number of gifted developers wrote exclusively for it. However, now, and in large part due to the sizable marketshare iOS enjoys, some new developers are even inclined to write for OS X or port their iOS app over. Besides that halo effect, there is the more often cited halo effect on the buying public which start with owning an iOS device and then leads to buying a Mac.
It is not a case of schadenfreude or even being a fanboy (though I am a fan of Apple products) that I'm posting on this topic. More out of just not wanting a repeat of what happened to Apple in the past; so I'm following the competitions' progress or lack thereof. As I posted in a recent thread regarding HP, most here are not rooting for the negative impact on employees of Apple's rivals. I, for one, hope Apple always has some competition so they'll be inspired to continue to innovate. Just within reason.
Actually, yes. The more popular the platform, the more developers will be inclined to write apps for it.
Apple has been lucky over the years regarding OS X that, while its marketshare is and was small compared to Windows, a small but dedicated number of gifted developers wrote exclusively for it. However, now, and in large part due to the sizable marketshare iOS enjoys, some new developers are even inclined to write for OS X or port their iOS app over. Besides that halo effect, there is the more often cited halo effect on the buying public which start with owning an iOS device and then leads to buying a Mac.
It is not a case of schadenfreude or even being a fanboy (though I am a fan of Apple products) that I'm posting on this topic. More out of just not wanting a repeat of what happened to Apple in the past; so I'm following the competitions' progress or lack thereof. As I posted in a recent thread regarding HP, most here are not rooting for the negative impact on employees of Apple's rivals. I, for one, hope Apple always has some competition so they'll be inspired to continue to innovate. Just within reason.
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What makes you so sure that this is product came out in June this year? Heck, BB doesnt even state clearly what specific model they're talking about (the larger one has a sku: # though). Not saying youre wrong, but based on a picture i saw (somewhere, not sure where) of the tv having that chrome foot, brushed alu etc. i'd say the model itself is "old" (released in 2010 if im not mistaken. sadly, only one model was black alu. - this is pretty much as close as you can get to a matte device these days
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*Apologies to the mods for the double post. It would not let me add the following to my most recent one.*
Actually, yes. The more popular the platform, the more developers will be inclined to write apps for it.
Apple has been lucky over the years regarding OS X that, while its marketshare is small compared to Windows, a small but dedicated number of gifted developers wrote exclusively for it. However, now, and in large part due to the sizable marketshare iOS enjoys, some new developers are even inclined to write for OS X or port their iOS app over to it. Besides that halo effect, there is the more often cited halo effect on the buying public that start with an iOS device and then begin eyeing Macs.
It is not a case of schadenfreude or even being a fanboy (though I am a fan of Apple products) that I'm posting on this topic. More out of just not wanting a repeat of what happened to Apple in the past, and so I'm following the competitions' progress or lack thereof. As I posted in a recent thread regarding HP, most here are not rooting for the negative impact on employees of Apple's competitors. I, for one, hope Apple always has some competition so they'll be inspired to continue to innovate. Just within reason.
Not that one dimensional though. As a platform gets "too popular", developers see their apps being commoditized, with margin-pressure following. This creates a push towards emerging platforms.
(One of the reasons why i believe that Applications (as we know them), for most part, will become an industry asset in the near future.)
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Guess i should've read this before posting what is written above. In the US you say. Any note on when they were first released (anywhere?). Any note on upcoming refreshes? Shouldnt the 9-series be here somewhat soon?
personally, i'd say that its as simple as this. these babies are priced up more than the average itoy. obviously, they are not selling very well - something sammy (and others) would like. With these babies they can (for now) withstand the margin pressure that is pretty much killing companies in this industry as we speak. refresh or no refresh, they really want this tech. to be adopted, the sooner the better.
now, as for the tab: first, they dont need to make up for 500 usd (assuming that is the retail price of the device). depending on who is running this stunt (sammy or bb - or both), they need to cover a) production cost b) whatever bb pays for it. One thing is (somewhat) certain, in the end they are making a net profit on the deal.
Sure, they have some incentives to drive the market through subsidization, but i doubt it. That just opens a whole different box of trouble at lower price-points. Sure, these devices have crap margins, but they sure as hell want to push them at high volumes nonetheless.
Now, (assuming sammy runs the show) is it a coincidence that they bundle the tab? Definitely not. This is actually a market that makes perfect sense to drive through subsidization (as evidenced by sony and msft in the video game industry). Thing is though, this campaign will hardly move volume. Sure, it may increase sales (of the TVs) from close to nothing that somewhat further away from nothing.
Even if we go on a limb and say that they sell 100k units (a bizarre figure), does that really make a difference in the tablet market?
Simple answer: probably not :- )
that said, this is likely to be more about 3d tvs (high margin-low volume business) than anything else.
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Well not exactly. They way I see it, I am getting garbage (the Galaxy) with my nice TV. Where as with the former Back to School deal, getting an iPod touch was truly an added bonus.
Um you have to purchase a T.V that has been marked up to cover the cost of the "give away." And the so called "blind followers" are people who want higher quality on product that will work. Not an after thought as a give away when you buy something. Given the option I choose quality over what others think.
^ They want 3D tech adopted or the Galaxy Tab? Cuz 3D ain't happenin'.
Sure it is, by the time that tech. is mature enough - which will take a few years of course. 3d is nice, just not worth the current price (for most of us).
Are you kidding me? 3D makes me feel sick.
I'm just not a fan of it...
Well, lets add that to "immature tech" then. Who knows, maybe they'll invent no-3d glasses for you 8- )
(but yes, if this proves to be a long-lasting issue it will obviously prevent adoption. few people pay big bucks to get sick after all).
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They do for amusement rides!
divinox said:Are you kidding me? 3D makes me feel sick.
I'm just not a fan of it...
Well, lets add that to "immature tech" then. Who knows, maybe they'll invent no-3d glasses for you 8- )
(but yes, if this proves to be a long-lasting issue it will obviously prevent adoption. few people pay big bucks to get sick after all).
They do for amusement rides!
I wouldn't type on a tablet the way I do on a tactile keyboard, but these gadgets have uses...
Trouble is, buying a "3D" TV to get one for free is not much incentive, especially as 3D is rubbish and I - like most people - have less time TO watch TV. For $2000, I'll buy a Mac Pro, one five college credits (1.25 classes), two licenses of the latest Adobe software, other peripherals or equipment to do or learn work-related things on, or 2/5ths of a "congressman's escort". Even buying three cheap PCs is a better use of the money.
Trouble is, buying a "3D" TV to get one for free is not much incentive, especially as 3D is rubbish and I - like most people - have less time TO watch TV. For $2000, I'll buy a Mac Pro, one five college credits (1.25 classes), two licenses of the latest Adobe software, other peripherals or equipment to do or learn work-related things on, or 2/5ths of a "congressman's escort". Even buying three cheap PCs is a better use of the money.
The TV being sold in the promotion is the 7000 and 8000 series which are the higher end models. Both of them came out in march.
Like I said earlier this is just a way of selling TVs before a price drop.
Samsung, Blackberry and others just got boned by the HP TouchPad firesale.
HP sold almost every TouchPad it had along with all the retailers today with their $99 and $149 sale.
It was seriously like Black Friday today at Walmart, Office Depot, Best Buy (this evening) and other retailers in person and online. I have never seen this much madness since the iPad/iPad2/iPhone. It wasn't as close to it, but there were calls and people running in stores to try to find them. Not in the packs of Apple style, but still..there was lots of interest. You don't sell 250K tablets that fast.
All of a sudden, you now have 250K tablet users (give or take probably 50K that already had an iPad that still got a TP) that don't need a Galaxy or Playbook now.
This is a HUGE blow to the other tablet makers...huge. On top of that, you now have 250K WebOS users and will see a open source/user market appear to work with WebOS stuff.
HP unintentionally just boned the competition by this fire sale.
Everyone of my friends and I just got a HP Touchpad today and lots of us had iPads. And the rest now have their first tablet for $99.
Android, Galaxy, Blackberry just got hurt badly. That's 250K people out of the market for something other then an iPad.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Samsung and RIM have to fire sale their tablets in a few months.
HP sold almost every TouchPad it had along with all the retailers today with their $99 and $149 sale.
It was seriously like Black Friday today at Walmart, Office Depot, Best Buy (this evening) and other retailers in person and online. I have never seen this much madness since the iPad/iPad2/iPhone. It wasn't as close to it, but there were calls and people running in stores to try to find them. Not in the packs of Apple style, but still..there was lots of interest. You don't sell 250K tablets that fast.
All of a sudden, you now have 250K tablet users (give or take probably 50K that already had an iPad that still got a TP) that don't need a Galaxy or Playbook now.
This is a HUGE blow to the other tablet makers...huge. On top of that, you now have 250K WebOS users and will see a open source/user market appear to work with WebOS stuff.
HP unintentionally just boned the competition by this fire sale.
Everyone of my friends and I just got a HP Touchpad today and lots of us had iPads. And the rest now have their first tablet for $99.
Android, Galaxy, Blackberry just got hurt badly. That's 250K people out of the market for something other then an iPad.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Samsung and RIM have to fire sale their tablets in a few months.
Promotion indicating Best Buy SKU of promoted 55" TV: LINK
Best Buy website of SKU device indicates it is the Samsung UN55D6900 LCD TV: LINK
Industry website with ship date listed as June 2011 in the middle two spots below suggested retail price: LINK
True, but the fact that most apps still come first to iOS is a selling point, and good applications can always stand out. Further, devs still find iOS more lucrative than Android even though iOS has more apps.
While I am stepping right into the line of the flame-boys' sights with this next argument, I'm going to risk it. Apple's cultivating of their app store also keeps garbage app numbers down.
In answer to your first question in this last quote, see response one in this post. Also attached are lists for Samsung's 2011 non-3D LED lineup reflecting February through March launches.
I agree with you about Samsung being both the manufacturer of the TV and tablet in the promotion being significant as well as about the possibility that this may be more about pushing the seemingly not so popular 3D TVs as much as the Galaxy Tab. However, nothing I've read anywhere in this thread (not just your post) and elsewhere has persuaded me to disagree with Eric Silvka's assessment that:
In what appears to be another sign of iPad competitors having difficulty gaining customer acceptance, Best Buy yesterday announced a new promotion that sees the leading electronics retailer giving away Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablets with the purchase of select new Samsung 3D high-definition televisions.
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No one's arguing against cheaper prices here. You'll find plenty of threads on MR trying to sniff out better prices on Apple products. The general thought here is that Samsung's 10.1 devices are not very good (even though they may be the closest thing in quality to an iPad), and that Samsung is a company is more interested in putting a product in hand then abandoning it for favor of the newer model.
The 10.1 tablet itself had 2 versions, a fat one and a slim one and Samsung's only interest seemed to be the next, newest product. That they shipped a tablet (their Galaxy Tab 7") with Froyo is another indication that consumer experience wasn't a huge priority for Samsung as much as profits were.
"We don't wanna make a martyr"
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Meanwhile, I'm confident the iPad 1 will run iOS 5 pretty decently.
Not according to the listed SKU on the link in the promotion announcement. See start of post 188 for evidence to the contrary.
No, the $1249 set is the UN46D6420 and it's still $1249 and includes a 3D blu-ray player and 2 3D glasses. This $1499 deal is the UN46D6900, which is a better TV (main differences it has a qwerty remote, built in wifi, a web browser, and micro dimming), the 16 GB Galaxy Tab 10.1, and the Samsung 3D "Starter Kit".
Nope. I got the UN46D6900 for $1099 last week with free 3d starter kit and free blu-ray player.
I bought the D7000 46 inch samsung tv. I got the 3D blu-ray player, 3D glasses and movie for free. I am also getting the 10.1 samsung tablet for free when it arrives in New Zealand, though I am unsure of exactly which version it is.
My question is if anyone has it, what is it like to use? Is it as good as the ipad2 ( I don't own an ipad 2 though). Should i keep the galaxy tablet or sell it and wait for the ipad 3
My question is if anyone has it, what is it like to use? Is it as good as the ipad2 ( I don't own an ipad 2 though). Should i keep the galaxy tablet or sell it and wait for the ipad 3
Don't expect to get an honest and objective answer to that question on these forums, I suggest you try them both and decide for yourself.
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They do for amusement rides!
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since mods didnt get it:
A: 3d makes me sick
B: if lots of people get sick, adoption is unlikely - people dont pay to get sick
A: what about amusement rides?
B: those are about amusement, not getting sick.
What is the difference, panel-wise, between say 55C and 55D? Any clue?
If the lag is substantial, yes ofc. Then again, there are only so many good ideas for apps and a ton of wannabe-appmakers (imo. Apple should've been even stricter on control, that wouldve been a real selling point).
See above. Im also surprised that no one has taken advantage of the mere fact that one can create an app store for the android platform (amazon has, but probably with a different model then the one suggested).
Then i ask once again: Even if we assume that BB has a blow-out and sell 100k devices, what difference would that really make in the end? Now, be more realistic and say theyll off-load what? Less then 10k? How will that make a change, really?
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If you or your friend ever want your money back, let me know. I need a touch-screen to attach to my imac G4. :- )
I think adoption is lot more likely than unlikely. There maybe a small percentage that get sick, but not enough that it will change the direction they are heading. There are likely as many people that get sick from overeating the popcorn as there is from watching a 3D movie.
Amusement rides are about amusement which sometimes leads to folks getting sick, but they go back time and time again.
I think you miss the point. Here you have a chief competitor to the iPad, now giving away their Tablet when you buy one one of there TV's.
The bottom line is that it certainly makes Samsung look pretty bad that they are giving away these things, because you can bet your ass Apple isn't going to give away any of there iPad's.
The number that they unload is not relevant, what is relevant is that it make these Galaxy Tab's appear to have less value in the marketplace. Hell they might as well do what HP is doing.