How can my saying good things about the rMBP be interpreted as criticism of the cMBP?
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How can my saying good things about the rMBP be interpreted as criticism of the cMBP?
What is this, then?
And these:
In fact, many, if not most of your posts in that thread appear to be intended to denigrate the cMBP and claim the rMBP is superior in every way. Every time someone posts an advantage of the cMBP, you seem to be anxious to prove that the advantage doesn't exist. The fact is, the rMBP is not the ideal computer for everyone. If it was, Apple would discontinue all other models and only sell that one. The reason there are so many Mac models is no one computer meets everyone's needs and preferences.
The SSD is removable, just like it is in the MBA. It's not soldered in, like the RAM.
From: MacBook Pro 15" Retina Display Mid 2012 Teardown - Page 2 - iFixit:
Thanks for going to all of that trouble, however I still don't see where I was denigrating the cMBP or someone's decision to buy one. I'm obviously expressing some opinions when I say the rMBP is the best laptop Apple has ever made. I own it, I've touched it, I truly believe that. But the fact that I believe that and say it doesn't insult the cMBP, does it?
When someone says something incorrect about the rMBP I will make an attempt to correct that person, and I will also respond to people making broadly sweeping comments that are not accurate. And yes, I do think you are a glutton for punishment by saying you would NOT trade a 4 year-old computer for a brand new one today. Even an entry level rMBP probably runs rings around your 4 year-old machine, and if someone offered you an even trade you'd rather keep the slower, older machine? How does that not make you a glutton for punishment by picking a slower machine that will take you longer to accomplish your tasks? My 5 year-old 17" MBP is barely usable and beachballs while browsing web pages. Saying you prefer something like this to a brand new Retina MacBook Pro is, at best, pure hyperbole with no basis in reality. Finally, how on earth is any of that a statement about the 2012 cMBP - I thought your point was that I keep putting it down. I can clearly see where you did not agree with my comment about your specific situation, but where in this did I say anything bad about the 2012 cMBP?
Also, looking at the MacBook Pro retina vs non-retina pricing at the Apple Store, it is a no-brainer to get the Retina model from a purely cost standpoint. It's cheaper feature-for-feature! Of course you can upgrade the cMBP elsewhere for less, however my point was based on Apple's pricing because I don't think your everyday MacBook Pro customer is going to be out there on day one swapping out their hard drives for SSDs and tearing out the RAM that came with their machine. They'd rather have it properly outfitted from the start, and with Apple supported components. I could be wrong here, but that's just my gut feeling. I only see enthusiasm in my posts for the rMBP, not criticism of the cMBP. I think you're reading too much into my comments and gleaning something between the lines that I never intended.
When someone says something incorrect about the rMBP I will make an attempt to correct that person, and I will also respond to people making broadly sweeping comments that are not accurate. And yes, I do think you are a glutton for punishment by saying you would NOT trade a 4 year-old computer for a brand new one today. Even an entry level rMBP probably runs rings around your 4 year-old machine, and if someone offered you an even trade you'd rather keep the slower, older machine? How does that not make you a glutton for punishment by picking a slower machine that will take you longer to accomplish your tasks? My 5 year-old 17" MBP is barely usable and beachballs while browsing web pages. Saying you prefer something like this to a brand new Retina MacBook Pro is, at best, pure hyperbole with no basis in reality. Finally, how on earth is any of that a statement about the 2012 cMBP - I thought your point was that I keep putting it down. I can clearly see where you did not agree with my comment about your specific situation, but where in this did I say anything bad about the 2012 cMBP?
Also, looking at the MacBook Pro retina vs non-retina pricing at the Apple Store, it is a no-brainer to get the Retina model from a purely cost standpoint. It's cheaper feature-for-feature! Of course you can upgrade the cMBP elsewhere for less, however my point was based on Apple's pricing because I don't think your everyday MacBook Pro customer is going to be out there on day one swapping out their hard drives for SSDs and tearing out the RAM that came with their machine. They'd rather have it properly outfitted from the start, and with Apple supported components. I could be wrong here, but that's just my gut feeling. I only see enthusiasm in my posts for the rMBP, not criticism of the cMBP. I think you're reading too much into my comments and gleaning something between the lines that I never intended.
I get no such beachballs. My typical use is to simultaneously be playing iTunes music from my 30,000+ song library on my stereo speakers via AirTunes, while running Mail, Skype, Excel, TeamViewer, Preview, TextEdit, Safari (with 5-30+ tabs open), and many other apps, widgets and processes. I don't have page outs, don't have beachballs, don't have crashes, don't have stability or graphics issues or any other problems. Could some tasks be a few seconds quicker with a newer Mac? Sure, but not enough to significantly impact my day. If I needed more speed, I could add more RAM and a SSD quite inexpensively, but I haven't found the need.
Except it doesn't have all the features, most notably for me: anti-glare screen. And I'd be forced to get Mountain Lion, which I don't want or need.
You haven't been paying attention to this forum, where I've seen literally hundreds of threads from MBP owners, doing exactly that! And based on the posts, a great number of these are non-technical people who have never owned a Mac before.
More assumptions, based on ????
Damn it guys! Can you take your negativity and little bitchfest to another thread, forum or hotel room?
I started this thread to say something positive on MR and you demons can't help yourselves from spewing venom and try your best to bring all the energy down.
"Get behind me, Satan!"
I started this thread to say something positive on MR and you demons can't help yourselves from spewing venom and try your best to bring all the energy down.
"Get behind me, Satan!"
Ignore the haters, dude. I haven't had this much fun browsing the internet in a while. The rMBP is THAT good.
You did start on a great positive note, talking about how the rMBP was the best you've ever owned, and recommending others to buy it. What you didn't do was try to make people feel like they were second-class citizens if they didn't buy it or agree with your opinion, or that it was the only Mac that anyone should buy. The rMBP is, indeed, a very fine computer and many, many will find it to be the best they've ever owned, just like you. Where some have crossed the line is to assume that everyone should have the same opinion or make the same decision.
I didn't realize every single MacBook Pro owner posted here at Macrumors.com. You can't draw a general conclusion about an entire population based upon how a small group of individuals behave around the water cooler. You've said I make assumptions, you're making one here as well.
Here is what I actually said: "... They'd rather have it properly outfitted from the start, and with Apple supported components. I could be wrong here, but that's just my gut feeling." I believe I stated quite clearly that this was an assumption I made based on a gut feeling and without any facts. I've already stated this previously, so wow man, you really got me good didn't you?
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The only person you can hold responsible for your feelings is, well, you. Nobody in this thread attacked the non-Retina MacBook Pro. You translate positive comments like "it's a no-brainer from a cost standpoint" and "the rMBP is the best MacBook Pro Apple has ever made" to criticism of something else. When I said you were a "glutton for punishment" (with eye roll) due to your saying that you'd rather keep a 4 year-old MBP than take a free Retina MacBook Pro, you translated that into an attack on the entire MacBook Pro platform when I was simply calling you out on your dramatically over-the-top, and quite ridiculous statement.
Number one - and this really needs to be said - why are you advertising for the MBPR and say the cMBP is inferior in every single way? Never mind claiming au contraire...
Expressing opinions is one thing, it's quite another when it's not one post, not two posts, not three posts, but every post coming from yours truly. Oh you didn't stop there - insult another poster and advertising the MBPR in the same sentence, all the while claiming with your eyes wide open that you are not promoting the MBPR over the cMBP!
Your "enthusiasm" is very misplaced. Moreover, your ego is disgusting.
"If you're good at something, never do it for free." - Heath Ledger as Joker
Number two, the only thing you're really good at is armchair quarterback politics.
Number three, wonder why I likened you to Tony Swash and testerguy? Go to DailyTech, check the comments section of every article related to Apple, then read what they wrote. You sound exactly like those nuts.
Love my new rMBP
I have been using my new rMBP for a couple of days, and having read a lot of threads about problems here, I'd just like to leave my two cents worth of praise for this incredible machine!
It is, by a very long shot, the best machine I've used. Ever.
Screen is absolutely amazing, the speakers are awesome, the speeds blow me away (never had SSD or USB 3 before). And there are so many little details you discover as you use it. Build quality is unrivaled. And that's all hardware, OS X also rocks!
If you are, like I was, concerned about the many problems reported here, don't think twice. Get this!
Apple, you got a true fan here.
I have been using my new rMBP for a couple of days, and having read a lot of threads about problems here, I'd just like to leave my two cents worth of praise for this incredible machine!
It is, by a very long shot, the best machine I've used. Ever.
Screen is absolutely amazing, the speakers are awesome, the speeds blow me away (never had SSD or USB 3 before). And there are so many little details you discover as you use it. Build quality is unrivaled. And that's all hardware, OS X also rocks!
If you are, like I was, concerned about the many problems reported here, don't think twice. Get this!
Apple, you got a true fan here.
I have to agree with the OP as well. The rMBP is hands down the best computer I've ever used. I'm having a blast seeing what it can do.