No, they got mad because the iPad 3 was advertised as having LTE, but it did not support LTE in regions outside the US at launch. It still supported HSPA+.
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Beta 3: 'LTE' to '4G' change
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No, they got mad because the iPad 3 was advertised as having LTE, but it did not support LTE in regions outside the US at launch. It still supported HSPA+.
Source? No network in the UK was using 4G branding before EE came out with LTE. No network ever branded HSPDA+ as 4G in the UK.
However Three does brand their dual-band HSPDA+ network as "Ultrafast" and it actually gets better speeds than EE's overpriced LTE network
Source? No network in the UK was using 4G branding before EE came out with LTE. No network ever branded HSPDA+ as 4G in the UK.
However Three does brand their dual-band HSPDA+ network as "Ultrafast" and it actually gets better speeds than EE's overpriced LTE network
From my understanding, some of my friends over in the UK have told me their carriers advertised HSPA+ as 4G. I know nothing of UK carriers myself, however.
Sorry, misunderstood what you wrote.
I can guarantee you this is untrue and if any of them did that they'd be fined by OFCOM for doing so.
I know, odd how Britain's carriers refuse to follow the naming schemes ITU defines for it's standards, and insist on confusing their consumers.
Since Britain's phone networks only use 4G to mean LTE in the first place, there's no confusion at all. The reason they don't advertise LTE is customers don't know what LTE is, they just know they currently have 3G (which includes everything from UMTS to D-HSPDA+) so 4G is faster. If anything marketing it as LTE is what would cause confusion. Not everyone is a tech nerd remember.
you must be joking if anything brit regulators do protect their customers forcing telcos not to fool them with faux 4g networks like at&t and t mobile do in the us with simple HSPA+ (3g worldwide)
ATT and TMo follow the United Nations ITU regulations for marketing.
3G was CDMA/HSPA upto around 3-7.2 mbps.
4G is HSPA+/DC operating in the 14-42mbps range.
LTE operates beyond up to around 100mbps.
3 very clear tiers.
Define 'faux 4g' is that some other naming scheme the Brits have made up to confuse people?
HSPA+ is not 4G technology it can achieve 4G like speeds but it doesn't use 4G technology so it is not accepted as 4G like LTE is at least in Europe. faux 4G is something we use in this forums to refer at how t mobile and at&t use this term to fool people when in reality they are using 3G technology meaning HSPA+.
So you're saying LTE is 5G then?
HSPDA+ is just faster 3G, it's not next generation technology, calling it 4G is deceptive.
HSPA+ is still 3G. Notice 3G is "HSPA". It's still HSPA. It's still 3G technology.
Think of it how iPhones upgrade. Upgrading the 4 to the 4S offers improvements, such as being slightly faster, but compared to the 5, it's (the 5) a whole new device generation.
HSPA+ is not "new" technology worthing of being called 4G.
Also, "CDMA" is not a type of data connection, it's a type of cellular infrastructure. EV-DO is the 3G connection for CDMA networks.
Beta 3: 'LTE' to '4G' change
Who made you an authority on what constitutes "4G technology". The United Nations International Telecommunications Union says HSPA+ is 4G. Are you some authority above them?
ATT and TMo follow Internationally accepted naming conventions to avoid confusion.
Who made you an authority on what constitutes "4G technology". The United Nations International Telecommunications Union says HSPA+ is 4G. Are you some authority above them?
ATT and TMo follow Internationally accepted naming conventions to avoid confusion.
So you're saying you know how the technology works better than the people who create and define it.
This gets more and more hilarious
opcorn:So you're saying you know how the technology works better than the people who create and define it.
This gets more and more hilarious
UNITU didn't make the technology. That's like saying the FDA makes all the food.
In fact, even LTE isn't true 4G, as it doesn't fit the 3GPP standard for true 4G, however, ITU decides to call it 4G.
The ITU can "define" all they want, but they can't magically change the technology. HSPA+ is not 4G.
you look ridiculous defending telcos for shady move. there is a reason why 4G (HSPA+) never showed in european carriers for the iPhone 4S. Instead it showed 3G because IT IS 3G!!!
I started out lambasting the British carriers for confusing their consumers by not following clearly defined internationally accepted standards for naming conventions.
It would be as if they marketed all their 802.11N products as 802.11G.
No, it wouldn't be like that at all.
802.11N and 802.11G are advertised as what they are, part of the 802.11 protocol.
Calling HSPA+ "4G" is not advertising what it is. HSPA is a 3G protocol and HSPA+ is an improvement upon that protocol. HSPA and HSPA+ are the same data protocol. For comparison, HSPA would be like 802.11G, while HSPA+ would be like 802.11N.
Literally, even in the definition of HSPA+:
HSPA+ is literally just faster 3G. That's all it is. That's what the technology is. If the ITU wants to call HSPA+ "4G" they can if they want to, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still 3G.
Even modern day LTE-A, which is the LTE used around the world currently, isn't even 4G. the ITU actually had to change their own stance so that LTE and WiMax would "officially" be called 4G, since neither could reach the 1Gbit/s (125MB/s) download speed that was required. (LTE only has 300Mbits/s, HSPA+ 168Mbits/s)
If the FDA all the sudden decided to change the name of the banana to "moonfruit", does that change the fact that it's still a banana?
Also, seriously, calm down. It's a name. It's not like fires are going to start across the world and the seas will fill with blood or anything.
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This is flat out wrong. Only in America did AT&T get HSPA+ called 4G. Here, with Telstra like the OP, we are on LTE but the icon has changed to 4G in the status bar.
Also wrong. The iPad 3 compatibility issue has nothing to do with the iPhone 5 which runs true LTE on the Telstra network.
Faux 4G is the HSPA+ AT&T call their "4G" network in many places.
Here in Australia the HSPA+ network on Telstra is a 3G service. Same speeds, different name.
So, there is marketing confusion about 4G and LTE (thanks to pressure from American networks.) But none of that answers the OPs (and my) question about why LTE in the iPhone 5 status bar has changed to 4G. I suspect a carrier update will change it back at some point, and I assume data speeds are LTE. (Will test.)
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Just to break the discussion flow here , in Singapore also, LTE symbol has changed to 4G ... and for sure we have LTE here
So I believe, Apple is just changing their internal definitions of LTE/4G or it has to do with the handling of the new basebands
So I believe, Apple is just changing their internal definitions of LTE/4G or it has to do with the handling of the new basebands
As mentioned in some previous replies LTE still shows up for many other people (like on Verizon in US, and AT&T, and various other carriers it seems).
I didn't realize that Telstra was outside NA. I'm not very familiar with carriers that aren't in the US/Canada.
Chances are it's just the carrier profile isn't updated yet, so it's defaulting to "4G" like it does on US models.
Then again, since the International GSM model is the same as the US CDMA model, that's really interesting....