Beware: Get a copy of High Sierra before installing Mojave!

[TokMok3]

Woo hoo! Never give up!

my fave thing about mojave is how it gives all those on this forum who railed against high sierra, the chance to now warn us to revert to high sierra ; there are people who hate each new OS, & think it was better 'before'.... then the cycle will repeat next year ("revert to mojave!").

mojave is fast & stable on both my macs, and am (mostly) happy. but watching the whining and 'the sky is falling' threads here is, at least, entertaining...

Please don't get me wrong, I think Mojave is faster than High Sierra, it has some great features which I use a lot, like the new screen capturing and recording the screen or being able to scan a document with my iPhone and sent it directly to my desktop on my MacBook, to name a few. But for the work that I do, I can't afford to loose data because the operating system is unstable. My MacBook can't wake up after sleep, and that's enough for me to not use it.

I will install Mojave next year, that's for sure, but for now.. I will stay with High Sierra.

 

[DeltaMac]

And - that High Sierra link worked for me a hour ago (download started and all that.)
Now, trying again, I get "Cannot Connect to App Store"

 

[drlunanerd]

And - that High Sierra link worked for me a hour ago (download started and all that.)
Now, trying again, I get "Cannot Connect to App Store"

I guess you owe me a beer - I provided you with a link that works.... sometimes

So it looks like Apple have some issues with the new MAS on Mojave.
The good news is downloading older macOS versions should work consistently once they fix it.

 

[TokMok3]

And - that High Sierra link worked for me a hour ago (download started and all that.)
Now, trying again, I get "Cannot Connect to App Store"

Unbelievable... This is joke. I was able to download it, I'm going to start to make the usb install drive to install it.

 

[MIKX]

For the future . . ..

When you first download an OS X full installer it downlaods to your Applications folder.

BEFORE installing. . . create a folder on another HDD/SSD perhaps titled " OS X Installations " and within that folder create one more titled eg : " High Sierra " . . now copy the High Sierra FULL installer to that relevant folder.

I have every FULL installer plus Combos since OS X 10.4 Tiger right up to High Sierra.

Really helps at times.

 

[0009827]

my fave thing about mojave is how it gives all those on this forum who railed against high sierra, the chance to now warn us to revert to high sierra ; there are people who hate each new OS, & think it was better 'before'.... then the cycle will repeat next year ("revert to mojave!").

mojave is fast & stable on both my macs, and am (mostly) happy. but watching the whining and 'the sky is falling' threads here is, at least, entertaining...

Normally because every single .0 , .1 , .2 release sucks and only after some months and plenty updates does the o.s become half decent. Nothing to do with whining- fixed yearly release cycles force sloppy coding.

 

[fisherking]

I hear you. But to be fair there are genuine serious bugs in Mojave that some people are discovering. Some have no choice but to roll back to continue working.

And then for sure you have the whiners

there are issues; there are always issues. but if only some people are having a problem, it's not a 'univeral' issue. still, of course, it needs to be addressed. either way, EVERY version of the OS will have bugs, problems; it's the absolute nature of software. so, perhaps, more useful to ask for help than throw one's hands in the air in despair...
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Normally because every single .0 , .1 , .2 release sucks and only after some months and plenty updates does the o.s become half decent. Nothing to do with whining- fixed yearly release cycles force sloppy coding.

most of the betas were really great (check the posts on this very forum); disproves your theory (as does, for myself anyway, most of my OS and beta experience).

 

[s15119]

I hate Apple tactics to force users to its will, I tried Mojave since Monday and yesterday I noticed that it can't wake up from sleep. I did a clean install. Yesterday I decided to reinstall High Sierra but I can't find a way to download High Sierra.

Lesson learned... have a copy of the previous OS before installing the latest and greatest.

How exactly did Apple force you to do a clean install of Mojave? Did someone come put a gun to your head?

sigh.

 

[0009827]

How exactly did Apple force you to do a clean install of Mojave? Did someone come put a gun to your head?

sigh.

Don’t blame the donkey for trying to eat the carrot.

 

[Apple_Robert]

If you need to download High Sierra, here is a working link. Look for the blue link 3/4 down on the page.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208969

 

[TokMok3]

How exactly did Apple force you to do a clean install of Mojave? Did someone come put a gun to your head?

sigh.

I made the mistake of installing Mojave in my production machine and that cost me money by not being able to reinstall High Sierra and continue with my work, instead I had to spend 24 hours searching for a link that works to download High Sierra.

sigh.

 

[fisherking]

I made the mistake of installing Mojave in my production machine and that cost me money by not being able to reinstall High Sierra and continue with my work, instead I had to spend 24 hours searching for a link that works to download High Sierra.

sigh.

or you could have spent perhaps less time getting your issue resolved... just a thought.

 

[ivnj]

Or partition the hd in 2. Half mojave and HS.

 

[DeltaMac]

If you need to download High Sierra, here is a working link. Look for the blue link 3/4 down on the page.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208969

hmm... That link may work for you --- but others here (like me!) tried that same link earlier today. Worked for me on first try (and could start a download of High Sierra), then tried a second time, less than 2 hours later, and that same link would get to the App Store, and then throw a "Cannot connect to App Store" error. Tried the various possible fixes of removing caches, resetting the DNS settings, some other items, but so far, no progress to get connected for another High Sierra download.
The same process (and the same linked page) works every time, when I am booted to a Sierra backup. Someone suggested that it could be a DNS problem. I use precisely the same DNS servers, and other network setup on both Sierra, and now Mojave. Sierra works every time. Mojave seems to be a crapshoot, at least for downloading installers from Apple's servers.

 

[tywebb13]

I hate Apple tactics to force users to its will, I tried Mojave since Monday and yesterday I noticed that it can't wake up from sleep. I did a clean install. Yesterday I decided to reinstall High Sierra but I can't find a way to download High Sierra.

Lesson learned... have a copy of the previous OS before installing the latest and greatest.

Easy work around for me is to boot to my backup drive, which has either Yosemite or Sierra as alternatives.Either of those systems will let me download older installers, if I want to do that.
Mojave, not at all (other than a python script that provides access to High Sierra).

DeltaMac is right about the python script. In particular, you can use the python script installinstallmacos.py to download high sierra via terminal instead of the mac app store or software update preference pane.

And it works in mojave.

I put more thorough instructions here : https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...pport-for-itunes.2126709/page-7#post-26243593

 

[TokMok3]

there are issues; there are always issues. but if only some people are having a problem, it's not a 'univeral' issue. still, of course, it needs to be addressed. either way, EVERY version of the OS will have bugs, problems; it's the absolute nature of software. so, perhaps, more useful to ask for help than throw one's hands in the air in despair...
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most of the betas were really great (check the posts on this very forum); disproves your theory (as does, for myself anyway, most of my OS and beta experience).

Well, first you stated clearly that software has issues, that always have issues, second you stated clearly that EVERY version of the OS will have bugs and problems, then you concluded that all those bugs are the absolute nature of the software, and finally you accepted that you use beta software...

Conclusion by using your own logic: Software has bugs because that is the nature of software, and I agree with that, that's why I started this post to warn users of the bugs in Mojave, and if they decide to install it, to download a copy of High Sierra in case something goes wrong. If you have read all the messages, it was difficult to download a copy of High Sierra with Mojave 48 hours ago. Why that was happening? I don't know, only Apple knows that.

 

[fisherking]

Well, first you stated clearly that software has issues, that always have issues, second you stated clearly that EVERY version of the OS will have bugs and problems, then you concluded that all those bugs are the absolute nature of the software, and finally you accepted that you use beta software...

Conclusion by using your own logic: Software has bugs because that is the nature of software, and I agree with that, that's why I started this post to warn users of the bugs in Mojave, and if they decide to install it, to download a copy of High Sierra in case something goes wrong. If you have read all the messages, it was difficult to download a copy of High Sierra with Mojave 48 hours ago. Why that was happening? I don't know, only Apple knows that.

or you can get help with the issue you're having, and stay with mojave. more than any other (public-beta-tested mac OS), this one's done great, at least, judging from the comments on this very forum over the last several months (and my own experiences on my 2 macs).

there are always choices; one can, of course, revert to an earlier OS, or... one can get help with an issue, and move forward.

i just find it amusing that people are being sent back to HS, which was so often reviled on this forum. suddenly, it's a place to return to...

we'll repeat all these same patterns with next year's OS; ad infinitum....

 

[Apple_Robert]

or you can get help with the issue you're having, and stay with mojave. more than any other (public-beta-tested mac OS), this one's done great, at least, judging from the comments on this very forum over the last several months (and my own experiences on my 2 macs).

there are always choices; one can, of course, revert to an earlier OS, or... one can get help with an issue, and move forward.

i just find it amusing that people are being sent back to HS, which was so often reviled on this forum. suddenly, it's a place to return to...

we'll repeat all these same patterns with next year's OS; ad infinitum....

In my opinion, Mojave is much better than High Sierra.

 

[Fishrrman]

I just tried this link:
https://itunes.apple.com/app/macos-high-sierra/id1246284741?mt=12

And it's working this morning.

Let me give you at tip:
Once you've downloaded the installer, DON'T RUN IT right off the bat.
It will be downloaded into your Applications folder.
MAKE A COPY of it somewhere.
Yes, it takes a lot of space, but make the copy anyway.

Now you have the final release version of HS and you won't have to hunt for it again...

(I have archival copies of all the Mac OS installers back to around Panther...)

 

[ChrisChaval]

once you have downloaded the installer of the new os and before starting the upgrade procedure:

just copy it from the applications folder to a new secure location, as Mac OS will delete it automatically after having upgraded your OS

did that for every os that came and went since .. I do not remember

just keep the installer files, at least until you know you are safe with the new os

sometimes older installers come in handy for clean installs on older machines, too

you might even want to install the new OS on a separate partition / volume (thank you APFS), while keeping the previous one to revert back to if needed

 

[DeltaMac]

I just tried this link:
https://itunes.apple.com/app/macos-high-sierra/id1246284741?mt=12

And it's working this morning.

Let me give you at tip:
Once you've downloaded the installer, DON'T RUN IT right off the bat.
It will be downloaded into your Applications folder.
MAKE A COPY of it somewhere.
Yes, it takes a lot of space, but make the copy anyway.

Now you have the final release version of HS and you won't have to hunt for it again...

(I have archival copies of all the Mac OS installers back to around Panther...)

And, similar to past posts - that link might work for some, at least once, or twice. DOES NOT work for me this morning - I get another Cannot Connect to App Store when everything else about the App Store is working, just that one link to get to a macOS installer.

I do like your other tip. I also have a collection of OS X installers back to Tiger. But, I do random Mac service for a small PC shop, and sometimes I get caught out without my collection, and find that I need Yosemite for a reinstall. So, I sign in to App Store, wherever I am, and download the full installer. Can't do that now when booted to a Mojave system.
If I have a High Sierra system (or something older) I can go straight to an older download.
Early Mojave betas had another screen that showed old purchases (such as Yosemite), but that screen no longer appears in Mojave. It was offered after showing the account screen for "Hidden Purchases". Click on the Done button, and another list appeared showing older system installers --- does not appear, but returns to the normal "Purchased" screen -- but without any OS X or macOS installers listed.
Just slightly annoying - as I do already have copies of all those previous systems, but can't download (such as when Apple decided to "update" the security info in the installer, and older installers downloaded before a certain date no longer worked. Apple has not done this again recently, but wouldn't surprise me if that happens.
And, I can easily boot to an older system to download as needed --- but why should I have to do that?

 

[Riwam]

I just tried this link:
https://itunes.apple.com/app/macos-high-sierra/id1246284741?mt=12


Now you have the final release version of HS and you won't have to hunt for it again...

One thing I don't understand.
If I want to proceed, as suggested, and keep a copy of the Sierra installer, I don't get from Apple, as would be logical, the final release of it but the very first one.
Should I want to install again a working Sierra system I would need to update it to the latest release.
What is the logic behind it?
Does someone know it?
Ed

 

[Lioness~]

Let me give you at tip:

MAKE A COPY of it somewhere.
Yes, it takes a lot of space, but make the copy anyway.

Now you have the final release version of HS and you won't have to hunt for it again...

(I have archival copies of all the Mac OS installers back to around Panther...)

Oh ****, I only have back to Lion on an external HD, you have Panther
Always save the installers, and it's always been handy to have.

 

[DeltaMac]

One thing I don't understand.
If I want to proceed, as suggested, and keep a copy of the Sierra installer, I don't get from Apple, as would be logical, the final release of it but the very first one.
Should I want to install again a working Sierra system I would need to update it to the latest release.
What is the logic behind it?
Does someone know it?
Ed

I can answer your question:
If you download the full Sierra installer from Apple, you get the latest version (which would install the full macOS version 10.12.6)
Whoever told you that downloading from the App Store gets the "very first one" is incorrect - unless that very first version actually is the latest version, such as downloading Mojave - Latest is the first version.
But, download Sierra from the App Store, and you get 10.12.6
I haven't installed Sierra fresh on a Mac recently, but you would not need any big updates, other than an iTunes update, and maybe a security update, and some others like Pages and Numbers- but you would already be up-to-date with macOS version 10.12.6

 

[mikzn]

Let me give you at tip:
Once you've downloaded the installer, DON'T RUN IT right off the bat.
It will be downloaded into your Applications folder.
MAKE A COPY of it somewhere.
Yes, it takes a lot of space, but make the copy anyway.

Now you have the final release version of HS and you won't have to hunt for it again...

(I have archival copies of all the Mac OS installers back to around Panther...)

I do this too and FWIW - I am beginning to wonder if there is a time limit built into any OS images that are stored locally.

I recently was trying to use a archived copy of El Capitan to install on a new empty SSD and it would not install and I got a message that there was a problem with the install app - I had used this archived version several times in the past (it always worked fine) and now suddenly it did not work.

I was able to download it and was fine with the new download - but it made me wonder if apple puts a time limit on how long a downloaded OS installer will function.