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NOt much of a change if you ask me. Speakers were there the whole time, even in the 1st gen. (alerts sounds, type clicks??) Now Apple just decided to turn them up. The volume rockers were needed but they should have been on the first gen ipod touch. Nike+?? Great what if you're not a runner?... a wasted add on.

A built in Camera or GPS would have sealed the deal for me. Cmon.. if every cheep phone manufacturer can build a camera into a dinky phone so can apple include a camera in it's Ipod touch line. I guess i'm waiting till the next update.

don't complain about it. why? if you don't want, why don't you make it for yourself? but you can't. I think new touch is great. built-in speaker, volume controller were not expected. but they added them all together! GPS? I don't know about you. but I don't care. I have GPS in my car. I don't need another one anymore. plus, in a city, GPS is not really big deal anyway.
 
....A built in Camera or GPS would have sealed the deal for me. Cmon.. if every cheep phone manufacturer can build a camera into a dinky phone so can apple include a camera in it's Ipod touch line. I guess i'm waiting till the next update....

Apple like other phone manufacturers already built GPS and Camera into a phone...its called the iPhone :confused:

Ohhhh you want those features in a dedicated MP3 player is it? :rolleyes:. How many MP3 player out there have cameras & GPS?...not many

I just love how people want the Touch to be EXACTLY like the iPhone, have more storage and still sell at 199 as well without the contract. How does that even make sense business wise...i mean come on!

Why not ask for 3G HSDPA & Visual Voicemail as well while you're at it
 
Lets get something straight for all the people who are screaming that the Touch IS NOT AN IPHONE...

DUH!

But it's also MORE than an ipod.

The ipod nano, classic and shuffle ARE iPODS.

The Touch is something DIFFERENT.

Is it an mp3 player? Yes. But it's also a portable wifi enabled multi purpose unit. You not only can download songs, but check email and surf the web and instant message friends. It's also becoming a nice little portable gaming unit.

My point is...that a CAMERA would make a GREAT addition to the TOUCH.

You could then take pictures on the go and email them to friends instantly. Or create videos on the go and upload them to youtube.

It's not just an ipod, and it's not a phone. Adding a camera STILL won't make it a phone. Some people DON'T want a phone...but WOULD like a camera in the touch!

I do not understand the anger of some of these ITS NOT AN IPHONE people. Why are they so angry?

My only guess is that they are people who bought an iphone and for whatever reason, don't want to see ANY features added to the Touch that the iphone has.

It boarders on the ridiculous. Why would you even care? Are you jealous? Do you secretly resent being locked into a 2 year ATT contract with the iphone?

I just don't get it. You could add a camera AND GPS to the Touch, and it still WOULDN'T BE AN iPHONE!!!

So stop it ok?

People want a Camera in the Touch. And my guess is they will get one with the next update.
 
Lets get something straight for all the people who are screaming that the Touch IS NOT AN IPHONE...

DUH!

But it's also MORE than an ipod.

The ipod nano, classic and shuffle ARE iPODS.

The Touch is something DIFFERENT.

Is it an mp3 player? Yes. But it's also a portable wifi enabled multi purpose unit. You not only can download songs, but check email and surf the web and instant message friends. It's also becoming a nice little portable gaming unit.

My point is...that a CAMERA would make a GREAT addition to the TOUCH.

You could then take pictures on the go and email them to friends instantly. Or create videos on the go and upload them to youtube.

It's not just an ipod, and it's not a phone. Adding a camera STILL won't make it a phone. Some people DON'T want a phone...but WOULD like a camera in the touch!

I do not understand the anger of some of these ITS NOT AN IPHONE people. Why are they so angry?

My only guess is that they are people who bought an iphone and for whatever reason, don't want to see ANY features added to the Touch that the iphone has.

It boarders on the ridiculous. Why would you even care? Are you jealous? Do you secretly resent being locked into a 2 year ATT contract with the iphone?

I just don't get it. You could add a camera AND GPS to the Touch, and it still WOULDN'T BE AN iPHONE!!!

So stop it ok?

People want a Camera in the Touch. And my guess is they will get one with the next update.

Im not bitter since im not even locked into any contract and dont get me wrong i want the touch to grow...my friends have touches. I'm just tired of "it doesnt have GPS, camera, iron my clothes, make my breakfast etc" posts

Its an iPod with mutitouch/internet etc built in, the iPhone is a phone with iPod/internet etc built in. In other words its a music device first and foremost, anything else should they choose to include it is a bonus.

They added the Nike support because people use their flash MP3 players (which a touch is) when working out, adding a fitness feature is a good move...in other words it makes sense market wise. GPS in an MP3 player doesnt really make sense...majority don't use and it'll eat too much battery life which a dedicated music player is supposed to have plenty of.

Camera is a fair argument for photo friendly screen/internet device like the touch but they aren't obliged to add it and a probable reason for not adding it is because the iPhone's camera is currently weak compared to the market.

If i can buy a touch thats exactly like the iPhone...same 2MP camera & GPS why in the world would i sign up for a 2yr contract?, why not just buy the touch and pick a better specd phone with "insert tons of features iPhone lacks here" and get the best of both worlds? After all the only thing i'll be missing is 3G/HSDPA and visual voicemail...

The only way i see Apple putting one in (camera) is if the iPhone gets cam gets significantly upgraded then they might decide to put a 2MP/3MP cam in the touch but im not even holding my breath for that one

You have to keep things in perspective from a business standpoint putting a camera & GPS in the touch now WILL cannibalise iPhone sales, as a business i wouldn't want that even if a select few cry for it
 
iPod Touch a dissapointment?

I have a 32Gb Touch and personally I think that Apple could have gone a bit further with thus update.

I welcome the volume controls and speakers - which I would use a lot as I rarely use headphones.

A camera would be a logical and great enhancement. It would add a new level to the use of the Touch and would enable the use of all those photo apps out there.

Adding GPS would be good but is probably more problematical to implement as the 3G/EDGE part of the phone is used to enhance the GPS capabilities.

I dont buy the argument that if you need these features then buy the iPhone. Both a camera and GPS have little to do with 'phone' functionality and are probably not the main reason why people choose the iPhone over the touch, ie they want to make phone calls.

A bit disappointed with the 2.1 feature-wise - would have liked some way to organize the apps (folders?) and to have some form of common file area for all the apps to use. Will have to see if it makes the Touch more stable in downloading apps from iTunes and the interminable time it takes to install/update them.

Overall - 3/5 - but I am still tempted to upgrade :)
 
Indeed, the way that Apple keep bringing out rubbish products that nobody wants and nobody buys is surely the root cause of why the company is doing so badly...
 
They added the Nike support because people use their flash MP3 players (which a touch is) when working out, adding a fitness feature is a good move...in other words it makes sense market wise. GPS in an MP3 player doesnt really make sense...majority don't use and it'll eat too much battery life which a dedicated music player is supposed to have plenty of.

Face the facts: Before this announcement, it would have seemed just as preposterous for Apple to add built-in Nike integration as it would have been for Apple to add a built-in camera or GPS receiver.

"If you want feature XYZ, buy an iPhone!"
"If you want Nike+iPod, buy the accessory!"

Maybe I'm too cynical, but my guess is that they added the Nike feature for one reason only: because Nike is probably paying them to add it.

They didn't add other features (camera, GPS, whatever) because:
1) No other MP3 players already offer such features to fuel competitive expectations, and
2) No outside agency was offering them a licensing deal to sweeten the pot.
 
I swear people are retarded these days. APPLE IS NOT GOING TO PUT A CAMERA IN AN iPod. its useless, people need to stop trying to force apple into making their iPod touch act more like an iPhone. its useless, if you want a camera and GPS, buy a ****ing iPhone.

.

I really can't see comparing the touch to the ipod
 
Face the facts: Before this announcement, it would have seemed just as preposterous for Apple to add built-in Nike integration as it would have been for Apple to add a built-in camera or GPS receiver.

Not really. Nike support was already established, building it into the touch isn't far fetched...it has the space for the transceiver and its a flash based MP3 player like the nano and it makes sense market wise. The software support is probably coming to the iPhone with 2.1 even though you'd need the adapter since the space for the transceiver most likely being occupied by the 3G/GPS chips
 
Face the facts: ...

Maybe I'm too cynical, but my guess is that they added the Nike feature for one reason only: because Nike is probably paying them to add it.

They didn't add other features (camera, GPS, whatever) because:
1) No other MP3 players already offer such features to fuel competitive expectations, and
2) No outside agency was offering them a licensing deal to sweeten the pot.

I'm going to totally agree with Goosnarrggh here [awesome name, man].

I actually really want GPS on my ipod touch, but let's not be dense about it.
The reasons Apple included Nike+ and did not include GPS are all about $$.

Nike+ is a pre-licensed technology in large part pre-developed by Apple. Including it cost virtually nothing for them, and in fact, helps them to sell more Nike+ transmitters, as well as getting more people to subscribe to [potential] Nike+ mobileme or whatever platforms. That increases revenue. It also is a feature that, from Apple's perspective, users who don't want it, don't ever have to use it. It's not a "winner" for them, it's a "no-loser." That also makes it a no brainer.

GPS- think about it. The cost of the antenna and all in GPS isn't really all that much. Apple can develop or license that hardware very cheaply. ( It might, however, change the aesthetic of the ipod touch- why do you think the iPhone 3G went to plastic backs instead of metal? You'd likely have to expect a similar change in the Touch. )

But that's not the primary issue. The primary reason GPS is not on the touch is this: MAPS!!!

You have to either create or license maps for GPS- and that's very expensive. You can make them [yeah, right.], subscribe to them, or you can... hint hint... download and access them for free on googlemaps.

This is very easy on the iPhone, because it has a very regular and constant connection to google data servers. That's what 3G and EDGE buy it. The iPod Touch only has WiFi access, which in regular use around town can be very very patchy.

Even if you had GPS on your iPod Touch, you'd only be able to access and use the information from the GPS in relationship to the map which could give you any useful information when you're standing in a Starbucks. Woo hoo. You likely, then, know exactly where you are anyhow.

The only option Apple would be left with would be downloading or subscribing to map provider services.

This is troublesome from several perspectives. The consumers [us] would be moaning about the added costs of downloading GPS maps, and how much space they're taking up on our precious, measly 8GB iPod Touches.

For Apple, they'd also have to develop dual-track map guidance technology. one for tying the iPhone into googlemaps, and for use on the ipod touch when there's wifi access [free use of the map]; and another for using the subscribed or licensed map, which is virtually pointless on the iphone.

So the advantage of sharing the technology becomes a big liability of cost and unnecessary development. It doesn't really help them to include GPS in a way that is unified.

I want it, you want it, but it's not going to happen until they can buy it cheaply, or hide the costs of it. And they can't do that yet.

/diatribe.
 
If i can buy a touch thats exactly like the iPhone...same 2MP camera & GPS why in the world would i sign up for a 2yr contract?, why not just buy the touch and pick a better specd phone with "insert tons of features iPhone lacks here" and get the best of both worlds?

Exactly!
 
I don't understand these threads that are essentially say, "apple didn't do what I wanted and now I'm upset."
 
The iPod Touch is not intended to enhance your productivity, if anything it's for the opposite - so no GPS, no 3G, etc. What I can't get to grips with is the tagline - 'The funnest iPod ever.' - What an unusual adjective (or rather neologism), I continually have to do a double take, because I see on first glance 'The funniest iPod ever.' Personally I don't like it.
 
It's almost funny. You have 1 person moaning in the iPhone forum about the iPod touch becoming too much like the iPhone, and 1 person in the iPod Touch forum moaning that the iPod Touch isn't enough like an iPhone.

sigh
 
I'm buying a new 8GB iPhone as soon as the Apple Store has it in stock. I could give crap about camera, GPS, etc. The new price cut excites me. I was going to just get a nano (to replace the 3rd gen I sold last week) but now I'm Touch all the way. W/ the speaker the possibility of VOIP is too cool and much more useful that a junky 2mp camera. I also like the boosted battery life. I think its going to be a huge hit.
 
Well yes & no

NOt much of a change if you ask me.
I'm a bit disappointed but you really can't discount whAt they did add or change. The really big diappontment is the lack of models with larger storage. It is a bit shameful on Apples part that they don't try to distinguish between models with different hardware features.
Speakers were there the whole time, even in the 1st gen. (alerts sounds, type clicks??) Now Apple just decided to turn them up.
Obviously you are not taking the actual hardware into account. Even now we don't know if the new hardware meets the expectation many have for notification devices.

The volume rockers were needed but they should have been on the first gen ipod touch. Nike+?? Great what if you're not a runner?... a wasted add on.
This I agree with totally! Apple seems to be willing to add specialized hardware that focuses on a small minority of users but seem to have an aversion to general purpose hardware such as BluTooth that have potential with all sorts of users.
A built in Camera or GPS would have sealed the deal for me. Cmon.. if every cheep phone manufacturer can build a camera into a dinky phone so can apple include a camera in it's Ipod touch line. I guess i'm waiting till the next update.
I'm not all that excited about camera phones so that doesn't bother me. Especially if Apple is making a concerted effort to keep the units THIN. The thinner the device the worst the camera.

GPS is another story. I can understand the need to control the price but really would it be that difficult to let the consumer choose? GPS just works well with many apps and more are likely to come.
 
Bottom line is that this update doesn't do anything for those who already have a Touch. Its not revolutionary so no need to update. But why do you need to update every year anyway?

But for those who don't have one, its a great update if for nothing else than the price drop.
 
Yhat my friend is a very good question!

What happened to the 64 gb version? I thought this was going to be released by now :(

Good question especially if you consider the big gap in the product line up. I suspect Apple has plans for a 64 GB device real soon now but something wasn't ready yet. The area between 32 GB & 120 GB is more of a gulf than a gap. The obbious problem Apple now has is competition filling that gap.

This i'm still expecting a device with at least 64 GB of storage in the near future. Further if your in the market for a Touch with more space don't buy the current devices from Apple and make sure Apple knows why you won't spend money on Touch.

Frankly the current line up is perplexing.


Dave
 
Do these reflections look OK to you? Look how the Batman iPod is reflected in the iPod to the left here:

showcase_lead_touch20080909.jpg


Look here at the back of the iPod:

overview_hero20080909.png


All looks a bit weird to me. Are reflections going the same way as drop shadows? i.e. too much of a good thing.
 
What happened to the 64 gb version? I thought this was going to be released by now :(

Bottom line is that this update doesn't do anything for those who already have a Touch. Its not revolutionary so no need to update. But why do you need to update every year anyway?
sure that is true of current users the problem is it doesn't make the unit very appealling to potential new owners looking for a high capacity device. So Apple has lost anyone looking for a high capacity device with solid state memory, upgraders and those looking for really useful new hardware features.

Don't get me wrong the volume control and analog in are useful but I don't see enough desire for those features to drive new sales.

But for those who don't have one, its a great update if for nothing else than the price drop.

The price drop was expected simply due to the drop in cost of flash which has been dramatic. What is bothersome though is that Apple decided not to fill the high end with anything. That is no high capacity Touch or a version with new hardware features especially BluTooth and GPS. Both of these would add value that people would be willing to pay for.

Frankly the following is political: I'm begining to wonder if Apple is being run by a bunch of Democrates whom are actually starting to believe their parties crap about the economy. First the economy isn't that bad and some sectors are booming. Second there will always be people with money in any economy to ignore them is just short sighted especially for Apple as they market primarly to the wealthy segment of the economy. Third even if you are not wealthy a Touch offers a way to stay connected at low cost and in a portable manner. This is one reason why I think students, especially college students, love the Touch devices so much - for a little bit of cash it does a lot and is handy in ways a laptop isn't. It is almost like Apple is affraid to aggressively market Touch based devices.

This release of Touch just boggles my mind. It is not like Apple hasn't been aware of where the functionality desires are. My only conclusion, especially considering the capacity gap, is that they have something that simply wasn't ready for immediate shipment. This we get a couple of low end units for now.


Dave
 
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