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Bill Gates on iPad: "It's a Nice Reader, But..."

lincolntran said:
-- You answered your question yourself. You proved to yourself that it's NOT "that windows is great", but it's because it's widely available, cheap (with hardware), etc....




-- What does marketshare have to do with "quality" of the OS? Most people I know use windows because they don't have any other choice. They aren't happy with windows, but they can't afford a Mac and aren't geek enough to use *nix or *nux. It's just that Apple chose not to compete in the low end pc. Not that it's matter, but have you check the market share for high end pc lately?




-- optimized for tablets? Really? Like the HP all-in-one keep freezing when people tried to zoom in and out of a photo? Like I have to use my finger to touch that "tiny" little X button to close a window and every little small buttons in Word, and other text fields? What happen if I have big fingers?
Windows 7? LOL! It's still not as good as OS X. Have you tried to run 4 virtual OS in Windos 7 (or any version) at the same time? Have you tried to run 4 virtual OS in Mac OS X at the same time? I tried. Guess which one is more stable, fast, and quiet?
What's your reason before windows 7? Windows vista?




--- Agree. My heart rate is usually higher than normal when I'm on a windows system.....I want windows to have bugs and be crappy. I'm an IT guy......Oh, I just remembered, I need to go put my mac to sleep. it's been running 8 days straight now....:eek:
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Your quality OSX? FYI, I'm typing this in OSX right now. Four virtual machines? I gather you're on a Mac Pro? OSX certainly is coded with such attention to detail that it manages to play audio back properly. Oh wait, that wasn't true until today: https://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/1...ed-mac-pro-audio-heat-and-performance-issues/ Don't say it was an isolated issue until you've read the discussion forum that exists right here on MacRumors, with plenty of proof that it was a reproducible software error.

Seriously, I sincerely doubt you've had very much experience with Windows. Most people here "prove" their Windows experience in one of a few ways: claim they work in IT, list off a bunch of old operating systems, or write something vague containing the words "registry" and/or "dll".

"Guess which one is more stable, fast, and quiet?" You couldn't be more vague. Stable, sure that may be relatively subjective, although that is debatable. Fast is definitely quantifiable, if you know what you're doing. Unless you ran benchmarks, you have no right to claim something like that. "Quiet"? If you're running bootcamp, the only reason why Windows would be louder is because Apple bungled the drivers, if that. Normally fan speeds should be controlled by components on the motherboard (logic board) itself, independent of the operating system.

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html
Hmm, I don't see anything about OSX.
 
I happen to agree with Bill Gates. It isn't new like the iPhone was. But it does have potential to be a great product. Its just, right now it isn't anything horribly new like what iPhone was. Only time will tell how it will mature though.
 
LagunaSol said:
And these "other games to play" are called "the future of technology" - something Microsoft consistently fails to recognize.
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So few people have commented on the remark by SJ that Apple is now a "mobile devices company". He just repositioned the whole brand there. As it happens, the market for "mobile devices" is where the future of computing is. Sure, Apple will need to make some iMacs and Mac Pro's because developers and professionals need machines too. But the bread and butter will be mobile.

Who can compete?

In the bigger mobile devices (laptops), all the other hardware manufacturers can compete but they will always have to use Windows as the OS. No matter how cool your hardware is, the OS will determine your user experience and Windows will always be Windows. Only Apple runs OS X and/or Windows. Linux on laptops is not even worth a mention in terms of market share.

In the smaller devices category, nobody can do it like Apple can at the moment: 1) control hardware 2) control the best-in-class mobile OS 3) control and make profit on all content sales for the device. So again: who can compete?

The Windows Mobile device makers? They are hugely frustrated by Windows Mobile. Their hardware is effectively crippled by the OS. Many have put 'iPhone-like' interfaces on it but it only takes two clicks to go all the way back in time to Windows CE. There's always rumors of something great about to happen, but so far that has been vaporware. (As usual.)

Nokia has been too smug to actually do any real innovation - their much touted handset sales figures largely consist of basic phones. Symbian is too clunky for touch interfaces. Flagship models like the N97 are iPhone lookalikes hardware-wise, but were riddled with software and even hardware bugs. The specs read like a hardware shopping list but nothing ties it together for the user. The backlash (especially here in Europe) has been severe. Their latest Maemo effort is a complete switch to a new OS. No verdict yet, other than that they will have to start all over again. Their app store is nothing to write home about (even though it's been active for over a year now) and Nokia will never be a dominant player in the music industry. They are not a huge brand in the US and that is a major weakness.

Google then? They might be, seeing as they now try to do their own hardware. But their open model will never allow for an experience as tightly controlled as Apple's. The OS is great and gives Apple a run for its money in some areas. But the app store is lacking. If they ever find an easy and secure way to get (paid) apps to consumers (and update them), they may have something.

Palm looks and feels great but has not made any real impact yet. The company may not be strong enough to actually make that impact. While Nokia is not that big in the US, the Finnish brand has more or less killed the PalmPilot momentum that Palm (3Com?) had going in Europe.

So it looks like the dominant player in the mobile devices area will be Apple, with Google as the main competitor. Which is nice, as Google will keep Apple on its toes.
 
For all of you complaining about how the iPad is 'just a big iPhone/Touch': if you had a company sitting on the world's biggest app store, the world's biggest music store and of course the world's best mobile touch-OS supported by a great ecosystem of developers and in daily use by millions of customers who are not Mac users and/or geeks and absolutely love it to bits...

Would you introduce a new device that ignores all of the above, only appeals to your existing user base, runs your desktop OS slightly worse than your cheapest laptop, has touch added to it as an afterthought and relies on developers to gradually make their software more 'touch friendly'? Which they will only do if the device succeeds, but... the usual Catch-22.

Only if you're Bill Gates you would. But then you wouldn't have a choice. :p
 
LagunaSol said:
Puh-lease. What did Gates "launch" exactly? DOS? (Purchased.) Windows? (Mac clone.) Word? (WordPerfect was first.) PowerPoint? (Purchased.) Windows Mobile? (See Palm. See Newton.) Zune? (LOL!) The list goes on and on. And on.
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You know what they say about people in glass houses right?
FCP? (Macromedia), Shake? (Nothing Real), Color? (Silicon Color), iTunes? (SoundJam), Logic? (Emagic), Final Cut Server? (Artbox), DVD Studio Pro? (Spruce Technologies) Multi-touch? (Fingerworks), iPod? (See any number of MP3 players), :apple:TV? (see any number of SFF HTPCs), mouse-based GUI? (try Xerox), Safari? (See IE or Netscape) iWork? (dumbed down MS Office), Widgets? (Konfabulator). As you said, the list goes on and on. ;)

As much as Apple does right don't believe for a second that it is some sort of well spring of knowledge that doesn't routinely bring things in from other companies.


Lethal
 
dukebound85 said:
Yes, and that is what I acknowledge. By him doing that, it created an environment that led to widely used OS's and SW packages. Before that, every hardware had it's own OS, making any OS be mainstream nearly impossible.

By making an OS mainstream, it effectively launched the personal computer age

I am curious why you say this isn't smarts? Seems to be a shining example of forward thinking
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Uh, If you read my post I said it was brilliant, but he hasn't really seemed to envision anything past that point.
 
UmichAg said:
There's so much potential with this device, yet Apple limited its functionality.

For example, why not give it a stylus so that students could write/draw notes while in class or for artists to create a drawing?
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Good god. it is a freaking MULTITOUCH DEVICE. This is not a nintendo DS!

The whole point of the iPad IS limiting functionality. To keep things simple, easy to understand and operate. You can think of it as more of an appliance than a computer. But of course the nerds just don't get this. They want it to have 10 serial ports, a 10 MP camera, and a builtin toaster just like other computers out there.

Microsoft yet again proves that they just don't get it.
 
Carniphage said:
Perhaps Apple should have followed where Bill led?

Bill's like an expert on tablet computers!

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Wow, I threw up a little in my mouth.
 
this is going to explode

this is going to be huge, yes it is a big ipod touch...gah dir ;P, this thing is going to explode, and we wont logically know why till we look back on it a few years from now and go...wow using a mouse to do email sucked...

it is better at everything it professes to be better at...bill gates is erm...not seeing the big picture here...but he will ;)

touch platform =consumer computing.
 
The 2 stooges

Gates n' Balmer's Greatest Hits!

1. BG/SB on iTunes: it's nice-but it'll never take off...
2. BG/SB on the iPod: it's nice-but it'll never take off...
3. BG/SB on the iPhone: it's nice-but it'll never take off...
and now
4. BG/SB on the iPad: pure crap and it'll be dead in 6 months...
(as Gates prays to God) as MS sales drop for the first time in its history



MS get caught with their pants down quite a often....maybe they are flashers...

today, 11 Jan 2010, Seeking Alpha: "APPLE, with its record sales and profits during a PC sales slump, is now 70% the size of Microsoft"

MR a week ago, on a market research firms conclusion that "90% of all PCs sold in 2009 were MACs -though this info is a little suspect etc etc etc"
OK MACs made up 75% of all computer sales last year...happy?

iphone sales are up 100%
the only slight downer is that iPod sales are down 8%-maybe the world is saturated with iPods-or maybe MS's Zoon (sic) is cutting into their marketshare...bwhahahahahahahahahhahaa!
 
Hello World!

Long time reader, first time poster...

A lot of what people don't seem to understand about the Ipad is that it's not going after the PC's, Netbooks, Laptops... ETC. It's a brand new technology.

It does more than the iphone/ipod. It has a lot more functionality. A lot more possibilities. Yes, it's an over-sized iphone/ipod but only if you use it as such.

If you give it a niche before it comes out, you're limiting its potential.

Ipad is exactly as advertised. If you see it as an over-sized ipod, then see it as just that and nothing more. If you fail to see any potential, then go on hate google chrome and stick with firefox. Oh wait... firefox is clunky, ridiculous and disgusting to look at.

Did you see what I did there?
 
And Steve Jobs has made stupid statements too. These guys all hype their own stuff and put down the competition. Does anyone really expect sincerity from corporate CEOs?

jtmx29 said:
What's wrong with incorrect speculations and beliefs? IBM's founder once said there was a "market for maybe five computers." He was incorrect ten fold compared to Bill Gate's prediction.
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That quote, attributed to IBM's Thomas Watson, is apocryphal.
 
Buschmaster said:
Because you can get a notebook for about 10 cents at Target. Typing is so much faster than writing, I don't understand why students would want to write on their computers.
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Notes that include drawings, symbols (pretty much all the sciences) are much easier to draw than type.
 
bigjnyc said:
why not? he pretty much said that about the iPhone. Not in those exact words but very close.

face it Apple got lazy and uncreative with this one they made one of their products bigger and tried to pass it off as a new revolutionary "magical" device.... what a joke.
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No, they did not. In fact, they joked about how substandard was the iPhone. In fact, Steve Ballmer mocked a lot the device saying it did not offered nothing new and that no one would by a 500 dollars phone because Windows Mobile devices were ready for 99 dollars.
 
calderone said:
漢字は使えへん？信じられへん。
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You don't need to use kanji in every instance. Although my skills in that department aren't the greatest. I'm loving Kanji Pop on the iPhone though. Good stuff. I wrote in a very slang style back there.:D
 
twoodcc said:
a typically response from bill. i'd hate to hear what ballmer has to say about it...
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He would just keep saying, "Developers, Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers, and then his head would explode and Bill would have to be rushed back in to HQ to wire it back on. You see he's the latest Microsoft invention, the C.E.O., or Crappy Executive O-ring (read: part of your body that resembles the letter 'O')
 
Skuman said:
Notes that include drawings, symbols (pretty much all the sciences) are much easier to draw than type.
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There are sketch apps out there, but there really should be a pen option in the Notes program. Just click on it and sketch away, then flip back and type a few notes. Notes really should be Apple's experimental ground for this sort of thing. Of course if they had hand writing recognition software in the works I'm sure they wouldn't tell anyone about it until they had perfected it to a certain degree.
 
lincolntran said:
Have you tried to run 4 virtual OS in Windos 7 (or any version) at the same time? Have you tried to run 4 virtual OS in Mac OS X at the same time? I tried. Guess which one is more stable, fast, and quiet?
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Odd I am running 8 Servers on Win 2k8 using Hyper-V and have had no issues. The server is fast, quiet and stable. :confused:
 
just for the record

If i wanted to be controlled i would get married. Apple wants to much controll. If i didnt no anything about computer than a mac would be tempting. mac computers, iphone, ect has limited usability, unless of course you jailbreak the iphone. People that get viruses on there pc are usually inexperienced. Now as for the ipad is it a big iphone, or a new woman time of the month catcher. Who Knows as for me i love the iphone, cant stand a mac, and not interested in the ipad. PC is how i work and i can do more stuff on a pc than steve jobs can do with a mac. You dont get viruses on a mac because a mac cant do much to begin with.
 
For some reason, I don't see the accompanying picture showing Gates' foot in his mouth...
 
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