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BlackBerry CEO Says Despite a 'Fantastic Job' With iOS Design, Apple Now Lacks Innovation

With all these articles of late saying how the iPhone is no longer revolutionary, yep, the competition has stepped it up. But I can't help wonder where the competitors would be today had Apple not broken the ground they did, when they did, with their initial innovation.
 
shadow puppet said:
With all these articles of late saying how the iPhone is no longer revolutionary, yep, the competition has stepped it up. But I can't help wonder where the competitors would be today had Apple not broken the ground they did, when they did, with their initial innovation.
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:(: Adds nothing to the stupidity.
What innovation are you talking about?
… And what/where is it that Apple is faltering on these days?


I think apple competes with itself mostly.
That is what bothers people. The copycats are out there looking at Apple, but Apple is looking at who?
 
Renzatic said:
That's pretty much innovation. To be innovative, you don't have to reinvent the wheel, just tweak it.
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Really?
Wearing thrashed jeans is innovation, compared with the creation of the fabric itself?

:): Be aware of faulty generalizations. And not every tweak is visible, do it counts?
 
Change for the sake of change is not innovation.

Bored pundits constantly saying Apple is in trouble does not make it true.

Apple needs to stay the course and introduce new features when they make sense and when it improves the user experience.
 
Again: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


in·no·va·tion [in-uh-vey-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
something new or different introduced: numerous innovations in the high-school curriculum.
2.
the act of innovating; introduction of new things or methods.
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can everyone familiarize themselves with this word if you're going to continue to toss it about.

:rolleyes:
 
rdlink said:
This. BB should NEVER, EVER talk to ANYONE about innovation.
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You're right, only if you look at what BB's done over the last three years. At one point, they were THE smartphone manufacturer to beat, and they brought a ton of interesting stuff to the scene.

It's not so much that BB never innovated, it's that they took their position for granted and quit trying to improve their products at all beyond a few spec bumps. There's a lesson in that for Apple and their fans.

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Ochyandkaren said:
Really?
Wearing thrashed jeans is innovation, compared with the creation of the fabric itself?
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Yeah. The fabric is a medium as much as it is an invention. The things you make out of it or use it for can potentially be as innovative as the fabric itself.
 
Renzatic said:
Apple looks at everyone else as much as everyone else looks at Apple. They're not an ideas factory, spinning wonderful innovations out of thin air. They leverage the industry as a whole just like all the other companies that are disparaged so much around here.
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Really?
I did write here before, inspiration is A stream Of Consciousness.
What you wrote is obvious, i did not imply that Apple lives in a vacuum.


What i meant is : Cite A product that Apple went after and make its own?

- The way companies look at Apple’s products.

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Renzatic said:
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Yeah. The fabric is a medium as much as it is an invention. The things you make out of it or use it for can potentially be as innovative as the fabric itself.
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Like thrashing it ( compares to its creation )?
Doen’s fabric decay?

Generalization can shoot you in the foot.

But lets go back to iOS, you can say that it still incomplete, but outdated is stupid.
Simplicity annoys people who seeks complexity as intelligence, but simplicity ( abstracting complexity ) is actually more complex that just adding layers of ’things’.

iOs just need tweaks, it needs more simplicity.
 
Blackberry Z10 sales must be slowing already if Heins is making comments like this about Apple.

How funny that Heins calls Apple innovation stale when the BB Z10 looks very similar to the iPhone 5, the BB10 app springboard looks exactly like iOS's springboard, and the BB Hub looks very similar to the iOS Mail app.
 
applesith said:
Blackberry never had innovation so they don't know what it means.

Yes, Apple needs to step it up but BB should be the last one to throw a shot.
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I don't see it as a personal shot at Apple. As the article states, it is more of a cautionary tale from a company that chose to rest on its laurels and ride sales but then saw marketshare fall to just 3%.
 
viperGTS said:
Sorry perfection is boring. :rolleyes:
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I agree with some points of the arguments but simply saying that iOS is 5 years old and it hasn't changed is a bit untrue. It has evolved significantly since its initial introduction. Just because they haven't thrown out all the original design concepts and started with a fresh new UI doesn't mean they haven't added useful features.

Sure Samsung phones are full of gimmicks, some useful and some not. But I think we are just getting started with iOS and they will continue to evolve and maybe innovate with every new version.

Change for the sake of change is not always a good thing, I think they are focusing on what meaningful changes can be made so that they don't make a terrible misstep that they would regret. I'm optimisitic since Eddie Cue and Jony Ive are in their current roles and I can't wait to see what they bring to the table.

Also, the fact that Apple has been so quiet lately makes me think they are hard at work on something. Hopefully it will knock everyones socks off.
 
d0minick said:
I agree and it sucks. I'll be giving up my iPhone 5 for the S4. If the iOS7 is interesting the phone will come out the cabinet.

But any of you who seriously think that iOS isn't stale and lacking and the iPhone isn't stagnating are truly lying to yourselves.

S beam should have been an iPhone feature from the start.

I love tech, and i feel it just so happened to be Apples decades, and that might be over.
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Go check when the app “Bump” appeared on iPhone!
 
d0minick said:
I agree and it sucks. I'll be giving up my iPhone 5 for the S4. If the iOS7 is interesting the phone will come out the cabinet.

But any of you who seriously think that iOS isn't stale and lacking and the iPhone isn't stagnating are truly lying to yourselves.

S beam should have been an iPhone feature from the start.

I love tech, and i feel it just so happened to be Apples decades, and that might be over.
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no one told you this, but Touchwiz looks exactly the same w/ new gimmicky features... "hey look i can hover over the phone and control it." "well i can touch the phone and control it" AH MAZING
 
Rogifan said:
So it's only about higher ppi? So the company that has the highest ppi in their display automatically has the best display?
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Apple should start a marketing campaign about the "ppi pretense" (a la Megahertz Myth) explaining how a display isn't better just because it has more pixels.

And then of course once Apple switches and starts using the same screens as everyone else, they can just drop the marketing campaign!
 
I was writing software for the RIM 950 wireless email pager in 1999. At the time Blackberry was just a software shop and then ended up buying RIM.

The RIM 950 was light years ahead of the status quo. When the whole world was sending pages to each other via pagers/beepers, I was sending emails from the 950 to any email address in the world...

I was sending emails from the RIM 950 before the text message (sms) EVEN EXISTED...

Apple is now doing the same thing that RIM did: getting old and stale by resting on their laurels.
 
applesith said:
Blackberry never had innovation so they don't know what it means.

Yes, Apple needs to step it up but BB should be the last one to throw a shot.
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Really? Wow you couldn't broadcast anymore loudly that you're a fool. Have you no clue about history?
 
If that was directed at me - Hartmut Esslinger is an example of what i am ’saying’

Renzatic said:
Okay, I'm having trouble following you. I kinda get the jist of what you're saying. Kina. But...please...clarify a bit. Cut down on the flowery prose.
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Apple hasn’t deviated from its DNA that much, if you look at these rejected concepts.
Apple is mainly competing with itself, as they put it : We only want to build the best products we can build.
Sounds tacky but is based on evidences.
 
vashspike said:
That's evolution. Not innovation.
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Then the iPhone itself was an evolutionary product. Everything in it had been done at some point in the past. Touchscreens? Sure. App stores? Yup. Grid of icons? Oh hell yes.

What the iPhone did was put all these technologies together in a nice package. It wasn't popular because it was brand new and completely unprecedented, rather because it was well built and easy to use.
 
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