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Google Now is the only thing that I've seen in the past few years and thought "cool". Turns out, it's next to useless in the UK, in real-life - I've actually turned it off.

Before anyone says it, no, Siri is not better than Google Now. GN is proactive, Siri is reactive.

Google Now is coming to iOS...

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Well from Android some recent innovations were their notifications, larger/better screens, NFC functionality, as well as others.
WebOS introduced a phone with inductive charging and a great multitasking solution.
Windows Phone 8 has a completely restyled home screen that works completely differently than anything else out there.

Those are just a couple of examples, there are many more.

None of those things are especially innovative. Nifty, but hardly a game changer.

The iPhone was a game changer. That's innovative.
 
Isn't it funny that you preferred a real keyboard but that wasn't important enough to stay loyal to BB? Then "only" battery life got you from Android... could be be you just like change and justify it for a trivial option issue?

Too many people on hear are only interested in the latest and greatest. That's fine. I love new toys too BUT most regular people like consistency that just works. That's what Apple does! You can all holla as much as you like.

What the hell does loyalty have to do with buying something thats useful?

ughh.. fanboys
 
I don't want barbie and ken to have something in common with my new $600 new flagship phone. Pseuso metal on the sides? Really? How faux is that? Is that where their innovation lies.

I know. I'm double posting to the same reply. But hell. I can't resist.

I DEMAND MY $600 SMARTPHONE BE MADE WITH THE BEST BEER CAN MATERIAL MONEY CAN BUY!

ALUMINIUM! THE FANCIEST OF METALS! IT'S LIKE PLATINUM FOR COOL PEOPLE WITH DISCERNING TASTE!

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The iPhone was a game changer. That's innovative.

Innovation innovation innovation. I swear I could go the rest of my life without hearing that word again.

Tell me this. What has Apple done since the iPad that's been truly innovative to you?
 
If anything... BB started the smartphone movement

Apple moved it further with a touch screen and a very good UI

Fanboys make me sick!!

Agreed.

I have an iPhone 4S for work ( S3 currently for personal use ), and I bought the 3GS as well for personal use, the iPhone is a great product that brought lots to the Table.

To many fanboys seem to forget that RIM, Microsoft, and Palm brought many, many, many of the UI elements and features we come to expect from a smartphone today. Hell, the 1st iPhone didn't even have 3G, copy and paste, or 3rd party apps.
 
Lol. That isn't innovation. What did they come up with that usefull to the consumer? What new feature. Hover finger? When you look away the display pauses? Really? Is that innovation?

I would say that those features are innovative. I haven't seen them on previous phones and they are pretty smart I think. Those together with the feature that the phones display stays on as long as you look at it are pretty innovative features that I would love that my iPhone 5 had (besides settings toggles in the nc).

What would be innovation for them is not to make the phone out of the same thing my daughters barbie house is made out of. That would be innovation for them. Not hover finger, or pauseing video when you look away.

I don't want barbie and ken to have something in common with my new $600 new flagship phone. Pseuso metal on the sides? Really? How faux is that? Is that where their innovation lies.

Don't worry, they don't make it from barbie house plastic. It's a very light and durable material that handles abuse without showing scratches or nicks better than my iPhone 5's aluminium for sure. Actually, I wouldn't mind having my iPhone 5 case/back made of that material instead of the current soft aluminium, with the S4 curved shape that sits better in the hand.

I get it that some like the more exclusive look of metal, but why not give us an option.
 
All of the stats you provided were after the iPhone was released. Total smartphone sales in 2006 (before the iPhone was released) was around 50 million. About 5% of the mobile phone market. Now, smartphones are close to 50% of the entire mobile phone market and selling around 200 million in a single quarter.

Very astute of you. Apologies.
However it still was not a "niche" market as margins for all manufacturers where MUCH higher until competition ramped up. Also note the main reason for the surge in smartphone sales and market shares for all mobile OS with a majority stake is because of two major things:

More smartphone models are available than feature phones on a global scale.
(less users buying feature phones, and less production of feature phones)
More advertising of network and device features vs feature phones.
(marketing by manufacturers and providers alike)
^ note that these where already beginning before the iPhone was created in 2004 and predicted by mobile industry analysts.
Visual Voicemail
Call blocking
Email on smartphones featuring HTML and inline email along with supported languages outgrowing what feature phones (like S40, SEUI, and others offered).
More than 1 line on SIM card,
HD Voice
faster modem for data consumption and uploads
more channels per tower can be used on HSPA & LTE than on GPRS/EDGE - (feature phones cannot use these channels along with the data speeds)
VOIP over 3G/LTE and on WiFi ... there must be maybe 2 feature phones capable of WiFi and less than 5 promised with adapters that never shipped supporting WiFi)
(previously mentioned WiFi).
et cetera.

Perhaps the mix of languages has confused you:

Then I must be using BB10 because I have configured English, castellano y català in my SwiftKey app and I can change between them without having to "switch" the language

No I wasn't confused. You had "Catalan" listed twice in your first reply about languages you can use; so i was lost. Thanks for the clarification. I believe you mentioned SwiftKey4 has this functionality, yet I'm unable to see a youtube video showing the setup and use of this, nor listed on their site. I'll continue digging, and much appreciated for the kind update; I've learned something new today (just trying to find the proof of it).

PS: see everyone rebuttals are good and don't have to get nasty :D
 
True, iOS has those features, but because it CAN do those things, it's not really meant to be a content creation device. Same way it can record HD quality movies, it's not a movie creation device.

Apple disagrees with you.

One example from Apple's Web Site [emphasis added]:

Whether you are creating a business presentation, editing a spread sheet or hosting a virtual meeting you’ll discover that these apps transform your everyday business activities into engaging new ways to interact. iPad apps for business simply take the work out of your work.

Direct link: http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/apps/

Not a single mention of content consumption on the entire page. Why? Because it's targeted to business people for work. What do business people need to do... create content, edit content, present content; not play Doodle Jump, watch the Star Wars episodes, and jam out to Arcade Fire.

Everything you suggest is contrary to how Apple, right now, today, positions the iPad to business and education. Why contradict their own marketing? I don't understand. :confused:
 
The kind people are now buying, as opposed to PalmPilots/etc., the past era of devices which no one buys anymore.
Apple's innovation was adding a highly usable web browser (Opera/etc. on Treos wasn't for most normal people) and a music player with easy access to a vast amount of actually legal content.

PilotGear/PalmGear had a big mobile app store for PalmPilot apps back in '97. Independent PalmOS app devs were making millions. Many have moved along to iOS/Android. And the jailbreakers may have opened their iPhone App Store before Apple.

Ah! Twice in one day ... learning something I hadn't known before about the mobile industry, bon chance for moi! (not using BB10 to type that lol ;) ).

Are you aware of Apple's Web Browser core is WebKit (WebCore) and is a joint development headed by 2 developers - 1 from Apple, the other from Google - and was FIRST featured in the Nokia N80 smartphone; running S60 FP1?

http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/S60WebKit

Nokia 80 Specs:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n80-1347.php
Announced 2005, 4Q. Released 2006, April

Nokia Browser for Symbian: November 2005.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_Browser_for_Symbian

The browser is based on a port of Apple Inc.’s open source WebCore and JavaScriptCore frameworks which form the WebKit rendering engine that Apple uses in its Safari Web browser

http://press.nokia.com/2005/11/02/nokia-introduces-a-new-web-browser-for-s60-3rd-edition/

As announced earlier this year, the new Web browser for S60 is based on the WebCore and JavaScriptCore components of Apple's Safari Web Kit, the industry's smallest and fastest open source full Web rendering engine for mobile devices that Apple uses in its popular Safari Internet browser. Based on KHTML and KJS from KDE's Konqueror open source project, this software has enabled Nokia to achieve major improvements in Web site usability on smartphones, through the re-use of a proven desktop rendering engine that has been developed and optimized by a large open source community over many years.

"Safari Web Kit's blazing performance, efficient code base and support for open standards make it an ideal open source technology for projects like the new Web browser for S60," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. "We're delighted that Nokia can take advantage of Apple innovation and our commitment to open source development to bring a new Web experience to S60 smartphones."

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Nokia MiniMap Browser:
http://research.nokia.com/files/MinimapVisualization.pdf

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People could care less about that innovation :rolleyes:

Um, I seriously hope you're being sarcastic! The majority of the worlds population is bi-lingual vs single lingual. Many people whom are bi-lingual actually think differently when speaking either language they choose and those still learning actually input words from either language in normal speech, either through lack of the translated word/phrase or because there simply is none. For example the word "Sorry" doesn't exist in many South/West African languages - its core understanding doesn't make sense because to those cultures you don't commit an action without first intending to do it.

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This is already featured on the LG Optimus G Pro just announced some weeks prior and demonstrated. Not an Samsung innovation.
 
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Um, I seriously hope you're being sarcastic! The majority of the worlds population is bi-lingual vs single lingual. Many people whom are bi-lingual actually think differently when speaking either language they choose and those still learning actually input words from either language in normal speech, either through lack of the translated word/phrase or because there simply is none. For example the word "Sorry" doesn't exist in many South/West African languages - its core understanding doesn't make sense because to those cultures you don't commit an action without first intending to do it.

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It was sarcastic/joke but i dont agree that the majority of population is bi-lingual, either way not the thread for it.
 
But I don't believe that is Apple's problem to make things new for you. You have a choice not to buy the apple product.

apple had BETTER update ios and change it around! i am so sick of iOS right now. sure its functional but it is also outdated and boring. its too limited. if apple were to actually change the look and overall function of iOS (like a windows 7 to windows 8 kind of thing) and they were to do it correctly, sales would skyrocket. i know i would rush out to get as much as i can.
 
For now, BB has nothing to offer on this front - let's wait and see if he is turning the company around and introduces some real innovation, and than he might earn the right to say something about this topic - for now, BB is still a fail.

Actually there still is a niche in the market for blackberry. A lot of companies still give their employees blackberryies so they can keep in touch.

The average consumer might not benefit. But in the business world that are useful.
 
But I don't believe that is Apple's problem to make things new for you.

Another one of these "Apple doesn't owe you anything" posts. You're right to a point, he doesn't have to buy their stuff, and they don't owe us anything more than a compelling product. But the whole "Apple stands above your petty wants and needs, CHURL" attitude some of you like to project on them is incredibly stupid, because, as a company, they should go out of their way to please their current and potential buyers.

No one ever became successful by turning down a customer.
 
I think Apple had high hopes for Siri as an interface tool. Sadly, it's been found lacking and subsequently they've been caught short.

There are a lot of things that Apple could do to enhance the iOS experience, lock screen options being a fine place to start.

iOS 7, come in number 7...

Siri is still in beta! May ios 7 or 8 is when Siri is no longer in beta.
Siri is useful. I use it all the time for setting the alarm and calender.

Innovation is making things that improve what was not so great in the past. Internet on a phone, our interaction with the phone, and better app purchasing are what the iphone brought. Next great innovation on smartphone would be handwriting recognition and voice. Siri is partly there. Google now is different. Google now is more knowing you and bringing the internet services to you.
 
You know nothing of the history of the Smart Phone, BB was huge on innovation.

You're absolutely wrong. I've used, and supported BBs for almost 14 years. I was the freaking BB administrator at my company, supporting over 800 BBs!

The only thing "innovative" about the BB was the push email. Otherwise, it was a pretty crappy PDA. Period.
 
If anything... BB started the smartphone movement

Apple moved it further with a touch screen and a very good UI

Fanboys make me sick!!

Apple perfected the smartphone and all companies copied almost the same exact way of how apple made a smartphone . Not how they started the smartphone but how they made it. They all copied apple . Just as apple didn't start the tablet movement but they perfected it with battery ,size ,UI , apps and then everyone copied apple on how to make tablets .
 
I agree, but how much further can companies push cell phone OS's? Will a company come along and offer something we didn't even know we wanted? Is their a breaking point where only minor changes can be made similar to an appliance like a toaster. The constant requirement of tech to evolve and change (even if it's doing its purpose extremely well) may end up hurting successful products. They can upgrade the hardware, but will be there a point where the software is perfect?
 
It was sarcastic/joke but i dont agree that the majority of population is bi-lingual, either way not the thread for it.

Maybe not in the US and parts of Africa. But I think that most of the rest of the population is more or less bi-lingual.
 
What "killer features" do you suggest?

People scream for new features, but have no idea what those should be.

Besides how many features do you need?

It's a PHONE for goodness sakes!

You know, its funny.

Apple come out with a phone with all sorts of bells and whistles, and everyone wonders what the hell they used to do with their little grayscale 'dumb phone'. Yet the second you mention improving the product, the argument becomes "its a phone".

By your very own logic, we may as well ditch Safari, 3G, LTE, apps, the lot :rolleyes:

The feature request list for the iPhone is massive - you only need to look in the iPhone forum area to see that.

It's more a case of keeping the product fresh, which Apple has failed to do for a couple of years now.

For me, I'd like to see:

1) NFC
2) 802.11ab
3) Replacement for SpringBoard with something a little more flexible
4) An 'app draw' type thing where you can see ALL apps, then just keep the ones you use regularly on your springboard
5) A UI overhaul would be nice, but probably wont happen
6) API hooks for the notifications window - currently through Cydia hacks you can add things like the option to quickly enable/disable wifi,celular, etc, change brightness, turn the light on/off, etc
7) API Hooks for the Spotlight search, with more search options (e.g "in:appstore" tags and "web:some search" and such)
8) Redesign the multitasking area with a snapshot preview (like the one from Cydia)
9) Option to close all apps in multitasking
10) Set default apps (i.e set Chrome as your default browser for example)
11) Remove standard apps (there is zero reason why Stocks, Reminders, Weather, Notes and Maps need to be on the phone to begin with - if they were moved to the AppStore, updates for them would be MUCH easier to handle, and we wouldnt have unwanted junk on our phone)
12) Either the removal of Siri, or open it up to allow apps to interact with it, at which point it may be a bit more useful.
13) Option to auto-update apps in the background, replacing the existing one once the new one is downloaded
14) Option to revert back to old app versions (the recent buggy chrome release being a prime example of when you'd want to do this)
15) Screen splitting for the iPad (so you can have more than 1 app open at a time - realistically there is no reason why it cant be done).
16) A minor thing, but it would be cool if there was a WebOS style multitask switcher, where when you double tap home, instead of a bottom menu, the app window shrinks and shows all of them in a fan, you then push the app away to the top of the screen to close it.
17) Maps. Better data, nuff said.
18) OS X Companion app or control app to let you do things like remotely locate your mac, turn it on/off, change settings, share network connection, open a local network between the two, etc
19) A detailed battery status screen (like iStat Pro for OS X)
20) Save maps route so it works offline
21) Safari downloads
22) Multiple user accounts for the iPad


I could go on and on.

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Several variations of this have been posted. It's ludicrous. iOS is one of the fastest evolving, and innovating, OSes I've ever seen. Every year significant features are added and apparently they are so seamless that people don't even notice even as they use them constantly. OSes usually take years between significant releases. Admittedly, most of these innovations are in the platform, not in the app launcher interface.

Yes, the most visible feature of the interface is pretty much the same (icons on a grid with multiple screens) but that doesn't have to change for innovation to happen. The mouse / icon /window interface is 30 years old and you could argue that it hasn't really changed much in that time.

For the non-developers out there who don't see the massive innovation going on, a quick way to gauge is to look at how quickly and how widely applications shift to requiring a new OS version. Developers don't do that just because, they do that because the new OS has compelling features that they want to take advantage of.

I am a developer ;)

Look I'm not saying things havent been done. But out of a massive list of items that have been suggested since 2007, Apple has tackled the mainly easy ones. Look at a few of the wishlists out there and you'll see what I mean.
 
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