You're doing a fine job advocating for the "Homeland." I just don't see it developing. But hey, it's just my opinion.
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You're doing a fine job advocating for the "Homeland." I just don't see it developing. But hey, it's just my opinion.
Bravo! Well said.
If I may add 'sometimes you can measure the quality of something not just by what it has but also by how it is used'. This is the formula for BB10 ... the Z10 looks lackluster in terms of phsycial design compared to the competition. Honestly. However when you begin to use it, even past 3 days you begin to realize its what's underneath the "skin" that matters - similar to how we should see a person .. under the "skin" is what matters who they are, how they act. The mobile OS what it is and how it acts, what it offers, how does it get things done? how does it make your actions/tasks easier than the competition.
Features are great ... but useless if you have to fight to get to use them or too many steps to use them. Worse if they really don't offer you a significant value. Samsungs' "S" this and that is more of branding what the core JB offers on quite a few levels; a few things are new but. The scrolling while reading feature ... doesn't JB already have this on the Galaxy Nexus? I could've sworn this was there.
Blackberry > Google Nexus > iPhone
I will tell you this. I have owned an iPhone (4s) and the Google Nexus and I got my Blackberry z10 on Friday and I have to say it's the best phone I've ever owned. Granted Im a business user so Im not all that interested in AngryBirds (though they have that) but for productivity - it kills the Nexus (Android) and the iPhone (iOS).
I will tell you this. I have owned an iPhone (4s) and the Google Nexus and I got my Blackberry z10 on Friday and I have to say it's the best phone I've ever owned. Granted Im a business user so Im not all that interested in AngryBirds (though they have that) but for productivity - it kills the Nexus (Android) and the iPhone (iOS).
Hahaha look who's talking. Apple's innovation is so far ahead that it practically set every one of these tech companies for life. How can you call a company that literally started this entire new industry with its innovative products (iPhone/iPad/iOS), to lack innovation? A matter of fact.
You really need to define your "current era of smartphones" statement to be clear.
Touchscreen?
- Been done by about 10 different PocketPC-PE, Symbian devices before iPhone.
Multi-Touch?
- If I recall there was at least 1 smartphone on the market available (yes even in the US) that was capable of this. Didn't sell at all well but it had it: Nokia 7710. I think there was another though. Missy Elliot featured this in one of her videos long ago. Motorola's Accompli line evolved using Linux OS but I cannot recall the exact model that had multi-touch so I maybe mistaken here. The level of 5 fingers multi-touch yes Apple brought that to market but its NOT an Apple innovation another company made this and was selling it to any buyers willing.
App Store?
- BINGO pure Apple innovation! Bar none. Completely agree. This maybe something that was bound to happen yet VERY difficult for Symbian to accomplish and other mobile OS' since the vast sparse availability to source and install applications was never governed. The Google PlayStore seems to have surpassed this by re-installing apps when you sign into another device, and push app installs done by any web-browser, something I'm greateful that BB10 offers.
1-button on the face of a smartphone
- Apple wins here again.
Glass for the screen
- Apple is NOT the first here.
Touch Sensors imbedded into the Glass (no separation of substrate)
- Apple is NOT the first here. Compaq did this some 4yrs earlier. Heck even the Palm Treo 600 had this.
So again I implore you to define what you mean by "ushered in the current era of smart phones with the iPhone."
PS: I'm well aware of the Android being originally designed to compete with BB; that was not part of our rebuttal
It's a oft-repeated argument to separate out individual features and dismiss them as having been done before. You can do this with any product if you break it into small enough parts.
The iPhone was the first smartphone focused around a capacitive multitouch screen combined with a modern OS featuring a desktop class browser. Like the current era of smartphones.
(Nokia 7710 was not multitouch.)
You're doing a fine job advocating for the "Homeland." I just don't see it developing. But hey, it's just my opinion.
Touché (if I'm using that correctly). We're always entitled to our own opinions i'm all for being shown when I'm wrong as well and thanks for highlighting my allegiance
BlackBerry has definitely a very steep uphill battle but anyone could commend them after so long finally getting things done - admist failed promises and missed deliveries over a 2.5yr time frame - while doing so without any bank loans of credit and without being in the red all along.
in bold is a fail!
- also seems you're using 2 languages there not three? I'm only learning my second language and I see Espanol there yet the context is off. Ellos and haver are not in the right context are they? Hmm.
Recall I stated three languages and not have to switch between the two - show me a screenshot where your keyboard of choice specifically offers this and NOT via manually typing; as I'm very curious if this is a new development for Android.
Change for the sake of change is not a good thing. It's no accident that every operating system (other than Windows phone) is imitating the grid layout and other simple design elements and user interfaces in iOS.
I think it's particularly unhelpful to say something could be better without stating exactly what you dislike about it and how you'd improve it. I, for one, would like a more transparent file system and better nesting of folders. But a major redesign to the look and feel of iOS? Why?
I think it's particularly unhelpful to say something could be better without stating exactly what you dislike about it and how you'd improve it. I, for one, would like a more transparent file system and better nesting of folders. But a major redesign to the look and feel of iOS? Why?
...guys. I think Oletros just had a stroke and started talking pidgin. Someone should call 911.
Touché (if I'm using that correctly). We're always entitled to our own opinions i'm all for being shown when I'm wrong as well and thanks for highlighting my allegiance
BlackBerry has definitely a very steep uphill battle but anyone could commend them after so long finally getting things done - admist failed promises and missed deliveries over a 2.5yr time frame - while doing so without any bank loans of credit and without being in the red all along.
in bold is a fail!
- also seems you're using 2 languages there not three? I'm only learning my second language and I see Espanol there yet the context is off. Ellos and haver are not in the right context are they? Hmm.
Recall I stated three languages and not have to switch between the two - show me a screenshot where your keyboard of choice specifically offers this and NOT via manually typing; as I'm very curious if this is a new development for Android.
There are three languages: English, Spanish and Catalan.
I puc canviar (catalan) = and I can change
Sense haver de (catalan) = without having to
Yes you are very late.
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No clue at all! I must be so stupid.
Just love all of the redundant attacks on my post. It's amazing.
Then this means it doesn't do what BB10 currently does. Set languages 1 time and then type as you go with 3 languages; interchanging between the 3 with spell check or without in proper context to each language as you go.
Stating that you need to change, if I'm reading that correctly, means on Android you cannot do what is currently capable on BB10.
QFT. I don't understand why people are expecting a redesigned OS, courtesy of Jony, only months after his involvement. Surely any such change would have already been in the works.
Several variations of this have been posted. It's ludicrous. iOS is one of the fastest evolving, and innovating, OSes I've ever seen. Every year significant features are added and apparently they are so seamless that people don't even notice even as they use them constantly. OSes usually take years between significant releases. Admittedly, most of these innovations are in the platform, not in the app launcher interface.
Yes, the most visible feature of the interface is pretty much the same (icons on a grid with multiple screens) but that doesn't have to change for innovation to happen. The mouse / icon /window interface is 30 years old and you could argue that it hasn't really changed much in that time.
For the non-developers out there who don't see the massive innovation going on, a quick way to gauge is to look at how quickly and how widely applications shift to requiring a new OS version. Developers don't do that just because, they do that because the new OS has compelling features that they want to take advantage of.
You're right. I don't think anyone is discounting the impact of the iPhone back in 2007. My comment was strictly those mocking RIM about no innovation (and they stand by their comment firmly) and only Apple was the only one who innovated to create the smartphone. To them, they don't see that without Palm OS, BBOS and everything they brought to sector, there might not even be iPhone or an iPhone that was that revolutionary.
3rd time, you've yet to prove that SwiftKey 4 does what BB10 can do. What did you mean by "I puc canviar (catalan) = and I can change" ... meaning you can change that particular language setting itself or that the spelling you can change after a typo I highlighted from you post on the previous page? Please clarify as I've not used swiftkey 3/4. You're rebuttal is lost on me so try to be clear politely as I'm not getting that SwiftKey can allow you to ...
1. set 3 languages,
2. allow you to type in those languages freely without the need to "switch" languages or switch input languages during typing. Meaning you can type each single word in any of the 3 languages have spell check done, proper accents etc (as that is the nature of languages; not trying to add more here).
3. allow the correct context of each language typed by you to be done on the fly without the need to be edited after or during typing.
This is what BB10 can do.
All of the stats you provided were after the iPhone was released. Total smartphone sales in 2006 (before the iPhone was released) was around 50 million. About 5% of the mobile phone market. Now, smartphones are close to 50% of the entire mobile phone market and selling around 200 million in a single quarter.
Back before the iPhone, the needs were very obvious (though admittedly, very difficult for a lot of manufacturers to solve). We all knew either in our heads or in our hearts, that we wanted access to our emails and the internet while we were away from our computers.
Today, we have that. With copy and paste. With multi tasking. With LTE speeds. And navigation systems. And appstores.
What is the great need that is not being fulfilled? Keyboard auto complete? Touchless gestures? Eyeball tracking? These sound like lipstick and eyeshadow to me. All aesthetic items that really only serve to make something look more attractive than it really is. And if not done well, only serves to uglify something that might have well been perfectly fine otherwise.
There are lots of interesting ideas out there. For example, why is my smartphone not better integrated to my car? Why doesn't my car have a display that mirrors the content of my phone and allow me to use my phone to drive car related functions? Why can't I check the status of my car (how much gas, how is the battery doing, do the brakes need to be worked on, etc.) remotely from my iPhone?
How about better home automation integration? Why is it such a PITA to make my house controllable by my smartphone? (Yes, I have been down this road. I have an ISY-994 controller, I have insteon devices, etc.)
Android can have the features that detect when a user is picking his nose. I would rather have features that solve everyday needs. And to do that, a brand new iOS is not necessarily what is needed but rather, a step back to ask, what problems do normal everyday people want to solve with these devices? And how can Apple enable these people to solve those problems?
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Because Siri was totally ready, and maps was totally ready to. Apple would never push out a turd ( Maps ), to save a couple bucks.
What lacks in innovation are these threads/responses. Can't we get some innovative responses and insights? The same boring stuff year after year
Oh the irony...
I absolutely don't agree with that. I was a BB user for years, and years before moving to iPhone. Their PDA capability was always the worst of the major choices out there (i.e., Palm, etc.). What they did better and first was push email and security manageability for enterprise. Without that one killer feature Palm would have crushed them.
Fast, good and cheap. You can never have all three. Sometimes you can have two. Frequently, you can have only one. That's why we as consumers should be careful what we ask for. Because without Steve Jobs at the helm, Apple might just give it to us. And as history has shown, that's not always a good thing.
