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BlackBerry Overtakes iPhone as Bestselling U.S. Smartphone in Q1
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I'm still on my 1st iPhone as are most the people I know (over 20). Only 1 person I know has had a replacement because it was DOA.
As a side note, in the UK, if you take out a 2 year contract, you get the iPhone for free on the £35 tariff so it would be interesting to see UK and or Worldwide sales for the iPhone too.
That is not a surprise. I mean, how many Curve models are there? 500?
RIM (retards in motion) just makes phones. Apple makes everything else.
RIM is a company of clueless suits, stumbling thru life.
RIM (retards in motion) just makes phones. Apple makes everything else.
RIM is a company of clueless suits, stumbling thru life.
What exactly is wrong with the majority of iPhones?
Palm Pre? You mean that vapourware that'll supposedly be on Sprint? That has to make sales in this economy with no App Store and only a fraction of the multimedia capabilities of the iPhone?
And RIM still has no viable Touch models.
And meanwhile the App Store is grwoing rapidly and we've got a new iPhone coming out in June that will again redefine the market.
I guess all the developers want to get in on the OTHER multimedia phone platform with the booming App Store that is releasing another game-changer in June . . . .
You were saying??
That would include me. Still hangin onto a _very_ flaky RAZR from 2005. Holding out hope that I can have an iPhone device without spending $2,400+ over a 2 year contract. Please Apple and AT&T create an affordable plan for the lower-middle class!
There's no way either of us can tell whose been by the genius bar longer. I do know that it's against Apple policy for any of their employees to post on rumor sites though, so be careful if you do still work for the big "A". I really get much of my info from a guy I work with that HATES working at the ARS.
You are correct that the tracking is done differently from back of house to front of house to service side of the stores, but the shipping of service parts and retail stock is only separated when it gets to the store.
My speculation rests in Apple shipping iPhones for various uses, then when those iPhones are finally "sold" Apple counting them as sold units.... i.e. it doesn't matter to Apple is an iPhone was DOA, used for a service replacement, bought new, bought then returned, etc. As long as there's a transaction in the system that shows an iPhone went out the door Apple is happy to report it as a unit sold.
My ignorance does rest in not know whether this is something all manufacturers are doing. The breakdown for me comes in to who handles the phones. When a BB craps out a users sends it back to Verizon, not the RIM store. With the iPhone it's all done by Apple.
This is exactly what I was going to say. Most iPhone lovers who are in the "know" won't buy one until after June. Of course Q1 sales are low. They are only being bought by people who don't follow Mac Releases and various business contracts.
This is exactly why the Curve is outselling the iPhone. It is available on some carriers without a smartphone plan.
That is not a good thing for Blackberry, as it means they are not collecting their monthly fees for the devices.
I would not expect the iPhone to be available without a data plan any time soon. The iPhone went to the subsidy model because people that do not think about monthly costs did not like the upfront payments... The original iPhone had relatively affordable plans, but Americans balked at the device cost, so now we are back to the subsidy BS. I will be interested to see what options they give to me as a 3G user when the new phone is released.
Both products are mainstream. BBs are used more in the biz arena and there are multiple models of BBs.
That's not fair, you know Americans are FAR more clumsier than Brits.
I admit everyday that I can't get an iPhone ONLY because I know I will drop it within the first week.
Now let me guess - you don't have a source to prove your so-called "fact." That about right?
Those you criticize do have facts, however - like the FACT that the bb curve 8300 series is being literally given away by most major carriers. Now I admit, that fact doesn't necessarily prove the ultimate conclusion (giving away phones = more of that phone "sold") but it's not exactly a huge leap is it?
If this were all about which phone is best, please explain how the curve 8300 is beating not only the iphone but superior blackberries including the curve 8900.
I don't know a single iphone user who has had a single replacement. See? We can play the "in my anecdotal experience" game all day.
Moreover, your whole theory that aple is counting replacement units as new sales is simply mind boggling. That would go past non-GAAP and border on criminal fraud. Believe me, that is NOT how apple or any hardware manufacturer counts sales.
What he said.
RIM doesn't need to collect on plan charges. Verizon buys the phones from them lock stock and barrel. RIM has made it's money already.
VZW takes the phone and lowers the cost to get you to buy one and then VZW makes the money on the plans.
Don't make it out to be an American thing. I am sure you whined about the 2 year contracts and forth on whichever other country you hail from.
Damn my employer for giving all employees new bb curves this past quarter!
But seriously, as others have said, wake me up when a bb model outsells the iphone without being literally given away.
Now let me guess - you don't have a source to prove your so-called "fact." That about right?
Those you criticize do have facts, however - like the FACT that the bb curve 8300 series is being literally given away by most major carriers. Now I admit, that fact doesn't necessarily prove the ultimate conclusion (giving away phones = more of that phone "sold") but it's not exactly a huge leap is it?
If this were all about which phone is, best please explain how the curve 8300 is beating not only the iphone but superior blackberries including Bold and, oh yeah, the curve 8900.
I don't know a single iphone user who has had a single replacement. See? We can play the "in my anecdotal experience" game all day.
Moreover, your whole theory that aple is counting replacement units as new sales is simply mind boggling. That would go past non-GAAP and border on criminal fraud. Believe me, that is NOT how apple or any hardware manufacturer counts sales.
What he said.
You aren't adding anything to the conversation anyway, and what's worse is you're using someone else's quote which wasn't a fact anyway as proof for your own statements.
I expect better of you Q.
Your posts have NEVER been a waste of time until now.
RIM gets a fee, every month, from carriers that supply phones with a Blackberry data plan, in exchange for Blackberry push service, which routes all messages through their servers. This is a HUGE cash cow for them. I promise they are not happy when those fees do not come in.
I am in the States, and I am furious that the 3G iPhone is subsidized. I was thrilled to pay the full cost for the first iPhone, and only reluctantly went back to the subsidy model for the 3G because it actually saved me money.
The one thing I can do in the States is stick to a GSM carrier that uses a SIM, which I do. That way, I at least have some ability to change my phones on my own.
Ok, so RIM sold more phones. They are selling their phone from how many carriers? Oh wait, I thought the Storm was suppose to be the iphone killer?
I never knew that. I do remember hearing about that when I was knee deep into the cell market. I gotta go catch up on some more Googling then.
Sorry, about the association then bro. But why would you be upset about the subsidy? I see what you mean in your post, but paying that initial cost of the first iPhone was a hard move for A LOT of people. The subsidy is definitely giving Apple that boost they do need to make it to 2nd place.
The plans were cheaper then, but the current ones aren't that bad.... bad yes, but not that bad.
Only in the fanboy/girl's mind. It works by taking any touch screen phone and instantly calling it an iPhone killer, then using horrible method to beat the phone down, like; "It doesn't sync with iTunes or Mobile Me," and "It doesn't have an iFart app," and the infamous, "It doesn't have an Apple logo!"
The iPhone is a cool innovative device, making a lot of users happy and Apple a lot of money. Who cares if it is number 1, 2 or 3...
Its not so much the hype in my circle, its initial cost, cost of the montly plan and its not verizon.
the iphone will be number one again because when the new iphone comes out they willdrop the price of the existing model. Oh but then again Apple won't drop the proce because it may damage the reputation, brand name, and so on.
With MS developing a copy cat of itunes things will start getting interesting. Especially since most corporate networks are windows based. Suddenly, syncing and accessing MS docs, email, and other goodies won't be apple exclusive
I think you are absolutely right that the subsidy has helped them gain marketshare, but I personally would not prefer it because without them plans would be cheaper, and users would be able to swtich phones whenever they liked.
Regardless of whether there is a subsidy or not, users still end up paying close to the same amount. But you have more freedom to change devices without subsidies.
Getting closer to back on topic (my fault...), it is interesting to see that the G1 is on the top five, and that Blackberry's "serious business" phones (the 88xx and the Bold) are missing. It seems like consumer features are now required to be at the top of the heap in the smartphone market, something that I did not think would come as early as 2009.
Apple does the same thing when a user is within the 30 days and has a DOA or just wants a different phone.
Those were never Apple exclusive.
It was pandemonium when people heard the iPhone wouldn't be able to view or edit MS Docs, and every smartphone since 1999 was able to do that, and sync (rather poorly though) with iCal and Address book and entourage and outlook.
Only now can we actually VIEW MS docs on the iPhone. Can't open and edit them just yet.
Our fault bro, and I agree. It came with the first iPhone. It had NOTHING in line with pro/smartphone features save for the internet. The biggest thing that changed in the industry was that smartphone became easier to use, and friendlier to the average joe. When the Pre was announced, it had all of that, AND it did many things the iPhone couldn't do. Until 3.0 was announced.