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"Today's" Apple iWonder... tomorrow's eBay $.99 trash.

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You had an interesting brain fart there.

Apple's G3 & G4 small white iBooks are selling for a higher price USED than the lower-end new faster netbooks. Looks to me like current non-apple products will be taking the shortcut trip to the bargain bin ahead of Apple.

An anecdote: GM pretty much held the lead in cars sold (I forget if it was in the world or US) until 2008. Toyota finally overtook them last year. But GM is now on the brink of not existing, while Toyota is taking its first losses in EVER.

The auto industry is a good case in point of what happens when a company does not produce the products its potential customers want. Come to think about it the same could be said about the G.O.P.

Early in the 20th century a little sales chant was begun that went: "To sell John Brown what John Brown buys, you have to see John Brown through John Brown's eyes."

Apple has been able to even anticipate what it is that John Brown needs before John Brown realizes he wants it. That's more vision than I have, and a lot more than most companies can muster.
 
i have a blackberry curve yay! lol but the true compatiblitiy with a mac pretty much sucks, even with missingsync

i rather have an iphone since my mac and an iphone will love each other to death lol. but i just dont want a touch screen keyboard though. :(
 
What country/carrier are you using, and did you change carriers as well as phones? Without this additional info your claims are just gas.

Why gas?

If he prefers his phone over a iPhone, then so be it... he may well have done his research and found another phone ( not iPhone - gasp :-\ ) better value for money.

Its about time people on this forum realize the iPhone has its weaknesses and does not appeal to every requirement out there.

The E71 has functionality not found on an iPhone, for example, turn by turn navigation, copy and paste, run background apps, longer battery life to name a few. Perhaps these features to some are more important than what the iPhone offers.

( iPhone software 3 has some of these, but its not out yet, its still beta - incomplete software )
 
Upon reading this, I thought to myself "well yeah of course, that makes sense". But then I thought about it a little more and thought....outside of these forums and mac enthusiasts, how many people are pretty sure there is a new iphone coming?

Most people have no idea there is going to be a new iphone, I would guess.
To sum it up, I don't think Apple getting outsold by Blackberry is because everyone is holding out until the new one comes out.

Not "everyone" is aware of the new iPhone coming out, AND not "everyone" is holding out for the new iPhone. Enough people are buying iPhone right along to hold the iPhone in 2nd place, not 3rd, or 4th, or 5th or...

in addition to the people aware of a new phone on the way, there are millions of initial iPhone customers who are waiting for their 2-year contract to run out in a month or so before renewing and they are ready to snatch up last years second generation iPhone (assuming they don't even know a "next gen" phone is in the wings.)
 
Gas...because he didn't supply enough info for a person to use his statements as usable facts. To see any value, one has to ASSUME too much, just as you did in order to reply.

I have an E71.. and would consider myself a power user. The iPhone has a nice GUI, no one would argue that, but the phone is crippled, thanks to Apple. The E71 offers me far more functionality than the iPhone does for my particular needs:
* multi-task background apps
* turn by turn navigation
* longer battery life
* freely switch the SIM card ( I chose to buy the phone outright) when I go out of country
* I prefer a physical keyboard
* Bluetooth data transfer

Yes, I'm aware the iPhone has turn by turn , copy and paste in v3.0 but I don't like to be told what Apps I can install on my phone, where I must buy / download them from and what network I should use.
 
Sure. Apple saves money by not doing extensive QA at the factory. Instead, they let the customers use up their own precious time bringing the bad units back to the stores.

Apple cheerfully gives a replacement unit, and the customer goes away feeling like they've been well taken care of. The unit is then actually fixed, QA'd and recycled for the next person.

Win-win for Apple all around. Best scam on the planet. :cool:

Makes perfect sense to me. With the sole exception of snow leopard, which they seem to be taking the time to get right (Blu-ray), that's how they've done quality control on every update and release of the OS since Panther with early adopters as beta-testers and bugfinders.

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We'll all be extinct? Only a fool pledges blind allegiance to any platform without keeping an eye on all technologies......yourself included.

Apple gone? Fine, I'll use something else. MS gone? Fine, I'll use something else. Are you that crippled that you must feel the need to pick the "winning team"?

No, I am not crippled. My business demands I pick the winning team.

And I do, even if I have to scream at them from the sidelines to keep them winning.

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You had an interesting brain fart there.

Apple's G3 & G4 small white iBooks are selling for a higher price USED than the lower-end new faster netbooks. Looks to me like current non-apple products will be taking the shortcut trip to the bargain bin ahead of Apple.

Not for long...

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LOL, Apple decided to start coding for 3.0 when the Pre was announced. I mean the thought that they would unveil a new OS in March like they did 2.0 in March of last year.

What coma did you just awaken from? Apple announced the 3.0 feature set and APIs about the same time as the Palm was showing off their prototype.

While the Palm Pre has some great features, there is some disturbing reports that it is slow and unresponsive due to those features.

The founders of Apple got their start in electronics by building "blue-box" devices that fooled the phone giants' hardware into letting them steal long-distant time. Perhaps, now that they are on the other end of the stick, Apple is more cautious in how they allow the iPhone to run more than one program at a time, or what software it is allowed to run on the iPhone.

You may not be aware that organized crime has figured out how to trick a certain Nokia phone to empty people's bank accounts. It would be a sales nightmare if any one of the many new smart phones were to get a reputation for sending commands hidden from the sender or receiver.
 
It doesn't matter that RIM has more phones because Apple's plan was to dominate the market with one iPhone and the plan was going well but now it has failed.
This is good because the iPhone is not competitive enough, they are forced to give consumers more choices.
 
What coma did you just awaken from? Apple announced the 3.0 feature set and APIs about the same time as the Palm was showing off their prototype.

While the Palm Pre has some great features, there is some disturbing reports that it is slow and unresponsive due to those features.

The founders of Apple got their start in electronics by building "blue-box" devices that fooled the phone giants' hardware into letting them steal long-distant time. Perhaps, now that they are on the other end of the stick, Apple is more cautious in how they allow the iPhone to run more than one program at a time, or what software it is allowed to run on the iPhone.

You may not be aware that organized crime has figured out how to trick a certain Nokia phone to empty people's bank accounts. It would be a sales nightmare if any one of the many new smart phones were to get a reputation for sending commands hidden from the sender or receiver.

What are you talking about:

Palm Pre was shown in January
iphone 3.0 was shown in March and slated to be released in the summer

iphone 2.0 was shown in March of 2008 and released in the summer.

How is 3.0 a reactionary move to the Pre like some here want us to believe.

It doesn't matter that RIM has more phones because Apple's plan was to dominate the market with one iPhone and the plan was going well but now it has failed.
This is good because the iPhone is not competitive enough, they are forced to give consumers more choices.

LOL at some of these dudes. So you know Appe's plans. As for the iphone being a failure that's quite laughable, Apple is making more money than RIM and their iphone OS platform is more attractive to developers. RIM just recently announced the sale of their 50th million blackberry in 10 years. Apple in less than 2 years has sold 37 million iphone OS devices, with 21 million being iphones, so much for failures, lol.
 
I have an E71.. and would consider myself a power user. The iPhone has a nice GUI, no one would argue that, but the phone is crippled, thanks to Apple. The E71 offers me far more functionality than the iPhone does for my particular needs:
* multi-task background apps
* turn by turn navigation
* longer battery life
* freely switch the SIM card ( I chose to buy the phone outright) when I go out of country
* I prefer a physical keyboard
* Bluetooth data transfer

Yes, I'm aware the iPhone has turn by turn , copy and paste in v3.0 but I don't like to be told what Apps I can install on my phone, where I must buy / download them from and what network I should use.

Stella, Stella, Stella...my comments were not dissing the damn E71. They were about the comments about cost of the carrier. Somehow you skidded the context off the road and into the brush. I'd go out and buy the E71 if the cost savings were as high as the initial sketchy information suggested.
 
What are you talking about:

Palm Pre was shown in January
iphone 3.0 was shown in March and slated to be released in the summer

iphone 2.0 was shown in March of 2008 and released in the summer.

How is 3.0 a reactionary move to the Pre like some here want us to believe.

Please don't confuse me with those who fantasize that somehow Apple reacted to the Pre with 3.0 in a matter of a handful of weeks.

Palm would have been totally nuts to have made a phone that only matched the iPhone specs. They had to anticipate that Apple was a moving target and plan a feature set accordingly. Yes, they targeted the soft spots in the iPhone feature set and they added some nice new features and a maybe knocked off the GUI a bit too closely to avoid getting sued.

Apple, on the other hand, knows very well they are a target by everyone in the smart phone business and needs to keep raising the bar. That process likely started before the last incarnation of version 2 went out the door.

I think that inertia is on Apple's side in all this. If Apple's 5 year strategy is to prevail, then their competitors will be always playing to catch up and overtake Apple. If Apple loses the inertia (and that can happen) then they will be scrambling to match competitor's feature sets.

Odds are that by the time the Pre hits the market it will be competing with a 3rd generation iPhone with superior specs... not a good place for a 1st generation competitor with no App Store brimming with goodies (which, by the way, tie iPhone/Touch owners to their existing Apple products better even then brand loyalty could).

Another matter to consider is the manufacturer's cost to build the hardware. Right now the iPhone is less expensive to make then the BB Storm, so it's smart for BB to "sell down" to the lesser phone. No one yet knows what a Palm Pre will cost to make, but Apple's current lower cost of manufacturing (than the Storm) and the ability to do their own custom chips in the near future, gives Apple a path to ride out "Phone Wars" to come.

While I know that Apple loves to have fat margins, last year they told investors to not expect such margins in the future, signaling, to me that they actually felt they might have had to slash prices before this date, and that they are planning on doing so at some point.

Finally, if I were to see where Apple has to anticipate some serious competition it would come from current iPhone owners selling their old phones on eBay after upgrading to the next incarnation of iPhone. Apple needs to continue to make the latest model compelling enough to upgrade to, and cost just barely enough more than the used iPhones to lure new customers to upgrade. In this way the iPhone is a lot like the iPods and Macs.

In addition to the cost of upgrading phones, anyone that buys an iPod, iPhone, iTouch, or Macintosh, has an investment in applications or music that vanishes with a change to brand X devices. Anyone contemplating changing brands, is likely to factor that into the financial equation and be more likely to stay with Apple.

It's been a long time since I've seen such a dynamic market as the smart phone segment has become since Apple's entrance.
 
Not "everyone" is aware of the new iPhone coming out, AND not "everyone" is holding out for the new iPhone. Enough people are buying iPhone right along to hold the iPhone in 2nd place, not 3rd, or 4th, or 5th or....

I agree. The only people "aware" that a new iPhone is coming out are the people who write for the media and Apple or cellphone enthusiasts. Regular Joe Schmoe has no idea what's coming out. People don't really care about what cellphones are out there until their 2 year contract is up.

As for Apple's average customer, have you guys been in an Apple Store lately? It's full of teenagers fiddling with the colorful iPods while hitting on each other or whining to their Daddies that they want a new MacBook.
 
What coma did you just awaken from? Apple announced the 3.0 feature set and APIs about the same time as the Palm was showing off their prototype.

Pre was first introduced at CES 2009 on 1/8/09. Apple previewed 3.0 on 3/17/09.

While is not accurate to say that 3.0 was made in response to the Pre, I do believe that some features were added-on due to the Pre. These features were likely already developed and were perhaps not going to be introduced so soon (not exactly ready for "Prime-time"). These features were likely going to be slowly rolled-out to keep public interest (as Apple likes to do). The Pre comes out and Apple says; "Gee, maybe we should beef-up 3.0 a little more". Just a hunch.
 
I think you're giving the Pre a little bit too much credit there buddy.
 
* freely switch the SIM card ( I chose to buy the phone outright) when I go out of country
Blame it on your wireless provider. iPhones are sold unlocked in countries like Hong Kong and Singapore, even under contract/subsidized.
 
I think you're giving the Pre a little bit too much credit there buddy.

I think you're giving Apple a little bit too much credit there buddy.

There are already extensive threads about this subject. People take sides. It's all been done before...
 
I think you're giving Apple a little bit too much credit there buddy.
The primary difference here is that Apple has already earned the credit they've been given. The Pre, on the other hand, is still a bit shy of reality.
 
This was just in the US. Toyota has held the crown for top sales in the world for a long time.

Dead wrong.

From this press release dated 1/20/09:

General Motors Corp. (NYSE: GM), the world’s largest automaker, has been the annual global industry sales leader for 77 years. Founded in 1908, GM today employs about 252,000 people around the world. With global headquarters in Detroit, GM manufactures its cars and trucks in 34 countries. In 2007, nearly 9.37 million GM cars and trucks were sold globally under the following brands: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, GM Daewoo, Holden, HUMMER, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Vauxhall and Wuling. GM’s OnStar subsidiary is the industry leader in vehicle safety, security and information services. More information on GM can be found at www.gm.com.

It wasn't until 1/21/09 that GM was forced to give up the title as evidenced by the content and ending of this press release. The description of GM from the press release states:

General Motors Corp. (NYSE: GM), one of the world's largest automakers, was founded in 1908, and today manufactures cars and trucks in 34 countries. With global headquarters in Detroit, GM employs 252,000 people in every major region of the world, and sells and services vehicles in some 140 countries. In 2008, 8.35 million GM cars and trucks were sold globally under the following brands: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, GM Daewoo, Holden, Hummer, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Vauxhall and Wuling. GM's OnStar subsidiary is the industry leader in vehicle safety, security and information services. More information on GM can be found at www.gm.com.
 

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What country/carrier are you using, and did you change carriers as well as phones? Without this additional info your claims are just gas.


I didn't post it for verification, I don't really care but since you ask.

Uk, o2, iPhone - £35pcm plus £99 for phone

Uk, Hutchison 3G - £20pcm plus free phone.

TCO (18mths)

iphone - £729

E71 - £360

49.4%
 
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