BlackBerry PlayBook Coming April 19th at $499, Samsung Intros 8.9" and 10.1" Galaxy T

[hunkaburningluv]

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Competition is good.

Make a case for your argument.

Well, you only need to look at what happened with the gameboy to see that competition is good.

After seeing off the game gear and lynx, the gameboy stagnated for almost a decade. How long did it take before there was a colour version? Years, yet we've seen some great revisions since the PSP was announced.

 

[KnightWRX]

Well, you only need to look at what happened with the gameboy to see that competition is good.

After seeing off the game gear and lynx, the gameboy stagnated for almost a decade. How long did it take before there was a colour version? Years, yet we've seen some great revisions since the PSP was announced.

Internet Explorer 6. Case closed on "competition is good". Seriously, that anyone would doubt it at this point is baffling.

 

[I WAS the one]

Let's the game begin.... Nothing will be greater than the iPad unless they make an iOS based Tablet.

 

[hunkaburningluv]

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Well, you only need to look at what happened with the gameboy to see that competition is good.

After seeing off the game gear and lynx, the gameboy stagnated for almost a decade. How long did it take before there was a colour version? Years, yet we've seen some great revisions since the PSP was announced.

Internet Explorer 6. Case closed on "competition is good". Seriously, that anyone would doubt it at this point is baffling.

Totally agree, competition breeds innovation. Ninty was happy churning out marginal updates.

 

[Digital Skunk]

To be fair, every smartphone on the market is an iPhone clone and every tablet an iPad clone, so it is all related to Apple in that way.

Well, there was this now extinct company called Palm. That once a long long time ago had the Palm TX, and full sized 4" touch screen PDA that had everything but the CDMA/GMS chip to make phone calls.

Then there was the Palm Treo which dated back to 2002 with technology the iPhone still doesn't have

Then there are OG (ol' skool) nerd/geeks like myself that emailed and blogged and badgered Palm to merge the two together.

Apple just beat them to the market. The iPhone is essential a conglomeration of many devices and concepts.

The true and ONLY breakthrough that Apple brought was the OS to manage all of that technology.

Everyone needs to take a step back and think a bit deeper on these things if we wish the conversations to ever go anywhere.

 

[alent1234]

To be fair, every smartphone on the market is an iPhone clone and every tablet an iPad clone, so it is all related to Apple in that way.

a lot of the iphone engineers are former palm employees

 

[DeathChill]

a lot of the iphone engineers are former palm employees

Palm was founded by Apple employees who worked on the Newton.

 

[gorgeousninja]

Complete BS "iphone" lookalikes date back to ebfore the iphone was anounced. So either some companys have people who can predict the future, or the design and tech behind the iphone was aused BEFORe it was released and apple just changed excisting designs.

Ipad is basicly a large smartphone.

History revisionist ahoy!

Please name us one single phone that the original iPhone is a direct copy of....

That's right, there isn't one....

Oh, and if the iPad is really just a smartphone, it's rather lacking in 'phone' features don't you think?...

So you don't continue to make too big a fool of yourself, the iPhone is in actual fact just a small iPad.

The iPad concept predates the iPhone, though they needed the rest of the world to catch up to them before they could release it.

Feel free to stick your fingers in your ears and scream so you can't hear..

but it's still the truth...

 

[marksman]

Complete BS "iphone" lookalikes date back to ebfore the iphone was anounced. So either some companys have people who can predict the future, or the design and tech behind the iphone was aused BEFORe it was released and apple just changed excisting designs.

Ipad is basicly a large smartphone.

LOL what?

Perhaps you just dont have any experience with other UI's? That people jailbreak to specificly change certain parts of it shows there is something lacking.

The context where UI and grid-like were used were not correct.

Better notifications, different user profiles, better accesibility on settings, better multitasking, better start screen , more interactivity on the home screen,...

People are saying they want the UI changed because it LOOKS dated, not because of anything it allows the user to do.

You dont seem to understand what he is saying.

multitasking is being able to run different programs at the same time. The ipad 1 isnt really capable of this as it laks ram to hold those programs in memeory.

Apple solution is a cripled form of multitasking. Certain task can be done in the background and even certain programs are allowed to run completly in the background yet this all has to be coded AND remains hampered by the lack of ram.

I am pretty sure I know what Apple does and the person I was replying to did not, not sure why you are defending them when they clearly did not understand it.

Even in the browser you have trouble keeping open tabs as they constantly need to refresh as you switch as it runs out of memory.

Yeah on the original iPad, and on the original iPhone as well. With the memory added now it is not a problem. Again people complaining about things they don't even understand.

So you really think an extra 256MB of ram would have destroyed the battery life on the ipad? Strange how it DOESNT do that on the iphone 4 or comparable tablets.

The original iPad had only 256mb of ram because Apple wanted to reach a killer price point, at $499. They managed to do it, and do it in Spades. This one factor alone has made it amazingly difficult for anyone to compete with the iPad in the space to deliver the specs and price point. You notice the iPad 2 has more memory right?

If you got any source to back this up, post it otherwise its a myth like the "multitasking destroys battery life"

WAT? Do you know how computers work?

You should perhaps look beyond macrumors, plenty out there and depending on the consumer some better other worse then the ipad 1 and 2 .

Plenty of what out where? Tablets? Are you serious? The Xoom, some tiny galaxy tab that is not really a comparable device? Are you serious that there are plenty out there? When the iPad 2 was already finished being designed and developed there were NO other legitimate tablet models in the marketplace.

And britney spears sold a lot of almbums at a time, so at that time she was "the best"? BS of course.

LOL what? So Apple sells a lot of expensive computing devices because they suck? Your point doesn't make sense. It is like you are just spinning in circles with this post about to throw up.

Wich will be no different then for the iphone, and we both know within 2 years android outsold the iphone.

So you don't understand the primary differences between the cellphone market and the launch of the iPhone and the tablet market and the launch of the iPad. If you did you would understand why this is not the case.

Not to mention Android is an OS and the iPhone is a piece of hardware. You do know the difference between an operating system and a piece of hardware right?

 

[Amazing Iceman]

And every new version of itunes requires a bigger and faster computer to run, your point? Hardware moves on , every companys takes advantage of that.

office 2010 runs fine on older hardware just like windows 7 does. I would suggest you tr it out yourself before making such statements. Office 2010 runs fine on my 5 year old computer my wife uses.

If you read my original post, you'll notice that I was referring to the fact that many programmers are careless about optimizing their code all because they can count on a large amount of resources, and because they get lazy.
That's why recently Microsoft made a big deal about some of their new software being either rewritten or optimized, when the case is that it was already expected from them to deploy optimized software.

Most Mac programmers are good at optimizing, while many Windows programmers are not.

I have seen Office for Windows run on several computers, as I provide IT support. I know how it works, not just because I see it, but because the users complain about it. Surely, it may run decent on a system with a large size of RAM, but if they didn't have that much RAM and the previous version ran fine with what they had, and now the new one runs slow while adding not enough functionality, then that's being a sloppy programmer.

I don't want to start a discussion about Office 2010, I don't really have a problem about it, plus it gets off topic.

 

[alent1234]

LOL what?

LG and others had semi-smartphones with 3.5" screens back in 2006 and early 2007

 

[NT1440]

. Wow, completely clicked on the wrong tab.....

 

[Amazing Iceman]

Is MacRumors branching out to coverage of all tablets and media players now? I can't speak for everyone who visits the site but I come here to read about Apple products, not the competition's knock-offs.

True, but it's always good to know about what's out there to avoid 'falling for temptation'.

When the iPad came out, I thought it was just a toy, and was excited about the 'other' tablets coming out, which in the end never saw the light of day.
It was on part due to my regular visits to the MacRumors website and forums that I got the incentive to go buy an iPad, under the premises that ifnI didn't like, I would return it. And I still haven't.

I have been able to see other tablets too, but none really catched my attention. Some felt like cheap plastic, others had a display that was too small, etc. So far, I want an iPad2, but while I wait for it to become easily available, I don't mind reading and trying other tablets. So far all that keeps showing how great the iPad is.

 

[georgee2face]

Well, let's hear it for the Angles and the Saxons who came down frrom the North Sea ( Dennmark, Germany, france and the Netherlands) to start the language we can argue over so fluently and ardently today!!!!!
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You know, this silly attitude really becomes tiring. Modern English really began in the 1600s, as did English colonization of what is now North America. The British English and American English languages formed concurrently, American is NOT a late offshoot. Rather, they both stem from the same Middle and Old English, but separately.

Get over yourselves.

 

[LagunaSol]

It's telling that a discussion about RIM's and Samsung's tablet devices devolve into a battle over the English language and the proper positioning of the pinky finger while drinking tea.

My hunch is these "iPad Killer" devices will get similar attention from the typical consumer (Zzzz....) while the iPad continues to snowball into an iPod-like phenomenon.

 

[Starflyer]

So you don't understand the primary differences between the cellphone market and the launch of the iPhone and the tablet market and the launch of the iPad. If you did you would understand why this is not the case.

Exactly. What people fail to realize is that the iPad market is more comparable to the iPod Touch then the iPhone for which there still isn't any competition.

 

[gorgeousninja]

LG and others had semi-smartphones with 3.5" screens back in 2006 and early 2007

If you ever used one of the LG phones or the numerous Japanese keitai's of that time then you'd know, that even though they were cutting edge for the time, they were still nowhere near being 'smartphones'.

Terrible UI with endless menu's, confusing icons, and new features randomly bolted on.

No matter how much the petty minded haters want to see it, the truth is that Apple made a quantum leap forward with the iPhone, and some people ought to be a little less bitter and more thankful for it.

 

[LagunaSol]

Exactly. What people don't understand is that the iPad market is more comparable to the iPod Touch then the iPhone for which there still isn't any competition.

They're in denial.

They're also waiting for the "inevitable" buy-one-Android-tablet-get-one-free deals that are sure to happen (just like with smartphones). Right?

 

[edwurtle]

Will I make a snap judgement? No. I'll try the damn thing first before making a judgement.

Do I see these tablets wiping out the iPad? Not a chance. Not in a million years. Do I see future versions of the Playbook and Samsung tabs wiping out the iPad? Perhaps, who can say. Mobile computing and tablets are here to stay now - saying and believing that the iPad will remain as dominant is pure wishful thinking from the more fanboy-minded of us.

Did I have a great time with David Lickner last night? I sure did. Do I think there is a future here? I don't see why not.

 

[alent1234]

If you ever used one of the LG phones or the numerous Japanese keitai's of that time then you'd know, that even though they were cutting edge for the time, they were still nowhere near being 'smartphones'.

Terrible UI with endless menu's, confusing icons, and new features randomly bolted on.

No matter how much the petty minded haters want to see it, the truth is that Apple made a quantum leap forward with the iPhone, and some people ought to be a little less bitter and more thankful for it.

the big thing with the original iphone was a good web browser. the 3G was the first one that was really worth buying.

apple had so much problems developing the iphone that just like the ipad they put a weak device out to market for version 1 and spent another year finishing it

 

[hayesk]

Sorry, completely forgot about that.

iOS rocks in apps, but it does suck *** in terms of notifications and true multitasking.

iOS doesn't suck in terms of true multitasking because it doesn't use "true" multitasking. iOS excels at using a form of multitasking that is appropriate for the hardware it is running on.

 

[marksman]

LG and others had semi-smartphones with 3.5" screens back in 2006 and early 2007

Do you know what an iPhone is and does?

How is that comparable?

I have an original Palm PDA still shrink wrapped from the store from 1994. What relevance is that?

Are you trying to imply that those devices were in the least bit similar to an iPhone besides relative dimensions of the screen?

 

[kdarling]

If you read my original post, you'll notice that I was referring to the fact that many programmers are careless about optimizing their code all because they can count on a large amount of resources, and because they get lazy.

I think anyone programming above assembly language and/or on a device with more than about 16K of memory, gets lazy

Most Mac programmers are good at optimizing, while many Windows programmers are not.

Where does Apple's horrible iTunes for Windows fit into this myth?

 

[NT1440]

Good for Samsung!

To the industry: THIS is the approach you take to new markets. Don't just come up with an answer to the original (iPad in this case), get you engineers engaged and push to define where the market will go, not where it currently is.

This is honestly the first tablet introduced by the industry that I feel is a competitor to the iPad.

That said, sales wise iPad will be king of the castle for quite some time. You can't really price the apple ecosystem, or beat the usability of iOS. iPad definitely has the mindshare, which is what you need in emerging markets. Take a look at the category definers Apple has introduced. Basically they set the standard for whatever market they are in (with exceptions for a few).

 

[madhatter61]

Widescreen is great for movie watching, and the spec-lover in me is all over that... but it’s not very flexible for portrait use. (Which is how you hold a tablet one-handed, and is how you see the most content on a web page or scrolling document.)

A 10.1” 1280x800 screen is actually almost exactly the same screen area as an iPad: the iPad is 45.2 sq. in., and the 10.1 is 45.8 sq. in.

Held in portrait mode, the 10.1 is .75” taller... but .5” narrower than an iPad. I don’t think I’d care for that. (But with 1280x800 you do gain 32 pixels of width, and 256 pixels of height. Still not great for portrait use.)

The 8.9 display, though—which seems to save a few bucks—is an interesting option for dropping the price floor on “real” tablets. (Not that I’d settle for Android’s failings. As pointed out: specs alone don’t make a good car, nor a good computer, nor a good tablet!)

Ha ha Good thinking!

Actually if you look at Xoom and Samsung 10.1 are both 16:10 ratio ... perfect for movies ... the iPAD is 4x3 old TV ratio ... creates the need for filler top/side bars... I think that is called letterboxing ... CRS?

The key advantage for iPAD is in Landscape there is more vertical space for the virtual keyboard ... duh?

Also key here is PPI and is the heart of the display issue. Apple wants the same density of PPI so software development has a common display requirement. Then all apps work across the board. That is why Apple has hundreds of thousands of apps that work.