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BlackBerry Storm Downgraded to a Depression

Rat-Boy said:
If someone wants the best PHONE on the market, and they by an iPhone, they they are a fool.

I love my iPhone.

But the PHONE part is so inferior to that of just about every other cell I have owned it is a joke.

StarTAC? Better TELEPHONE.

Blackberry Pearl? Better TELEPHONE.

Blackberry Curve? Better TELEPHONE.

Cingular 8525 (Tilt with no tilt)? Better TELEPHONE.

RAZR? Better TELEPHONE.

Sony Ericsson w600i? Better TELEPHONE.

None of those phones dropped calls and had call set up failures even coming close to the rate of the iPhone in those departments.

(I know you really meant DEVICE, and am only being a smart azz.) :D
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I've only had one dropped call with my iPhone, and I don't think it the iPhone's fault since I was talking to my sister at the time and she has terrible reception at her house. When I had a Razr on the other hand it was always dropping calls. Sometimes I had my Razr with me, with a full charge and full signal and I would have to use a landline to make a call since the Razr would turn itself off and on whenever I tried to call someone.
 
Digital Skunk said:
Which may be what others like, since it's only his opinion and goes the same way with all the other products on the market.



No, they just want to follow the crowd, and get things because some fanboy told them too. I would bet cold cash that many getting the iPhone don't know what they hell they are buying.

Much like those that buy Macs to surf the web and write papers and nothing else.



Unless you link it, it doesn't mean anything.

Simply put, I don't like fanboys and girls bashing other products based on biased reviews.
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This is such an elitist statement. To think that people who buy macs have to have some sort of higher calling and need to do such lofty things with their computers. What is so wrong with someone buying a mac to surf the net and write papers? Your statement is part of the reason why people think mac users are such snobs and fanboys.

As far as the link for your iphone build quality, here ya go. http://baltimore.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2008/11/24/daily18.html?ana=yfcpc
 
I actually waited for the Arrival of the Storm, because I wanted to stay with Verizon and not switch to AT&T. So I when it came out I went to the Verizon Store to check it out and used it for a good half hour. Within about 5 minutes I knew my decision was final, I was switching.

The Storm was just awful. You could have taken a nap in the time it took to convert when you turned it horizontal. Nothing was accurate I was typing at all. Really, the fuss was over nothing and BB convinced me to go with the iPhone. I will be making the change in the next couple of weeks when my contract expires, and I can not wait!
 
thomamon said:
I actually waited for the Arrival of the Storm, because I wanted to stay with Verizon and not switch to AT&T. So I when it came out I went to the Verizon Store to check it out and used it for a good half hour. Within about 5 minutes I knew my decision was final, I was switching.

The Storm was just awful. You could have taken a nap in the time it took to convert when you turned it horizontal. Nothing was accurate I was typing at all. Really, the fuss was over nothing and BB convinced me to go with the iPhone. I will be making the change in the next couple of weeks when my contract expires, and I can not wait!
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You realize it probably had 20 apps running since whoever used it before you and the person before them and the person before them didnt close the apps?

I had a similar reaction while I was waiting to exchange my LG Voyager. I thought "do I really want this??" But once I was out with it, its was 100x better than the demo unit.
 
VoodooDaddy said:
You realize it probably had 20 apps running since whoever used it before you and the person before them and the person before them didnt close the apps?

I had a similar reaction while I was waiting to exchange my LG Voyager. I thought "do I really want this??" But once I was out with it, its was 100x better than the demo unit.
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I rebooted it because I did think of that. Unfortunately it was no better. And from the reviews I've seen, I'm not the only one.
 
Well, honestly, I've never had a Storm in my hands. I don't live in the USA, and I don't think they even sell the Storm here in Switzerland for the time being.

But I posted the link to the review because it did seem to be serious and because I've read more than one thread where users are considering to drop the iPhone for a Storm. I thought that if the review were honest (I'm not saying objective, it can still be biased by personal taste, but at least honest...), this would be an interesting read for those people considering the switch.

Then I decided to go to youtube and found this review and I must say that it seems pretty consistent with the allegations of the author of the written review as well as the opinions that some other members of the forum have expressed. The Storm does seem to be painfully slow.

I don't consider myself an Apple fanboy. Far from that... but I do believe that (at least) the iPhone interface is years ahead of what the Storm is offering right now, more than a year after the original iPhone hit the stores. And from what I have read and seen, with all the (well known) missing features of the iPhone, it seems clear to me that I would miss it if I had to drop it and started using a Storm.
 
arubinst said:
but I do believe that (at least) the iPhone interface is years ahead of what the Storm is offering right now,
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There is no question that the iPhone experience is MUCH MUCH smoother and more fluid than the Storm. It does things the Storm only dreams about. (multimedia stuff, pinch/zoom is a Godsend, I only wish the Storm had that)

However, I think alot of the criticism is really overblown. Its not as bad as everyone is making out, its not as great as the BB/VZ fanboys are making out. They sound like most of the poster here, that the "iPhone sucks, its a toy" blah blah blah. Gets old reading both sides acting like little kids.

As Ive said a number of times, the iPhone does some things very well, but has a few things that need fixing. The Storm is the same way. I still dont get the mentality that your device, but it iPhone or Storm, HAS to be the best device out there for you to sleep well at night.
 
plumbingandtech said:
Only he stated exactly what he did not like and they are items that others have mentioned as well.

Digital Skunk said:
Which may be what others like, since it's only his opinion and goes the same way with all the other products on the market.
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Oh, yes, all the folks around here who hate the fact that their iPhone has Wi-Fi. Those folks will be switching to the Storm in droves! :D

And everyone who just doesn't like the fact that the iPhone interface moves instantly when you touch it...those folks will appreciate the fact that the Storm makes you wait a second. Those are good points. It's good to see RIM catering to these ignored consumers.

Seriously, though. What the heck? You're arguing that saying these are bad things is just an opinion? Where are the people who disagree and want these "features?" You seem to be the only one.
 
Small White Car said:
Where are the people who disagree and want these "features?" You seem to be the only one.
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copy/paste
mms
real push email (nope, I dont care what you say, iPhone dont have it)
replaceable battery

Just to name a few. I know you thought you were being funny, but if you take off the rose colored glasses there are things the Storm has the upper hand in at the moment.

And just to be fair, the iPhone has:

app store
pinch/zoom --> this will never be beaten on any phone
wifi --> a HUGE one here, I dont care what the BB fanboys say
and last but not least a very stable and intuitive OS.

The only point Ive been trying to make here about the Storm, and even at the BB forums about the iPhone, is try to use a little objectivity. I think that might be impossible for some people though.
 
arubinst said:
For those considering the Storm (and for anyone else feeling like a good read), here's this excellent article from the NY Times.

Enjoy!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/27/t...bl&ex=1227848400&en=5a50becfbe5bac73&ei=5087
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Heh, as soon as I saw the thread title I immediately thought of that article - I read it a few hours ago using the NYTimes iPhone/iPod touch app.

The Storm seems totally ridiculous, it's clearly just RIM trying to break into the touchscreen market at trying to gain back customers that switched to the iPhone...
 
VoodooDaddy said:
copy/paste
mms
real push email (nope, I dont care what you say, iPhone dont have it)
replaceable battery

Just to name a few. I know you thought you were being funny, but if you take off the rose colored glasses there are things the Storm has the upper hand in at the moment.
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The post I was responding to said that the reviewer was biased and that some people may like the Storm for the reasons the reviewer didn't like it. I disagreed with that assessment and argued that the things he disliked are things anyone would dislike.

I don't see how the iPhone has anything to do with that particular post or my response to it. So I'm not really clear on what you're trying to say here.
 
kdarling said:
It's well known that RIM had to back out to an earlier, slower version of its OS just before launch.

The point is, there was a faster Storm version and it'll most likely come back again.
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FWIW, The Boy Genius redacted his theory that the OS was ever rolled back (after hearing directly from RIM).

Well, it looks it looks like we can put the first Storm conspiracy theory to rest, as RIM has now come out and said that the supposed delay-causing Storm OS glitch was, in fact, more of a sticker glitch, and that there was never such a thing as an OS version 4.7.0.82. As you may recall, the rumors started flying when some Storms started showing up with a sticker indicating the OS version as 4.7.0.82, while the device itself showed that the OS was version 4.7.0.65. That prompted some to speculate that the OS had to be downgraded at the last minute, prompting the delay, but according to RIM, the problem was simply that "several thousand" boxes were printed with the incorrect version number, which then had to be covered up with the proper sticker. Unfortunately, RIM didn't have anything to say about an actual update for the OS, which could certainly use a little patching up of its own.
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http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/24/rim-clears-up-blackberry-storm-os-situation/
 
VoodooDaddy said:
copy/paste
mms
real push email (nope, I dont care what you say, iPhone dont have it)
replaceable battery

Just to name a few. I know you thought you were being funny, but if you take off the rose colored glasses there are things the Storm has the upper hand in at the moment.

And just to be fair, the iPhone has:

app store
pinch/zoom --> this will never be beaten on any phone
wifi --> a HUGE one here, I dont care what the BB fanboys say
and last but not least a very stable and intuitive OS.

The only point Ive been trying to make here about the Storm, and even at the BB forums about the iPhone, is try to use a little objectivity. I think that might be impossible for some people though.
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You know, I decided to test your push email 'theory'. I'm running MS Exchange on both my iPhone and the BB 8830 and sent out 3 test emails.

Test one: Both arrived simultaneously.
Test two: BB arrived first, followed by iPhone two seconds after.
Test three: Both arrived simultaneously.

So much for the push theory.

To be honest, even if Apple corrected all the flaws you named, someone else would come up with more flaws. Overall, I'm very pleased with mine.

Aside from Mobile Me and Yahoo, no other email service was advertised as being push.
 
VoodooDaddy said:
You realize it probably had 20 apps running since whoever used it before you and the person before them and the person before them didnt close the apps?
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Actually, when I tried the Storm at the Verizon store, I know for a fact that the Storm was not running any bakcground apps, and it was still unbearably sluggish and unstable.

You know how I know? because the 2 display units at the store kept locking up when people used them, requiring the sales reps to reset the units. It came out of a fresh reset when I had my hands on it. And it locked up again as I was using it, forcing the rep to intervene with a reset again.

And in any case, if running a bunch of apps in the background causes that much instability, then why allow it to happen? If running background apps is going to cause such a horribly bad user experience, then I'd rather it not run much of anything in the bakground!

But again, for me the point is moot because it just didn't happen that way.

RIM DOES make good handsets. If I wsn't happy with the iPhone, I'd be using a Bold right now, in spite of the bad experience I once had a with a Blackberry. it's just THAT good. But, one aspect of the NY Times article is dead on: RIM rushed this phone to market too quickly, and diverged significantly from what they are known for. RIM shouldn't be trying to emulate an iPhone any more than Apple should be trying to copy a Blackberry Bold, a Motorola RAZR or an LG Shine. RIM probably would be just fine if they had stuck to what they know because they do it well, and very clearly don't do well when they try to diverge from that.
 
This is a memo from Verizon, as per Boy Genius:

"Issues to be resolved by the first OTA update (Maintenance Release 1) - December, week 1:

If a customer receives a call while listen to music at low volume using a wired headset, the music volume may suddenly increase to the highest level (!). Interim recovery instructions: Lower the volume using the buttons on the side of the handset.

When using voice-activated dialing, incoming audio may be muted. Interim recovery instructions: Enter the menu and select “Activate Handset or Speaker”.

The handset may reset itself while sitting idle or while using multimedia applications. No interim recovery instructions provided.

Issues to be resolved by a subsequent Maintenance Release:

Customers may intermittently lose email connectivity via CDMA and/or international roaming modes. Interim recovery instructions: Main menu -> Manage Connections -> Select mobile network -> Turn radio off, then Turn radio on. If this does not resolve the issue, pull the battery.

When powering on the handset, the radio sometimes does not turn on. Interim recovery instructions: Main menu -> Manage Connections -> Select mobile network -> Turn radio on. If this does not resolve the issue, pull the battery.

Pressing the send key while the device is in landscape mode will open the phone application in portrait mode, but the speed dial function may not work. Interim recovery instructions: Press escape until the home screen appears, then press the send key with the handset in portrait orientation.

Sometimes entering characters on the virtual keyboard doesn’t work. Interim recovery instructions: Re-select the character."

Wow.
 
Tenorsaw said:
"Issues to be resolved by the first OTA update (Maintenance Release 1) - December, week 1:
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First, off, Verizon-forced OTA firmware patches are a subject of controversy in some circles, including Verizon's own "customer council". Though in this case it might actually be a welcome thing.

If a customer receives a call while listen to music at low volume using a wired headset, the music volume may suddenly increase to the highest level (!). Interim recovery instructions: Lower the volume using the buttons on the side of the handset.
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Gee, so after the Storm has made you deaf, just turn the volume down, stupid. What a fix! :rolleyes:

What's even more insidious about this is, a person checking a Storm out on dispplay would probably never encounter this, and thus wouldn't know it can happen until they've bought one ... assuming they buy one.

The handset may reset itself while sitting idle or while using multimedia applications. No interim recovery instructions provided.
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This must be a homage to the Treo 700. It did that to me all the time. Ahhh memories. :D

The rest of it... wow is right. :|
 
They'll sell a few of them because of the amount of marketing being spent on it, but wow what an embarrassment for RIM. The little Qwerty keyboards are a hallmark of why people love Blackberries.

Their attempt to match competition does not seemed to have worked.
 
Research In Motion... hmm, it seems some folks were out to lunch, during the 'research' phase.
Ditch the SurePress crap, and have a slide-out qwerty keyboard. That's how RIM should have went about things - giving BB users what they love(a proper tactile keyboard), whilst grabbing a slice of the touchscreen pie.
 
Rat-Boy said:
If someone wants the best PHONE on the market, and they by an iPhone, they they are a fool.

I love my iPhone.

But the PHONE part is so inferior to that of just about every other cell I have owned it is a joke.

StarTAC? Better TELEPHONE.

Blackberry Pearl? Better TELEPHONE.

Blackberry Curve? Better TELEPHONE.

Cingular 8525 (Tilt with no tilt)? Better TELEPHONE.

RAZR? Better TELEPHONE.

Sony Ericsson w600i? Better TELEPHONE.

None of those phones dropped calls and had call set up failures even coming close to the rate of the iPhone in those departments.

(I know you really meant DEVICE, and am only being a smart azz.) :D
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You know, not everyone had problems with the iPhones phone feature?

I've never dropped a call or anything remotely negative during my iPhone experience, I must be a lucky one.
 
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