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Regarding displays, it seems Apple has kind of backed themselves into a corner. Everyone seems to want a 32-inch standalone monitor for their Mac, but due to Apple's self imposed 'Retina' PPI requirements, it would have to be 6K, which would be much too expensive for the regular consumer market.

Meanwhile, Windows users have been using 32-inch 4K displays with no issues for years. Of course, these work fine on a Mac as well, but Apple has taught everyone that if it's not Retina it's 'not good enough'.
That's because it's not good enough after using 5K for a substantial period of time. Windows users beware, stay away from it or you'll realize how bad your 4K monitor is ;)
 
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This is the most lucrative quarter in which wallets open widest and debt gets taken on at record levels.

Assuming the product is physically available.

"In Apple Stores today" would indeed raise eyebrows. However, Apple, DO NOT try our patience with a vaporware announcement and "Pre-order available soon" etc. If it's not ready to ship in volume then don't announce it.
 
When playing around with the Apple Store, it seems the iMac is the only Mac I can’t pickup or have delivered today. I’d imagine M3 would be announced at an event and not being dropped via a press release. I’d assume we’re finally seeing a M2 iMac with M3 Macs to drop in the beginning of 2024.

If we’re about to see a surprise M3 drop, which I don’t think will happen, it would probably be a recycle of 2022 with the MacBook Air, Mac mini, and (possibly) 13” MacBook Pro (which should be discontinued). I don’t think M3 Pro, M3 Max, or M3 Ultra are anytime ready for debuts yet - so anyone who is in possession of a M2 Mac Studio, 14”/16” MacBook Pro, or Mac Pro are fine for now.
 
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Apple is likely planning a Mac-related launch event this month that will take place on either Monday, October 30 or Tuesday, October 31, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.


The well-connected reporter's prediction is based on information obtained from sources with apparent knowledge of Apple's plans, as well as the fact that some existing Mac models are in short supply online and at Apple retail stores.

Gurman notes that several configurations of Apple's 24-inch iMac, 13-inch MacBook Pro, and 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro are facing shipping delays running into mid-November. This several-week delay alone is "a clear sign that something is about to happen," says Gurman.

Another reason leads the reporter to believe a Mac announcement will happen next week: Apple's earnings call is due to take place on Thursday, November 2. The last time the company posted its quarterly results in the month of November was in 2018, and that followed an October 30 launch event that saw new iPads and Macs.

Gurman reckons that the most likely Mac to be announced this month is a new 24-inch iMac. The current iMac has not been updated for more than 900 days, and it is the only remaining model in Apple's Mac lineup still using the M1 chip.

He also believes there is a chance we will see new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro models. This would be somewhat of a surprise, given that Apple only updated its premium MacBook Pros in January 2023. However, as Gurman notes, "an additional update the same year would be unusual, but not inconceivable."

Gurman's latest report reveals little about what improvements the new iMac will bring, but he has previously said that Apple's next iMac will leapfrog the M2 and instead adopt the rumored new M3 chip, bringing performance and efficiency improvements.


As for the 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro, Gurman said he does not expect any major changes other than new processors, but his latest report stops short on offering specifics. Gurman earlier this month claimed that new 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models featuring M3 Pro and M3 Max chips would likely launch between early 2024 and the spring. Gurman may be hedging in his latest predictions, which is likely to lead to speculation that an iterative update to the M2 Pro and M2 Max is coming this year instead.

Gurman says the new MacBook Pro models could include "minor improvements to displays." Notably, DigiTimes recently claimed that Apple will release new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro models with more efficient mini-LED displays before the end of the year. DigiTimes' report was originally met with skepticism because of the alleged launch timing, but couched in terms of Gurman's latest predictions, there could well be more substance to it after all.

Lastly, MacRumors received information in early October indicating that Apple was preparing to accept some of its latest Mac models for trade-in, suggesting it may be proceeding with plans to release new Mac models. Whether this correlates with the launch of at least one new machine in late October remains to be seen.

Article Link: Bloomberg: Apple Likely to Hold Mac Launch Event on October 30 or 31
M3 on an iMac 24” is too powerful and will offset its effort on an M3 iMac 27”
If they do release it, they have to top it off with iMac 32” with an M4.
 
This is such good news. The new iMacs are simply out of this world gorgeous, but the insides were the opposite. Putting a big M3 in there would compliment things perfectly.
 
This is such good news. The new iMacs are simply out of this world gorgeous, but the insides were the opposite. Putting a big M3 in there would compliment things perfectly.
What do you think the M3 looks like?

The M2 is slightly larger than an M1. The M3 use “3nm” process instead of the “5nm” process. I realize that just the process name not the physical scaling, but it will result in some miniaturization as compared to elements used from previous process. I would also envision at least some improvements in M3 capabilities over the M2 (e.g.; addition of AV1 hardware video decoder like the one added to the A17pro chip).

So my GUESS, is the new M3 will have slight reduction in size as compared to the M2 with a slight increase in capacity. The resulting size of the M3 will be about the same of the original M1 but with added capabilities. Well that is my GUESS.
 
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iMacs? Maybe.
MBPs? Not a chance.

One reason there might be a small update to several Macs is because Mac sales are down precipitously. A small spec bump is unlikely to change that by itself, but Apple might feel the pressure to roll out a spec bump to try and goose Mac sales in the most profitable quarter of the year.

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Also, it is odd that custom-order MBPs are delayed until up to November 20th. That's an unusual delay, especially given the aforementioned drop in Mac sales.
 
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I am holding out for an iMac with ProMotion.... how much longer do you think I'll be waiting?
 
I hope this is based on more than just inventory levels, as I ordered a new 15" MacBook Air with 16gb memory for my wife, and there were none in any of the four Apple Stores in our area. I only upgraded the memory, and, damn, 2.5 weeks until it will be delivered. I have always ordered more memory and often more drive space, but either they have some with more memory in a store or it is delivered soon. So, ...2.5 weeks for an Air? Huh.
 
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That's because it's not good enough after using 5K for a substantial period of time. Windows users beware, stay away from it or you'll realize how bad your 4K monitor is ;)
I have the iMac 27 5k 2020 and LG 32EP950 side by side on my desk.

Even the OLED has natural disadvantage on Pxiels. I do not notice any difference on daily tasks.

27 is quite small on today standard though. I can't believe Apple releases a 24 inch iMac. 30 should be the minimum.
 
I just ordered a MBP 14" 32gb/1TB from my university's electronics store (I am staff). I ordered on Sept 29th and have yet to receive or get a shipping update. It was ordered directly from Apple since it was a custom option.

Apple's site had delivery 1-2 weeks in late Sept and it is now just shy 4 weeks waiting for it. Is it possible Apple is delaying it so I don't get an immediately outdated one? If I do receive it this week and they make a spec bump, what are my options for getting it refunded to trade for the most current? (I did buy AppleCare, not sure if that helps.)
 
I just ordered a MBP 14" 32gb/1TB from my university's electronics store (I am staff). I ordered on Sept 29th and have yet to receive or get a shipping update. It was ordered directly from Apple since it was a custom option.
Apple has a 15 day no-questions-asked return period, but you should ask what your university's policy is.
 
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Glad I read this today lol, just returned my 14'' MBP (return window was going to expire on the 30th). Threw out the box, but luckily the store still took it back without it.

Worst case will just get it again if there is no new one, it's been a while since Apple released two MBPs in the same year.
 
Would a 27” iMac have the thermal envelope to take an M2 Pro?
An iMac mini can handle an M2 pro chip so the 27” Intel iMac chassis SHOULD be able to handle it. There is plenty of physical space and cooling behind the center of the 27”Intel iMac screen. But just because it could fit, doesn’t mean it will happen.

I believe the current 24” iMac could not physically accommodate a M2 Pro chip. The space on the logic board in the chin is too small (not wide enough) to mount an M2 Pro chip. And there is not enough space behind the current 24” iMac screen for a logic board. The CURRENT 24” iMac is too thin. The only space for a logic board is in the chin. To accommodate a Pro (or a Max) chip would require the current 24” iMac to grow (a bigger chin or a thick chassis)

I think that an ARM 27” iMac is not a viable Apple product. Not enough to differentiate it from the 24” iMac. The 27” was only viable while the “small” iMac was 21.5”.
 
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An iMac mini can handle an M2 pro chip so the 27” Intel iMac chassis SHOULD be able to handle it. There is plenty of physical space and cooling behind the center of the 27”Intel iMac screen. But just because it could fit, doesn’t mean it will happen.

I believe the current 24” iMac could not physically accommodate a M2 Pro chip. The space on the logic board in the chin is too small (not wide enough) to mount an M2 Pro chip. And there is not enough space behind the current 24” iMac screen for a logic board. The CURRENT 24” iMac is too thin. The only space for a logic board is in the chin. To accommodate a Pro (or a Max) chip would require the current 24” iMac to grow (a bigger chin or a thick chassis)

I think that an ARM 27” iMac is not a viable Apple product. Not enough to differentiate it from the 24” iMac. The 27” was only viable while the “small” iMac was 21.5”.
I doubt is too thin and if so minimally so. A MacBook Pro 14 inch is 15.6 mm when closed down and that includes the screen if I understand the drawings correctly. Subtract the screen, say 3 mm, the height of the body is 12.6 mm. The body of the 24 iMac is 11.5 mm. I think the current iMac should be able to have both a Pro and a Max if Apple wanted as the chin is more isolated from other components than in an MBP. A 1-2 mm increased body thickness of the iMac would be negligible and would not make it less attractive design wise.

However, Apple wants us to buy a studio display and a Mac rather than make a competitive iMac package. Make a 24 inch "cheap" apple display and smaller Mac mini that easily "vanishes" in the foot including the cables and you have a deal. Total price should be minimally different to an iMac. See the home page of Mac mini at Apple.com for inspiration.

 
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Im still hoping they'll announce the new iPad mini. It was only a few weeks ago the rumours were saying no new macs, and now we're getting some, so fingers crossed
 
A mini-LED, 120hz iMac Pro with M2 Max/Ultra is long overdue - I think we've been waiting on ThunderBolt5 for this, I know it was officially introduced a few months ago so I'm sure we're getting closer to this reality :)
I agree, for those (of us) who are in need of higher-specced displays (read: refresh rates, wide color gamuts, HDR, etc.) its both been a puzzlement and frustration that Apple has yet to provide us with the desktop tools for our needs.

I agree, too, that the internal and I/O data bandwidth issue is a real bottleneck for moving display tech forward and TB5 will help open the floodgates as to what's possible in this arena. Yet another example of where Apple finds itself hamstrung by the tech roll-out delays of other manufacturers (>cough<, Intel).

Though, one should note that internal bus architecture (if designed so) will always provide an advantage for providing high-capacity displays vs having to squeeze (data lanes) just to pipe-out the same data to an external. Keeping display data internal also can negate display data-compression needs that might otherwise have to be accommodated-for when porting externally. All of this is an ongoing "win" for AIO architecture vs external displays especially where newer-and-heavier display data requirements are needed (re: higher refresh rate, HDR, etc.).

Be we HDR imagers, graphic designers or gamers the need for, um, "better" displays has been a stick-in-our-sides here in Appleland. I'm personally looking forward to what Cupertino will unleash for us in both the AIO space and for those in need of stand-alone desktop solutions.

iMac is the last product in their lineup missing XDR, knowing how Cupertino likes to make things "perfect" I expect a lot of the product delay has been in-house. Now that global production chains are operating post-pandemic, methinks this next round of iMac announcements will change that status.

C'mon, Tim, 24" and 28" XDR iMacs, here we go! :)
 
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