Bloomberg: Apple Planning iPhone With Both Face ID and Touch ID Under Display by 2021

[phillytim]

I believe Apple highlighted this when they announced Face ID... Very very very small circumstance. But at least I can see where you are coming from.

Convenience though? You didn't address that.

I'm hanging on to my 6S+ so I can speak about convenience of TouchID.

Convenience is being able to reach in your pocket, and pull out your phone while unlocking it with your finger and not having to angle the phone to your face or even look at the phone.

There are a number of times where one would rather be so inconspicuous as to not have to look down at their phone to even get it ready to use.

That's convenience!

 

[genovelle]

Remember when people on here were proclaiming that Touch ID was dead Apple had decided that Face ID was a better solution and everybody should just deal with it?

When in reality they didn't want to use Qualcomm tech and couldn't figure out how to do it themselves

Qualcomm tech is inferior to what patent leaks show Apple is working on. They are not full screen.

 

[I7guy]

I'm hanging on to my 6S+ so I can speak about convenience of TouchID.

Convenience is being able to reach in your pocket, and pull out your phone while unlocking it with your finger and not having to angle the phone to your face or even look at the phone.

There are a number of times where one would rather be so inconspicuous as to not have to look down at their phone to even get it ready to use.

That's convenience!

Convenience is also glancing at your phone to see the notification. Convenience is not worrying if your hands are cold, dirty or wearing a glove. This runs all ways without a winner.

 

[mw78]

I've not missed TouchID one little bit and can't imagine what circumstances I'd use it under if I had the option of both. I guess if I didn't an Apple Watch for contactless payments it might be slightly easier with TouchID than FaceID?

How about while driving?

 

[Lalatoon]

Pfft. 2021 is two years from now. We should all use DNA ID by 2022.

Are you willing to lick your phone to confirm your DNA?

 

[bbednarz]

I'm hanging on to my 6S+ so I can speak about convenience of TouchID.

Convenience is being able to reach in your pocket, and pull out your phone while unlocking it with your finger and not having to angle the phone to your face or even look at the phone.

There are a number of times where one would rather be so inconspicuous as to not have to look down at their phone to even get it ready to use.

That's convenience!

If you're not looking at your phone then what are you unlocking it for?

I guess different people prioritize things differently. A convenience of Face ID for me is not having to worry about my hands being wet or having gloves on to unlock it. Different strokes for different folks. Hopefully soon we can all have our way lol

 

[Dephtones]

I like the option for both. My new sunglasses work sparingly with FaceID. Hate having to take my glasses off or enter my code to unlock the phone. First world problems.

 

[tstone]

Apple is so slow other phones already doing this

Other phones may have it but the software won't be as good as Apple's. They want their software to deliver a top notch experience; They don't care about who's first to implement it lol.

 

[Shadowtek123]

Cool feature that should have existed in the iPhone X. I'd love for the phone to have an OPTION to require both so it's true multifactor to unlock my phone. As well as an option to do Just FaceID, just TouchID, FaceID or TouchID, or both. There's about 5% of the time TouchID didn't work for me and about 10% of the time Face ID doesn't so with both as an option should allow for basically no issues unlocking my phone.
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If you're not looking at your phone then what are you unlocking it for?

I guess different people prioritize things differently. A convenience of Face ID for me is not having to worry about my hands being wet or having gloves on to unlock it. Different strokes for different folks. Hopefully soon we can all have our way lol

Unlocking for someone else to use like in a car when I don't want to give them my passcode, possibly children too. When I might need to be watching something else like kids, baking/cooking, etc. and unlock my phone to switch apps or do something with airplay or Youtube that might be screen-casting but I don't need to be staring at my phone per se.
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I can’t think of a reason I’d want to replace my Face ID, especially if they improve the scanning angle. It’s both more secure and more convenient IMO.

It's not just the angle, mine doesn't always work with sunglasses, is touchy in the dark and if your face is too close or too far away then it fails.

 

[iLLUMI]

Apple is so slow other phones already doing this

Well not so much slow but doing what Apple has done in the past.
They observe what other companies are doing, look at the issues and mistakes they're making, then Apple have something to work with in perfecting the technology.
I used to think Apple was always behind everyone else too until I read numerous comments about how Apple approach new technology. Apple are cautious and smart.
In screen touch ID is still not perfect but it is improving from what I've seen/heard.
Hopefully when Apple are ready to go live with the technology it will work without any glitches.
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The upcoming fingerprint reader would be embedded in the display, enabling users to unlock the iPhone by placing a finger almost anywhere on the screen, and it would complement rather than replace the existing Face ID system. This would give users the convenience of two biometric authentication options.

Face ID and Touch ID each have their weaknesses, such as Face ID not working well when an iPhone is laying flat on a table, or Touch ID not playing friendly with wet fingers. With both systems, users would have the best of both worlds, using the authentication option that is better in a given situation.

It's not just about having two options for the various reasons given or that it even just gives people a choice of options, but it can also provide 2FA - Two Factor Authentication.
Banking apps, online purchases etc. could take advantage of the extra security that 2FA would provide.

 

[dwaite]

Cool feature that should have existed in the iPhone X. I'd love for the phone to have an OPTION to require both so it's true multifactor to unlock my phone. As well as an option to do Just FaceID, just TouchID, FaceID or TouchID, or both. There's about 5% of the time TouchID didn't work for me and about 10% of the time Face ID doesn't so with both as an option should allow for basically no issues unlocking my phone.

Two biometrics is not multi factor. Multi factor requires the factors to be of differing kinds - something you have ("possession"), something you know ("knowledge"), something you are ("biometrics").

Possession is by far the easiest factor, because possession of the phone counts. Some people are not comfortable with this being considered a factor, but generally the purpose of MFA is to combine the strengths of the different approaches.

By having multiple factors, some of the workarounds for weaknesses in sole use of a factor are no longer needed. For instance, with MFA you can replace the need for a complex and unique password to a 6 digit PIN - and really the only reason we went to 6 was to make the PIN harder to brute force.

 

[Rob_2811]

Qualcomm tech is inferior to what patent leaks show Apple is working on. They are not full screen.

They patented a foreign object detection system that used Machine Learning for a wireless charging mat aswell.

Qualcomms tech is hugely superior in the here and now because they have shipped it.

 

[FlyingDutch]

This is not backwards. Touch ID is still faster.



You clearly haven't used all of them. Some are, yes. But others are solid. Will it improve? Absolutely, especially if Apple waits 2 more years to implement it...


I love the option of both. Touch ID is still super fast and better in some scenarios. Face ID will be even better/faster by then, and is great in other scenarios. Though, I'm not a fan of the "touch anywhere" idea. Would lead to false unlockings for sure.

I tried everyone. All of them are gimmicks.
You have to put your finger in a place that isn't even physically defined, because is just an image on the display.
Touch ID on a physical button was another thing.

 

[dampfnudel]

As long as TouchID Gen 3 is implemented in typical Apple fashion (works well out of the box), I wouldn’t mind having that option. I may still stick to FaceID with the occasional TouchID usage during the Apple Pay process.

 

[GuruZac]

The S10 facial recognition is flawless.

It’s also not nearly as sophisticated a set up.

 

[Tsepz]

They patented a foreign object detection system that used Machine Learning for a wireless charging mat aswell.

Qualcomms tech is hugely superior in the here and now because they have shipped it.

This is a never ending argument as zilots will always want to believe that only Apple can do something well.

Notice how the conversation has gone from "TouchID is dead" to "Apple in-screen TouchID is the best" without even a working model to prove it


Never argue with fanboys, they always grasp at straws, no matter how farfetched.

 

[ascender]

How about while driving?

While driving? Not sure I understand?

In the cars we have Apple CarPlay and pretty much anything needing biometric authentication I’m guessing is going to be dodgy ground as you probably shouldn’t be doing it when driving.

 

[webraider72]

Huawei Mate 20 Pro, Xiaomi Mi 8 Explorer Edition

Those phones use the same hardware technology as Face ID. The same dot projector and IR camera system. In fact, the dot projector sends more dots compared to Face ID.

Those phone do have an in-display sensor that is in ONE location behind the screen. That's actually not new. They've had some issues with the sensors recognizing the fingerprints (people having to re-calibrate) some of which has been resolved with subsequent updates. What apple is working on is you being able to unlock your phone by tapping Anywhere on the screen. Not exactly the same thing. Apple usually gets it right first then releases where these other companies release it half out the door then fix it along the way. So it makes sense that Apple takes their time.

 

[clibinarius]

Apple is no longer "classic".

Almost never leaves wiggle room.

Floating statement, will need support.

I complain about faceid all the time.

I just bought an iPhone 11 and waiting for it to come in. If I can’t unlock it flat on my desk again, it goes right back to Apple. We can repeat this exercise for years-they could improve the sensor, but the flat deal test is the one I need passed. I may, however, finally upgrade to the iPhone 8 as the most advanced device available that fits my needs should I not like faceid functionality for the second straight year.

 

[phillytim]

For a while now, I've been saying/believing that 2021 would be the next major iPhone hardware redesign. Apple essentially works from 4-year designs:

Gen1: original/3G/3GS

Gen2: 4/4S/5/5S/SE

Gen3: 6/6S/7/8

Gen4: X/XS/11/(11S?-2020)

Gen5: 2021-2025

 

[fidelisoris]

I never understood why they didn't move TouchID to the phone edge, maybe under the power button...