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Bloomberg: Apple Planning iPhone With Both Face ID and Touch ID Under Display by 2021
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Yes, the notch is hideous. Ubiquity doesn’t make it beautiful or even aesthetically acceptable.
I think Apple realises they need to get rid of that huge notch and will use this as a transition back to pure touch Id. Face Id is good but it makes iPhone look terribly outdated in 2019 with most phones moving to all screen displays.
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You need to read the post properly instead of getting defensive about face Id. He was talking about face unlock on phones such as the Note 10.
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It’s exactly as secure as a 6 digit PIN
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We’ll found out in the next 2-3 years that Apple won’t have it
I'm stuck on the iPhone 8 until Apple realizes there is a group of people who do not want to use Face ID access at all. I also need a form factor to be roughly the same size as the 8 since I use my carpenter's pants leg pocket for my phone and larger phones do not fit (sarcasm: I also have a tablet and don't need another).
Touch ID is very accessible and usable for me in my daily life and this news is very uplifting that there may be another Apple phone in my future after all.
(Additionally, I've owned a 4, 4S, 5, 6, and 8. I've never owned an Android phone. The thought of having to go to the "dark side" once the 8 is dropped from iOS support after all these years is very depressing... So I do hope this becomes a reality.)
Touch ID is very accessible and usable for me in my daily life and this news is very uplifting that there may be another Apple phone in my future after all.
(Additionally, I've owned a 4, 4S, 5, 6, and 8. I've never owned an Android phone. The thought of having to go to the "dark side" once the 8 is dropped from iOS support after all these years is very depressing... So I do hope this becomes a reality.)
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I’ve been down this rabbit hole with you before, and it never seems to go anywhere productive. That said, You have a severe misunderstanding of what defensive is versus provoking ‘critical thinking’. My question was to promote _how_ their logic makes sense in terms of what they were inferring ‘face ID not being secure’.
Incorrect. The Note 10 was never even the premise of discussion.
Secondly, this is what they said, and I quote:
“Face is not that secure but incredibly convenient for casual security”
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It’s reasonable to assume they were referring to face ID, but they forgot to use ‘ID’ in their post.
Secondly, the entire article is referring to Face ID, not the facial recognition as a whole.
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Yep, Apple knew better to not ship a flawed product that might have major issues. Samsung clearly didn’t get that memo.
Maybe they did but couldn't reply because they were using laptops with butterfly keyboards.
Face ID=notch
Fingerprint in screen=no notch
Please, don’t wait two years to give us the in-screen fingerprint-reader.
Fingerprint in screen=no notch
Please, don’t wait two years to give us the in-screen fingerprint-reader.
FaceID has been so quick, accurate, and natural to use that I never even think about it. I pick up my iPad and by the time I’m ready to start using it, it’s unlocked. I’m moving from my iPhone 7 to the new iPhone as soon as it’s available so I can get the same experience with my phone.
If Apple puts in a super wide angle FaceID camera, as rumored for 2019, what else do people want that would convince them that TouchID is no longer needed?
Faster? 360 degree support?
I feel that FaceID has really improved these last 3 years and it doesn't seem like Apple is stopping. Just curious.
Faster? 360 degree support?
I feel that FaceID has really improved these last 3 years and it doesn't seem like Apple is stopping. Just curious.
Great. This will shut everybody up!
By looking at the comments, it appears you are, unfortunately, incorrect.
Sounds good, Face ID is good most of them the time but there are cases when it doesn’t do. Regards, iPhone XS user
I still say FaceID was a relatively snap decision once they realised they couldn’t get under-glass TouchID working on the X
Adding one more authentication mechanism is not really going backwards.. That's moving forward.
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exactly! -and if you have a bit of paranoia, you can likely even combine them to unlock your phone for that extra security
The way they’ll be ‘getting rid’ of the notch is moving sensors behind the display.
I think the media may be getting it wrong about the return of fingerprint scanning being used to reintroduce TouchID. One way Apple could go with this is to move into a new security model where there are multiple things concurrently authenticating that you are who you are, and you are continuing to actively use the phone, and when it sense you may not be you, it can challenge you to authenticate.
In other words, you already unlocked your phone, you placed it on the table unlocked, and someone picked it up and started scrolling, but the fingerprint doesn’t match, it can then trigger faceID in the background to check that it is till you, without you even being conscious it’s happening. It then determines someone else is actually using your phone, at which point it will force you to hand it back to the owner to unlock with faceID or a password to continue using it.
Thats actually a case for them not doing this. Technologies like 3D Touch or embedding fingerprint sensors or FaceID cameras underneath the screen would each each drastically limit their options for screen technology. They would add substantial cost, and likely create a situation again where say iPhones had both but iPads did not.
I don't see Apple adding the cost and complexity of two biometric systems when the only real use case I've seen is opening your phone without picking it up off a table. Two biometric systems also means that there are significantly more potential opportunities for the phone security to be hacked - you won't see TouchID return unless it is at least as strong as FaceID.
They could, but I don't think they are in any rush. The notch and camera bump are pretty much the only physical features to differentiate the iPhone now from other brands. Moving the camera behind the screen will impact options for both the screen and FaceID, possibly reducing security, reducing display quality, and/or increasing cost.
It would be a pretty big departure from the current security model and UX model. The lock screen now plays double duty with notifications to tell you what you may have missed since you put your phone down/away. It also limits exposure of information to someone doing a 'fly by' of a phone sitting on a table - the contents of notifications don't display until the device is unlocked.
Typically this sort of functionality is represented as a confidence threshold - but a phone that was sitting on a table and was just picked up already has very low confidence, and will result in an authentication check.
Locked vs unlocked also affects the application security model, for instance optionally flushing the crypto keys used to read from application data until the phone is unlocked again. Support for this to happen say mid-scroll will be a gradual process that developers will see as gradual API changes.
Finally, this model doesn't mandate a fingerprint scanning technology - they could periodically check faceID (they already periodically check in a reduced capacity to keep the screen alive and device unlocked while watching video or reading), they could check the pitch/orientation being held, gait while walking, patterns in touch activity, etc.
2021?? I was hoping for 2020.
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Having both is moving forward since they both have their advantages and disadvantages. This allows for all of the advantages and cancels out the disadvantages.
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Having both is moving forward since they both have their advantages and disadvantages. This allows for all of the advantages and cancels out the disadvantages.