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Bloomberg: Apple's First Arm Mac to Launch by 2021 With 12-Core Processor
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Yeah, real gamers game on PC. It is also more cost-effective and you will have a better experience as well.
That can't happen. Remember that Apple needs Macs so professionals can create the apps and content consumed on iOS, iPadOS, tvOS, and watchOS.
Microsoft, in the last decade or 5 years, has done a great job of porting their most-used apps to iOS/macOS, so Mac users don't really need Windows anymore.
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There is a rumor going around that Apple might announce Xcode for iPadOS at WWDC this year. If this is the case, then there will be very little reason to keep the Mac around long term, aside from the legacy reasons.
There are a plethora of free Open Source apps and tools (UNIX CLI and GUI) that can replace what Coda can do...why would Panic spend the time and money to support a platform that is so fractured, has a tiny marketshare on the desktop, that there’s really very little money to be made and for whom tech support is going to be a complete pain to deal with?
Ahh but if Apple moves, developers will follow. That's why we have iPad apps, after all. I assume this will be like previous transitions, apps will run in transparent emulation. And recompiling existing apps will probably be an even easier affair than past transitions if developers have followed Apple's guidelines (I'd expect most of the stuff on the App Store to fall into this category).
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That's not a good example. You're talking about recompiling for a completely different operating system and set of APIs. What Macs going to ARM will require is compiling for all of the same APIs, just a different CPU architecture.
You realize that Xcode already compiles most people's iOS apps for ARM (to run on an iPhone/iPad) and x86-64 (to run in the Simulator) right? And years ago it did the same for PowerPC and Intel versions.
They won't need 3 code bases - even if they have to tweak the code to support ARM, the result will compile to a "fat binary" (or some newer equivalent) that runs on both ARM and x86. Apps can also be deployed to the App Store as intermediate "bitcode" that is compiled to the appropriate binary format on installation. Even an iPad/iPhone version can share huge tracts of code with the Mac - and even Windows - versions, and Catalyst allows even more code to be shared between iOS and MacOS.
Yes, there will be exceptions where there is some lovingly hand-crafted/optimised x86-dependent code - but developers aren't stupid and keep that to the bare minimum because it is time-consuming and fragile. Many of the potential problems that can make even C/ObjC/Swift code processor sensitive will already have been mopped up by the switch to x86-64 (since the ARM is also 64 bit little-endian). Then there are all those developers who already have, or are working on, iOS versions of their Apps who will have needed to solve any ARM-related problems.
No, it's not going to be trivial in every single case, but the vast majority of modern source code - even large swathes of systems code and device drivers - is completely processor independent.
It might be the last straw for some developers/apps - but only if they're on the verge of dumping Macs anyway. For many, the job is going to be a footnote in the annual chore of dealing with the latest MacOS release.
“We’re talking eventually billions of these things. As a result of that, the smartphone supply chain is becoming the supply chain for the entire computer industry. So the components going into the iPhone are going to take over computing. By the end of the decade, even servers will be ARM based, because the scale economics will be so great that antthing else will not be able to compete” Marc Andreessen, about the impact of the iPhone
He was a year or 5 off the mark but the statement makes sense. The rest will be made to fit into the new structure. Mircrosoft is allready on board.
But since A series are portable chips, presumably it will have a battery? Having to plug an A series Mac into line voltage seems very fetishy. It’ll have USB C for power, and a battery. My long time dream of a portable battery powered Mac mini, with wireless display and keyboard could be around the corner! Say goodbye to the compromises of trying to put a hot processor in a laptop!
Yawn...... This is the same Bloomberg news that said this was going to happen and was announced almost two years ago.
www.bloomberg.com
This is also the sam Bloomberg that said spy chips were on motherboards from Apple and others that could be activated for spying.
I take everything I hear from them with a grain of salt.
Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs From 2020, Replacing Intel
Apple Inc. is planning to use its own chips in Mac computers beginning as early as 2020, replacing processors from Intel Corp., according to people familiar with the plans.
www.bloomberg.com
This is also the sam Bloomberg that said spy chips were on motherboards from Apple and others that could be activated for spying.
I take everything I hear from them with a grain of salt.
The funny thing about this is that last year’s iPhone 11 has higher single core performance than the 8-core Intel i9 in the 16” MacBook Pro. 1330 vs 1265 in GeekBench 5.
I have an Xbox One and a PS3. I helped my son spec out the parts on his gaming build. Most games run on Windows, I cannot conceive of spending money on a Mac to game on, even using BootCamp. I can build
something to do 1440p gaming quite well for $1000 as long as I play my cards right.
I understand that for some it will be inconvenient to have both a Mac and a Windows box, but I think Apple simply wants to control their own destiny from a CPU perspective after decades of being held hostage to Motorola, IBM and Intel’s product roadmaps.
If it won't run Bootcamp and Windows, then many businesses will quit Apple.
There will be both Intel and Apple processor Macs. Why is everyone jumping to the conclusion that Apple is putting all their eggs in one basket and ditching Intel?
People don't necessarily buy mac due to Xcode and it's preposterous to think that way.
Modern Apple laptops (post 2015) are consumables. Heck even 300USD Airpod Pros (what they cost here) are thrown away when you "replace" the battery.
Unfortunately I need to run real programs rather than toy-apps and prefer macOS - over the longer term it is clear that Apple is departing from the needs of engineers etc.
Look how they sunset their professional Audio and Photo software, IIRC their Pro Video stuff went through a realy rough patch and their "Mac Pro" 2012 was laughably inadequate - replaced by a ludicrously expensive Mac Pro - with 700 USD wheels.
Now in my line of business a signal analyzer or network analyzer can easily cost 100k USD or more so I have no problem spending money - but I interpret the markup that Apple charges as basically a big middle finger. This is what happens when you get business economics people (Tim Cook) rather than product people (SJ) running the show - a mega-profitable company that worships a money-uber-alles mentallity with the occasional virtue signal nod towards being "green" whilst making ever less upgradable or repairable products.
ARM Macs will be the combo of an iPad Pro with their 350 USD keyboard. Count me out.
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Get back to me in 2023...
What? None of this makes any sense. Any CMOS processor needs a DC voltage (usually around 1V). It doesn’t matter where the voltage comes from. A-series will work perfectly fine without a battery.
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Because that’s what they’ve done each of the three times they’ve switched processor architectures for the Mac.
So - an iPhone 11 doesn't run Windows (for Altium Designer, Sonnet EM simulator), my Tektronix real-time spectrum analyzer, full version of LibreOffice (or Office365). And an ARM Mac is not going to run those well... (PowerPC to x86 worked because x86 was much faster at the time - so emu was feasible)
I can only speak for my company, where we have both macs and PCs. People get macs to run macOS, and not windows - at least in my organization. Its actually a poor use of money for a company to purchase a Mac just to run windows.
There were several models like I said earlier. The 6100 in the PPC Line. Before that there were ones in the Quadra and Performa lines. I had a Performa 640 with 68040 and a 486 (DX2/66) if I remember correctly.
I think it was command tab to switch to the other processor.
When Apple switched from 68k to PPC, and from PPC to Intel, they were fighting for their existence. Currently Apple is the highest market cap company on the stock market, it’s a different situation. They have nearly endless resources, they don’t need to put all their eggs in one basket.
It is 2020 and connecting a 4k display/TV to a MBA is not "super high resolution" - and while regular USB-C will do 4k, it won't do 4k@60Hz and drive, say, a USB 3 hard drive at full speed.
...and Thunderbolt being integrated into USB4 (caviats, complications, mumble, mumble...) hopefull we'll see more, affordable, "Thunderbolt" devices in the next couple of years.