It would depend on the workload I guess but I have tested around with actual real world calculations in Python between the iPad Pro 2018 and the i7-9850H in my Lenovo and the latter is only 15-20% ahead. So against the 8750H in the 2018 MBP it could be decently close depending on workload.
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It would depend on the workload I guess but I have tested around with actual real world calculations in Python between the iPad Pro 2018 and the i7-9850H in my Lenovo and the latter is only 15-20% ahead. So against the 8750H in the 2018 MBP it could be decently close depending on workload.
Sounds like you are using RaspberryPi for things it's not supposed or designed to do. It's not a powerful device, there is still many things that can be done - media player, robots, retro-gaming, magic mirrors, Minecraft server, weather stations.... it's a great low cost STEM device, with fantastic community support.
This was a post by a former Apple engineer on an Appleinsider thread (post #122). Agree or disagree?
"Thunderbolt 4.0 will leverage PCI-E 4.x and newer and no Apple won't be switching to USB 4.0 and jettisoning Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt is directly tied into PCI-E which allows all that bandwidth and low latency professionals require. USB 4.0 is offering 40Gbps, while Thunderbolt 4 offers 60Gbps.
However, in reality PCI-E 5.0 arrives with Zen 4 in one year and in 2021 that is most likely when Thunderbolt 4 arrives, thus Intel will be moving the goal posts again, but since they opened up Thunderbolt to a royalty free protocol AMD can walk in with their own Controller or third party controller with Thunderbolt 4 communicating with their new Infinity Architecture allowing a solution that Intel can not match but will be a me too in the end."
2022 Computing will change drastically and it won't be ARM.
"Apple is heavily investing into Machine Learning and the Data Center. They aren't going to be using ARM to do all the heavy lifting and Intel can't fill this void. Neither can Nvidia.
EPYC CPUs are followed rapidly by Ryzen CPUs and this is the year of Milan"
"July 2021 GENOA arrives and August it's cousin arrives for Consumers as Ryzen 5000 CPUs, followed by Ryzen 5000 APUs with RDNA 2.x for laptops.
NOTHING APPLE develops on ARM will ever compete on this scale and they know it. They are augmenting their ARM offerings like the new iPadOS and keyboard solution to folks who want just a bit more Laptop like options, but can leave the keyboard at home.
ZEN 4 will either default to 12 or 16 Cores and 24 or 32 threads [assuming they don't increase the number of threads each Core can produce per operation]. That means Threadripper will be 128 Core/256 Threads at the top end and 32 Core/64 threads at the low end/entry level.
12 ARM cores with 8 + 4 extremely low power will do what again? It will provide a new iPadOS optimized and slightly beefier solution giving the OS more multitasking features, but not much more."
Why Apple will move Macs to ARM, and what consumers get - General Discussion Discussions on AppleInsider Forums
There are obvious hardware benefits when Apple shifts to ARM processors, and also underlying software ones, which mean that the move is going to bring advantages both to the company and to us.
forums.appleinsider.com
Again: I DO NOT WANT TO REPLACE CODA. Was that clear now?
And I will die with Coda for what is worth it. Best IDE of my life. For that very reason, I will not move to any ARM based computer or develop anything for these computers.
AAPL is not the highest market cap company. Microsoft is. Apple is at second place and few days away from becoming the third (Amazon is a few bucks lower)
PPC was a dead end, Intel was killing it. No need to hold onto PPC.
32 bit is a dead end. Everything is going 64 bit and we’re never going back.
USB-A is a dead end.
x86 processors are not a dead end. No need to ditch them.
Recompiling for most apps. The hardware is abstracted away. Developers just call libraries that call other libraries that ... deal with hardware specifics
Let's put it simple, I want a computer to do both things (run Apple macOS for trivial tasks and work) and Windows (for gaming only). I do not want to mantain, use or keep two computers with me just for that thing. I do not want to use emulators or "Rosetta" s**t. I do not want to go back to Hackintosh again (was a terrible experience as well). That's where BootCamp and an Intel based Mac is useful for me.
I want all of it in just one computer. An ARM based Mac will not give me that.
Not really. With the llvm can target x86 or ARM... assume they’ll just ship universal binaries with both. If you’ve got some really low level pre-built libraries that you link in then maybe some hassles
It does seem sort of silly for @Bruno Castelló to form an opinion about the ARM platform based on his experience with a device where the entire computer costs less than an Apple USB-C to Lightning cable.
That said, if macOS moves to ARM it will be the end of the road for me. x86 virtualization is simply too integral to my job, I can't work without that. I've been using Macs since a 512K "Fat Mac". I'll be sad to leave the platform if it comes to that.
Not sure what I’m supposed to be agreeing or disagreeing with. The theory that AMD will support thunderbolt? I don’t know. Don’t care either.This was a post by a former Apple engineer on an Appleinsider thread (post #122). Agree or disagree?
"Thunderbolt 4.0 will leverage PCI-E 4.x and newer and no Apple won't be switching to USB 4.0 and jettisoning Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt is directly tied into PCI-E which allows all that bandwidth and low latency professionals require. USB 4.0 is offering 40Gbps, while Thunderbolt 4 offers 60Gbps.
However, in reality PCI-E 5.0 arrives with Zen 4 in one year and in 2021 that is most likely when Thunderbolt 4 arrives, thus Intel will be moving the goal posts again, but since they opened up Thunderbolt to a royalty free protocol AMD can walk in with their own Controller or third party controller with Thunderbolt 4 communicating with their new Infinity Architecture allowing a solution that Intel can not match but will be a me too in the end."
2022 Computing will change drastically and it won't be ARM.
"Apple is heavily investing into Machine Learning and the Data Center. They aren't going to be using ARM to do all the heavy lifting and Intel can't fill this void. Neither can Nvidia.
EPYC CPUs are followed rapidly by Ryzen CPUs and this is the year of Milan"
"July 2021 GENOA arrives and August it's cousin arrives for Consumers as Ryzen 5000 CPUs, followed by Ryzen 5000 APUs with RDNA 2.x for laptops.
NOTHING APPLE develops on ARM will ever compete on this scale and they know it. They are augmenting their ARM offerings like the new iPadOS and keyboard solution to folks who want just a bit more Laptop like options, but can leave the keyboard at home.
ZEN 4 will either default to 12 or 16 Cores and 24 or 32 threads [assuming they don't increase the number of threads each Core can produce per operation]. That means Threadripper will be 128 Core/256 Threads at the top end and 32 Core/64 threads at the low end/entry level.
12 ARM cores with 8 + 4 extremely low power will do what again? It will provide a new iPadOS optimized and slightly beefier solution giving the OS more multitasking features, but not much more."
Why Apple will move Macs to ARM, and what consumers get - General Discussion Discussions on AppleInsider Forums
There are obvious hardware benefits when Apple shifts to ARM processors, and also underlying software ones, which mean that the move is going to bring advantages both to the company and to us.forums.appleinsider.com
The theory that apple won’t use Arm and, i guess, will use AMD? Nope.
For most developers I am going to imagine we will not notice it. Our code calls libraries, which themselves call libraries so we don't see the hardware. It is up the complier or interpreter to hide the hardware specific from us. Even things like multiple cores are hidden into libraries that detect multiple cores and thread code to run in parallel.
But for the developers that work close to metal, like driver writers, it will be a change.
The RPi was not the only ARM based "computer" I tried, but was the least worse I tried. All ARM based "computers" I tested were complete garbage as of now.
Why people seem to defend the RPi with the only one argument that there is for it - the price? It's cheaper, yet useless.
LOL. ”my $30 aircooled single-board computer is not as powerful as a Mac, therefore ARM sucks”
Apple didn't have a trillion dollar market cap, a billion dollar App Store, or millions of paid enrolled developers back then. For every gamer and bootcamp user who won't buy these hypothetical new ARM Macs, 2 App Store app developers will buy a new one ahead of schedule.
Computer manufacturers learned long ago that a new computer didn't need to have the same performance for all tasks. Just better performance on the most used applications, and higher benchmark numbers.
And real engineering power users use expensive licensed CAE software that runs on the big-iron corporate data-center servers that they ssh or Remote Desktop over to. An ARM MacBook plus a big monitor or two will work just fine for that.
A ridiculous comparison, I agree... but no Macs use an ARM chip to compare against
Sure, in theory.
In practice, how did that work out Windows on ARM?
Or Catalyst running iOS apps on Mac?
The raspberry pi is a tremendously useful device. I've got several of them here doing all manner of tasks. PiAware, Pi-hole, and Home Assistant among other things.
I have no idea how you can possibly say that they are useless.
Because the arm chip in the mac will not be the embedded CPU used to make a $30 caseless Rpi.
Just like the embedded x86 cpu in intel’s modem is not the same as a Xeon. You are making idiotic comparisons.
It is useless. For everything I wanted to do with it, it was useless and a complete failure. I simply threw it right into the bin and never looked back. Useful? Yeah right, oh look, it can open and close my garage door with one click! * rolleyes *
Then show me the most powerful ARM based computer that exists as of now, and I will tell you if it is useless or not. Pretty sure that for me it will be garbage, since it will not run my favorite apps or games.
That's one theory. The other theory being that Apple will relegate the high-end professional market to macOS + AMD and the consumer market to iPadOS / iOS + ARM
The funny thing is the Raspberry Pi 4 with a $75 Google Coral TPU USB stick is faster than my MacBook 16 at Machine Learning AI tasks like classifying the objects in a video stream and returning their positions at 30+ fps.
There is more than one way to solve a problem.
There are many ARM based computers that are more powerful. (i assume you don’t count ipads for some reason as computers, but they are already faster than many PCs).
Anyway, here’s Another: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15578/cloud-clash-amazon-graviton2-arm-against-intel-and-amd
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I didn‘t call you an idiot. I said your comparison was idiotic.