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if this is an argument to show that people actually do care about the camera bump even though they say otherwise, it's flawed.

I really don't care about the camera bump, because I always use one of Apple's cases (the phone is too slippery otherwise), but "the phone is thinner" stopped being useful to me once they got to perhaps 8mm. It just hasn't been a benefit to me since then, and the increased fragility of the phone is a major downside. Until they get to a phone so thin and flexible that you can literally roll it up, increased thinness is pointless. Now, more battery life I'd jump at. But I'd be buying that thicker phone because of the increased battery life, not because it lays flat without a case.
[doublepost=1492530638][/doublepost]Oh great, now I'm gonna have nightmares tonight!

I am sorry I don't know what you mean by nightmares. Should I search the web? I have located a float tank in West Hollywood. Shall we call them?
 
Yeah but with all due respect one person, you, cant speak for the entire mobile market and what people want...
Agreed.
which is (list of things)
Wait, wut?
[doublepost=1492531688][/doublepost]Ryanwarsaw: The power button will be replaced by Siri off/on.
Me: Oh great, now I'm gonna have nightmares tonight! Gee, thanks.
I am sorry I don't know what you mean by nightmares. Should I search the web? I have located a float tank in West Hollywood. Shall we call them?
If I have to ask Siri to turn the phone on and off for me, and have her pause briefly to communicate with servers, and have her get it wrong 30% of the time, I'm going to occasionally end up throwing the phone against a wall.

Pertinent to your response, though, Siri could do with a great deal less of offering to search the web - when has anyone ever actually been happy with that response? She could use two things (beyond ever improving speech recognition):

1. More common sense (yes, this is hard for software) - if I'm out driving and ask for directions to a restaurant, and Siri mishears the name and looks it up and starts giving me driving directions to a restaurant that's two thousand miles away... how likely is that to be what I wanted? It would at least be better to say, "hmm, the only match I found is 1,972 miles away, is that really what you want?" Even better in that situation would be to try harder to find a match (search fuzzier) within a reasonable driving distance, since that's pretty clearly what I'm after - that's what a human would do.

2. We need some sort of interactive command/edit/meta mode - let me say "Siri, you misheard the name of the restaurant, let me spell it for you..." and have her respond/interact appropriately. It's absurd that we have to repeat the same request six times, more slowly and more highly enunciated each time, and experimenting with emphasizing different syllables, trying to get her to understand a name that I could easily spell out in two seconds.
 
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I'm saying you can like your phone as do I as do many people, but there are certain things about Apple's iPhone that are long in the tooth needing upgrades,

That's all. You replied to someone who stated S8 + Samsung is keeping Apple on their toes, and you said you like your iPhone and it hasn't been fussy for 6 months as some sort of counter argument. The fact remains that S8 is a nice design.

...and Apple is keeping Samsung on their toes. It's not one sided.

For example, this year, after 10 years, will be the first to incorporate an OLED display. They are getting with the times, just not at Android speeds (and with all the variety Android has to offer)

There are minimum requirements that must be met before Apple will adopt a technology. It's easy for Android because they sell very few devices individually compared to Apple.

1. Tech has to be mature
2. Massive scale
3. Cost effective

Android manufacturers pretty much don't care about any of those 3.

While we're on the topic of Apple keeping up, how about that SoC from Qualcomm that's 1-2 years behind?
 
So many speculations and mock ups and "renders". Lets just wait now until Apple announces the dame thing. There is a difference between "rumors" and "fantasy". For most of these posts, and even worse the fanboi renders, you might as well claim that the new iPhone 8 will be made of genuine unicorn horn for as unlikely as that will happen in reality.

Also the worst thing to happen is that after all the hype and speculation, Apple releases a design that is rather pedestrian and is closer to iPhone 7 then the myth of what it should look like.
 
...and Apple is keeping Samsung on their toes. It's not one sided.



There are minimum requirements that must be met before Apple will adopt a technology. It's easy for Android because they sell very few devices individually compared to Apple.

1. Tech has to be mature
2. Massive scale
3. Cost effective

Android manufacturers pretty much don't care about any of those 3.

While we're on the topic of Apple keeping up, how about that SoC from Qualcomm that's 1-2 years behind?

Of course it's not one sided. Without iPhone Samsung wouldn't innovate to differentiate. Of course.

Apple A-series SoC is lightyears ahead of Qualcomm SoC's undoubtedly. It's impressive.

This part of your response sounds apologist and like straight from apple's mouth narrative: that tech neeeds time to mature.

To a certain extent and with certain tech yes. But also not so much in other aspects.

There is no technical reason a 4" screen couldn't have happened prior to iPhone 5 in 2012 for example. People reached their bitter end with a smaller screen so they made it a little taller. People still clamor to small phones but it's a niche now.

OLED will be plagued with uniformity issues/ hot pixels, etc and other things where people say "the tech needs to mature" mark my words.

Market demands shifted... which is my point
 
So many speculations and mock ups and "renders". Lets just wait now until Apple announces the dame thing. There is a difference between "rumors" and "fantasy". For most of these posts, and even worse the fanboi renders, you might as well claim that the new iPhone 8 will be made of genuine unicorn horn for as unlikely as that will happen in reality.

Also the worst thing to happen is that after all the hype and speculation, Apple releases a design that is rather pedestrian and is closer to iPhone 7 then the myth of what it should look like.

This isn't hype and speculation. This is Apple PR using Bloomberg as a mouthpiece to build excitement and set expectations. It was probably Phil Schiller, as one of the sources.

This is as reliable as it gets besides Apple actually announcing the device.
 
...and Apple is keeping Samsung on their toes. It's not one sided.



There are minimum requirements that must be met before Apple will adopt a technology. It's easy for Android because they sell very few devices individually compared to Apple.

1. Tech has to be mature
2. Massive scale
3. Cost effective

Android manufacturers pretty much don't care about any of those 3.

lmfao So Apple diehards can now both claim Android is flooding the market w/ cheap phones yet also claim numbers 1, 2 & 3?

You *do* realize Apple is never 1, 2 or 3 & it sells-- a phrases used here often-- like hotcakes.

Example: 1: Lightning adaptor to replace audio jack in latest iPhone. 2: Always "constrained" availability of ANY year's iPhone. Has spread to pricey name-dropping Rapper headphones & even wireless headphones. 3: Cost effective? C'mon, gtho(heck) of here!!!
 
Well I just dropped and cracked my beloved launch day iPhone 6 Plus. So now I need one of these fancy new iPhones in my life.
Going off of that curved screen design, our next phones are going to be screwed if we drop them. Case or no.
 
lmfao So Apple diehards can now both claim Android is flooding the market w/ cheap phones yet also claim numbers 1, 2 & 3?

You *do* realize Apple is never 1, 2 or 3 & it sells-- a phrases used here often-- like hotcakes.

Example: 1: Lightning adaptor to replace audio jack in latest iPhone. 2: Always "constrained" availability of ANY year's iPhone. Has spread to pricey name-dropping Rapper headphones & even wireless headphones. 3: Cost effective? C'mon, gtho(heck) of here!!!


I think you misunderstood. The three points is from a manufacturing standpoint.

1. Mature - meaning low risk in manufacturing

2. Massive scale - being able to produce millions of phones

3. Cost effective - is within their profit margins
 
Put your phone on a desk and type on it. It wobbles with every touch. That bothers me.

I would rather have a not-so thin phone with a decent battery that I can lay flat and use properly.
Mine is in a case, as I suspect the majority of iPhone users do the same. Therefore it lays flat (and does not slide). I find it strange that Samsung, LG, Google and Apple are fixated on the back of their phones when most people simple plop them in a case...
 
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Guys, you missed to mention that "iOS 11 will feature a refreshed user interface" according to Gurman :eek:
 
Option 3: Make it flush, and use the extra thickness for, I don't know, maybe a n extra big-ass battery?

I Don't disagree with you, although we know Apple won't go backwards with making it thicker for the sake of having a larger battery or reducing a camera bump. As you can see, one of the reasons they deleted the 3.5 mm Jack, was also to make room for larger battery, which they could have made the iPhone thicker and retain the Jack if Apple still wanted to. But they do things different,
Which not everyone agree's with.
 
I really don't like the curved sides. I wish they would go with the iPhone 4 look but thinner. Would be perfect for the 10th anniversary.
 
I find it strange that Samsung, LG, Google and Apple are fixated on the back of their phones when most people simple plop them in a case...
I find it amusing that a bunch of the iPhone case makers (like Otterbox) cut a hole in their cases so you can see the Apple logo (Apple can put their logo on their cases, but the third-party manufacturers can't). Because apparently some people need for others to evaluate them by what brand of device they're using. But I never really got the point of status symbols.

(If I could afford to drive a Ferrari, I'd drive one because I'd enjoy the heck out of the experience of driving it, not so I could yell "look at me I'm driving a Ferrari!")
 
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Should be more upset about having touch id on the back.
Believe me, I would be.
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Put your phone on a desk and type on it. It wobbles with every touch. That bothers me.

I would rather have a not-so thin phone with a decent battery that I can lay flat and use properly.
Yes, it would be difficult... if I was super weird and typed on it like a traditional keyboard. I've literally never seen someone do this on a phone.
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Also, the level feature (in Apple's own Compass app) is rendered useless with the protruding cam.
This is the first good argument I've seen against it.
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Option 3: Make it flush, and use the extra thickness for, I don't know, maybe a n extra big-ass battery?
You underestimate how heavy and cumbersome your phone would be if the entire thing were as thick as your camera bump.
 
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