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There are already plenty of GREAT Android phones on the market...

Yet Apple still sold 18 million iPhones last quarter... and 16.2 million iPhones the quarter before that. Any other manufacturer would KILL for those numbers...

I'm really starting to believe that Android phones are competing with each other... and Apple will keep doing its own thing regardless of the rest of the market.

Samsung must be exceeding the numbers, they sold over a million Galaxy S2s in South Korea within a few days. Over 400k new Android phones activated a day. Nothing can stop the power of Android.
 
There is a definite market for such a phone, and they should do it. Problem is that it has to be low enough in quality that it doesn't cannibalize the premier iPhone market.

Making lower res and lower processor is a start.
Eliminate cameras.

A basic cell phone that can still run apps (revenue raker) and movies/music (revenue), but isn't expensive or thrilling--something for kids and non-addict cell phoners. It'd be something like the first iPhone, essentially.

It would have a market, but I somehow doubt it would be a smart move. As the iPhone goes above the 5g, such a product might be "nano" enough to separate out from the golden product leading the market. Apple did such a move with the shuffle and nano as the iPod advanced onward, and it seems to have worked for the best.

The actually already have that.... the 3GS

One year ago today... the 3GS was still the top-of the line iPhone. And just 2 days later the iPhone 4 came out.

Now look at the 3GS... it's $49

Maybe the plastic 8GB 3GS should stick around for a while longer... call it iPhone Classic or something.

It's exactly what you're talking about... low-rez, not very fancy, etc.
 
There will never ever be a takedown model iPhone, apple equates the iPhone as being representative of the company's integrity and going cheap on the "best product" they've ever made holds no value. The iPhone is the definition of apple.
 
Retina will be sweet, but on the A5 you will loose the gaming experience that makes the iPad 2 even better. To get any benefit for Retina on iPad 3 it will be another almost year before anything is made for it. :

Why? Nothing stops games that need the horsepower from continuing to be 1024 x 768 and looking just like they do today. Think of a desktop computer. You can run games at1280 x 720 on a 1920 x 1080 display if your GPU can't handle the game at full monitor resolution.
 
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Launch date .... September 23rd.
 
There is still no need to go above 5 megapixels.

There's no reason not to though. More pixel, with all the improved optics Sony brings, makes for better, sharper images, especially when you want to crop and zoom certain parts in post edit.

There is a definite market for such a phone, and they should do it. Problem is that it has to be low enough in quality that it doesn't cannibalize the premier iPhone market.

Yes! Apple should do it! I know how they could do it too, just like... wait for this, it's pure genius... sell last year's phone at a reduced priced! You know, like they could keep on selling the 3GS right now alongside the iPhone 4 as a cheaper option.

Oh wait... :rolleyes:
 
Samsung must be exceeding the numbers, they sold over a million Galaxy S2s in South Korea within a few days. Over 400k new Android phones activated a day. Nothing can stop the power of Android.

All reports I have read say Samsung sold 10 million Android smartphones last quarter to Apple's 18 million iPhones.

You're right... nothing can stop the power of Android. But Apple's not cancelling the iPhone because of low sales.

BOTH will be around for the rest of our lives... especially since Apple makes more money than all those other manufacturers combined...

"2nd place" ain't all bad... :)
 
Why? Nothing stops games that need the horsepower from continuing to be 1024 x 768 and looking just like they do today. Think of a desktop computer. You can run games at1280 x 720 on a 1920 x 1080 display if your GPU can't handle the game at full monitor resolution.

I don't have an iPhone 4 but I remember loads of people asking for apps to be updated because stuff doesn't look right at the old resolution; I guess because you're so much closer to the screen than say a desktop computer or a TV. The iPad you propose would suffer from this problem permanently.
 
Apple? Bigger screen or I'm going to Android. How archaic will you be with your tiny little screen. It's so small compared to almost every phone out there. I hope you have woken up Steve and put a bigger screen on the new phone.
 
All existing iPad software would be black-boxed? What a mess. I say they'll double it or nothing at all.

Well not necessarily. If you went to 1440x960 Apple would probably just scale/stretch all current apps up to that res. so they would be full screen. Since the jump in resolution isn't that much apps wouldn't really look any worse.

I could see them doing a small jump in resolution because of hardware limitations, but I also can't see it because it would cause a 3rd resolution in the pipe for when they can do @2x.
 
One year ago today... the 3GS was still the top-of the line iPhone. And just 2 days later the iPhone 4 came out.

Now look at the 3GS... it's $49

Maybe the plastic 8GB 3GS should stick around for a while longer... call it iPhone Classic or something.
That's $49 with 2 year contract on an overpriced plan. It only saves the end user $150 over 2 years. Big deal.

Give me the 3GS for $300 and let me use it on one of the low-end prepaid plans ($25-$40/month) and you have a great offering. But as mentioned above, does this cannibalize sales from the newer phones? Diminish the Apple brand?
 
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Here is what I am thinking;

Most carriers provide subsidised phones for fixed term contracts

Most contracts (these days, in the uk, are 24 months)

Apple sells most of it's phones in month 1-2 of release.

As such most people's (with an iphone) renewal is around the same time of the year

Leaving a release date much further away than peoples refresh date would lead people into the temptation that is other phone manufacturers?

Interesting if they leave it much later than September.
 
So basically, Apple will be bringing their phone up to the hardware standards of the HTC Sensation and Samsung Galaxy S II? Or not quite?

The rotten apple slips farther and farther behind....
 
Well not necessarily. If you went to 1440x960 Apple would probably just scale/stretch all current apps up to that res. so they would be full screen. Since the jump in resolution isn't that much apps wouldn't really look any worse.

I could see them doing a small jump in resolution because of hardware limitations, but I also can't see it because it would cause a 3rd resolution in the pipe for when they can do @2x.

Any developer worth their salt has already made their iPhone apps work with the Retina display... with a fallback to iPhone 3GS resolution.

And... if they are really serious about iPad development... they make true iPad apps as well.

In the end.... if there are 2 iPhone resolutions and 2 iPad resolutions... developers WILL make them regardless.
 
That's $49 with 2 year contract on an overpriced plan. It only saves the end user $150 over 2 years. Big deal.

Give me the 3GS for $300 and let me use it on one of the low-end prepaid plans ($25-$40/month) and you have a great offering. But as mentioned above, does this cannibalize sales from the newer phones? Diminish the Apple brand?

Wait a minute... Apple has been offering the cheaper "last year" model for the past 3 years. Obviously it works... since the old-ass 3GS is still a top seller today.

I think the 3GS would be a perfect candidate for your non-contract or prepaid plan. It's older... slower... and doesn't have that great Retina display.

Surely that's enough to differentiate it from the new iPhone.

Plus... if the $49 3GS hasn't tarnished Apple's premium brand by now... I don't think it ever will.

But let's be real... would you really buy a 2 year old 3GS for $300? I understand the "no contract" thing... but if you did plan on using the same carrier for at least 2 years... why not spend only $200 and get the newest iPhone?
 
Honeycomb is catching up and so do Android devices, thus giving Apple more competition. As quite some people say it would not be viable to do have a doubleres display in the iPad at this point in time, i could imagine Apple to weigh the competition pressure higher than the problems that come with yet another resolution and introduce the latter nevertheless.

Apple is not really known for keeping things only for the sake of backwards compatibility like the Wintel world did e.g. with the A20 gate or other antique pieces in Windows...

Of course i'm talking about the Apple company that Steve Jobs led to its current high. With Jobs being off sick currently the strategic orientation of the company may (already have) change(d)...
 
There's no reason not to though. More pixel, with all the improved optics Sony brings, makes for better, sharper images, especially when you want to crop and zoom certain parts in post edit.

Reason not to is noise. More pixels means pixels closer together and/or smaller which means worse noise and worse low light performance.


Well not necessarily. If you went to 1440x960 Apple would probably just scale/stretch all current apps up to that res. so they would be full screen. Since the jump in resolution isn't that much apps wouldn't really look any worse.

I could see them doing a small jump in resolution because of hardware limitations, but I also can't see it because it would cause a 3rd resolution in the pipe for when they can do @2x.

Scaling by a third would look like crap (you want an integer multiple), plus the aspect ratio is different so everything would be distorted.
 
That's $49 with 2 year contract on an overpriced plan. It only saves the end user $150 over 2 years. Big deal.

Give me the 3GS for $300 and let me use it on one of the low-end prepaid plans ($25-$40/month) and you have a great offering. But as mentioned above, does this cannibalize sales from the newer phones? Diminish the Apple brand?

Exactly. The only ones who are buying the 3GS are people who can't understand the total cost of the phone. And if you're unable to pay another $150 when purchasing the phone, then how will you be able to pay the monthly charges? Add to that, the fact that you will be able to sell the 4 after the contract period is over.

Can anyone please tell me any good argument why people are still buying the 3GS?
 
High-res iPad 3. Too good to be true.
Not if it's a "third higher" like this report speaks of. That's easily in the realms of tablets in 2012, and the most sense I've heard come out of this rumor for a long time. I agree with you if we're talking twice the resolution. That's iMac 27" level and rather crazy.

A third higher resolution also makes sense from the viewpoint that you tend to not be looking on a tablet device as closely as a mobile phone. So it's easier to achieve "retina" display quality as long as we're still defining "retina" as "no perceptible pixels from a typical viewing distance".

A third higher resolution is in conflict with the scarce hidden iPad icons found to be twice the resolution, however. That's a major source of confusion for me... It just makes so little sense to run an iPad on such an insane resolution.
 
On the contrary - it's my engineering experience that tells me specs are a horrible way to compare products. A chip running at 2 GHz doesn't necessarily perform faster than one running at half the clock speed. Doubling the L1 cache size sounds good on paper, but can actually slow performance down. And we know how to make a mobile chip with 64 cores, but consumers wouldn't want to buy products that used it.

Engineering is all about trading off possibilities to meet constraints imposed by cost, marketing, customer demands, etc.

In the case of Apple's products, leaving off something important to a few percent of the potential audience in order to make things just a little better (cheaper, more reliable, less hot, etc.) for 97% of the potential audience makes a lot of sense.

True. I would never hype over a 5Ghz Intel Celeron Processor, if it ever came out. Others may.
 
Apple? Bigger screen or I'm going to Android. How archaic will you be with your tiny little screen. It's so small compared to almost every phone out there. I hope you have woken up Steve and put a bigger screen on the new phone.

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We have a winner! :) Doing the same if next iPhone doesn't have at least a 4" screen.
 
So whose right this guy or BGR reports?

Why can't both reports be right?

Updated iPhone 4 plus a newly designed iPhone 5? Given that we are talking about rumors, I can see the logic in a family of iPhones versus a single iPhone. At least that's what I hope happens! :D
 
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We have a winner! :) Doing the same if next iPhone doesn't have at least a 4" screen.

Good luck with the fragmentation and half baked apps.

Me on the other hand, well I own an iPad so if I feel the need for a larger screen such as right now, this comes in quite handy!
 
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