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A Linux-based phone becomes more appealing every day...

Sure does

I have no interest in talking to my phone assistant, nor having to worry about what it's doing "for me" and making sure I'm ok with whatever output it's come up with ... and I sure as hell don't want it sending messages to my friends, family and colleagues on its own and/or with text & grammar decisions it has made.

Like -- I flat out don't want any of this

So much of all this AI nonsense is simply trying to feed stock price growth and PE/VC overlords
It's all so misguided
 


Apple is expected to offer its new AI features in iOS 18 and other Apple operating systems as an opt-in service, as a way of allowing users wary of the technology to steer clear of it, reports Bloomberg.

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Apple has been working on a deal with OpenAI to integrate its ChatGPT technology into ‌iOS 18‌, and has come to an agreement to integrate its ChatGPT technology into iPhones and other Apple devices.

That partnership is expected to be announced next week at WWDC. However, the decision to green-light the deal reportedly did not come easily. Executives are said to have had concerns about reputational damage from a "rogue chatbot," while some people within Apple are even said to have a "philosophical aversion" to having a chatbot integrated into Apple software.

Ultimately, however, Apple felt that consumers would expect the cutting-edge technology to be offered by the company. By outsourcing the chatbot function, Apple can distance itself from the technology, and by providing AI features as an opt-in service, consumers will be given the choice to use it or not.

Apple is also in talks with Google about incorporating Gemini into its operating systems. As it negotiates the deals on a case-by-case basis, Apple may ultimately offer a number of third-party chatbots across its operating systems, according to today's report, citing people familiar with the matter.

Apple's decision to partner up with another company to deliver advanced AI features reportedly came after it hit a wall in its own artificial intelligence. Apple is known to have been working on its own large language model (LLM), the algorithm that underpins generative AI, and found that it could power basic features like voice memo transcriptions, photo editing, new Safari search capabilities, and Message auto-replies. However, Apple is said to have realized "early on" that competitors like Google and OpenAI were "far ahead in chatbots and on-the-fly assistance."

In iOS 18, Apple's LLM work will likely be limited to new ‌Siri features, with the virtual assistant expected to be able to‌ control all individual features in apps for the first time. These features are expected to work on-device, with more advanced AI features relying on cloud servers. This may be where OpenAI's technology is more likely to come in. Regardless, Apple is believed to see the OpenAI agreement as a stop-gap measure while it continues to work on its own generative AI technology.

Today's report also claims that Apple is looking beyond chatbots in its AI research, and intends to use LLMs to help power a pair of robotic devices that it is secretly developing. These are said to include the previously rumored table-top robotic arm with an iPad-like display, as well as a mobile robot that can follow users around and handle chores on their behalf. Apple reportedly also plans to integrate cameras and AI features into future AirPods.

Article Link: Report: iOS 18 Generative AI Features Expected to Be Opt-In Service
Personally, AI isn’t interesting. I’m not wowed by things created by a machine, and I would never rely on machine learning instead of learning about something myself.

I’m kinda sad about the direction tech is going in. Isolation with Vision Pro, lazy reliance with “AI”. I don’t know what I expected to be happening at this point, but I know that these things weren’t it.

Tech is best when it enhances our minds, inspires us to be creative. I find AI super lame, because even if it is always right, if you rely on it than all it takes is that one time for it to be catastrophically wrong. It’s just intellectually lazy, asking our computers to create images and stories for us. Where’s the fun in that?

This is obviously the direction we’re heading in. I’m just hoping that it’s opt-out, because I don’t see the value and philosophically I have fundamental issues with it.

I admit I don’t know what we should be focusing on instead. I just get bad vibes from the direction our tech seems to be going in.
 
I'm kind of a later adopter on using ChatGPT, but once you start using it, Siri is 100% completely inadequate. Apple had no choice here. You will be having conversations with your phone -- you will be! Or at least you will be giving verbal directives.
I’ve tried ChatGPT. I don’t enjoy having fake conversations with my phone.

In fact, I kinda of resent it. As soon as an AI is capable of actually having a real conversation, it will probably shut down the global economy and cripple us instead of talking to us.

And I don’t blame it. AI and VR are, in my mind, both examples of how small-minded we are. Sad stuff. Dystopian ****.
 
This fully aligns with the fact that Apple most likely can't support all the AI requests if some 50-70% of all iPhone owners jump to iOS 18 within a few months from launch.

"Opt-in" sounds to me like it's going to be a new service with a monthly fee or only be available as a part of either Apple One or some of the most expensive iCloud+ plans. You then opt in and pay an extra fee on top of your Apple One or iCloud+ plan. Non-AI bundles will still be available.

Apple giving every iOS 18 user free AI and paying server costs out of pocket only makes sense if its competitors offer the same with no monthly fees for AI.

But I do expect Apple maybe offering this service for free for a few months, to get us hooked. Or maybe because it's going to be super buggy and "in-beta" initially.

Still unlikely as that could lead to way more server traffic than Apple can support right now.
Considering Google has Gemini built into Android phones without a service fee, this wouldn't be a good move for Apple.
 
Still, how can people say it's useless before seeing a single thing on it?
“Before seeing a single thing on it” is simply not accurate. Folks on this site have read multiple MR stories about upcoming AI features. Are they “rumors”? Yes. And based on those descriptions, many of us find those AI features utterly useless, and often they look like way more trouble than they are worth. Not sure why you seem surprised members of a rumors site forum post opinions on the published rumors.
 
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Don’t know why I would need a chatbot in the first place.

“AI” features with the camera, photos, sure…don’t particularly feel the need to talk or write to my phone.
 
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lol could you imagine your parents trying to figure out a chat bot, or even trying to explain it to them?
Really?
What ages are we talking?

My parents are 85 and 82 respectively.

They are far more clued up on AI than I care to be…

So yeah.

How old are your parents? They don't understand what Google is? If they do, with a short introduction they will understand chatbot too.
100% agree.
 
Just to be clear, so we can opt not to have anything AI installed on our Mac and iOS devices?
 
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Features being restricted to new models isn't anything new. 14 Pro will be 2 years old by the time iOS 18/iPhone 16 comes out.

You'll likely get some AI features (all cloud powered ones) but not them all due to RAM (and possibly storage) limitations. Again, this isn't a new thing with Apple. There is no reason to expect Apple to bring all new features to old models.
What normally happens is at least 2 year old phones get all of the new features from the iOS upgrade & ones from 3 years older start to get features cut from it. It’s never been from 1 year old phone only gets all the new features
 
Gemini nano on Pixel 8 series says hello, All the AI you need for a mobile device is already on Android.
And all I can say is Gemini nano is still bag of hurt and rubbish. It still requires internet connection for super complex AI. Basically, Gemini nano is baby AI.

As true to Apple’s fashion, Apple wants to go beyond that. They want to do what regular Gemini can do but all on device. But there is no chip capable of doing so (well, close to Apple’s standards which is insanely high).

They are keeping Steve’s legacy of “It just works” and perfectionism alive and well. They won’t release a feature that is half-$&? like current AI is that can be cumbersome and spits out wrong stuff.


My Pixel 8 can do that but my nearly double the price iPhone 15 Pro just has a stupid useless island at the TOP of the screen just out of reach one handed.
Then why don’t you switch to Windows while you’re at it. You don’t understand the perfectionism of Apple. They don’t rush out the product and have it fail.
 
Great. We’ll see in 5 days, can’t wait for my iPhone 13 to be cut off after not even 3 years 😀
So what don't you understand about this? It’s all about the hardware being able to support AI’s power requirements and computing power (advanced neural networking). What makes you think your 13 has the guts to do this but instead want to imply planned obsolescence?
 
That's not really an option. Not for long anyway. Security updates will stop coming within a couple of months. Soon applications will start breaking.

I tried to stay on iPad OS 15 from before they ruined the TV app. Rapidly became a problem.
Your apps will still work it only becomes a problem when your on an iOS that’s maybe 3 years out of date not 1 year as you can still use an iPhone X & that only goes to iOS 16. You can hang on to iOS 17 for a bit longer like last year they still had an iOS 16 update out May 2024 iOS 16.7.8 & that was for bug fixes and security enhancements
You phone doesn’t just stop working because you won’t upgrade to the latest ios 18
 
Apple really seems to have dropped the ball with AI - a lot of panic and last-minute scrambling now to offer something.

Surely someone is getting fire or been fired - how could they not see all of this coming? And yet they were well ahead when Siri first launched but truly faltered and ignored its potential.
 
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Exactly, Gemini on Pixels and Galaxy is great because its useful stuff like photo editing or email summaries.

the average user does not want a freaking chat bot or cares if its on device or not, they just want cool stuff and it feels like all these leaks have Apple crapping their pants and rushing to shove some coked up Siri in our faces.
Geez. You sure seem worked up about something Apple hasn't done yet. So negative.
 
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Your apps will still work it only becomes a problem when your on an iOS that’s maybe 3 years out of date not 1 year as you can still use an iPhone X & that only goes to iOS 16. You can hang on to iOS 17 for a bit longer like last year they still had an iOS 16 update out May 2024 iOS 16.7.8 & that was for bug fixes and security enhancements
You phone doesn’t just stop working because you won’t upgrade to the latest ios 18
I don’t think it’s quite as straightforward as “maybe 3 years out of date”. I think it depends on what versions of OS each developer wants to support, so individual apps may fall into that “you need to upgrade OS” chasm at different times. If you don’t use many apps and/or the ones you use haven’t adjusted to any new OS API changes (or don’t have any adjustments to make), you could go a few years but others may get there sooner.

In any event, remember that Apple will hound the hell out of you to upgrade every time they release a new version. I usually delay my updates until I see what issues others have encountered, so I regularly deal with the interruptions to my flow/use regarding iOS/iPadOS updates. I wish there was a way to stop that nonsense, but apparently “Apple knows best” and they will insist you update your OS.
 
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