Blu-ray Licensing to Get Easier and Cheaper

[megfilmworks]

Calibrated? They are playing on the same damn HDTV.. You can not calibrated a ATV or a Blu-ray player.. You can only calibrated a TV..

You can calibrate each input source to your monitor or projector to match a reference source.(calibration disc or file)
These two shots have different color temps and widely different black levels.
That directly changes the perception of contrast and sharpness.

 

[Slim02]

You can calibrate each input source to your monitor or projector to match a reference source.(calibration disc or file)
These two shots have different color temps and widely different black levels.
That directly changes the perception of contrast and sharpness.

So you saying every time you watch on the same input (yes some HDTV do not have different calibrate for each input). You have to calibrate each time.. I sorry if the HDTV was calibrate right you would not need to change it every time you used a different device.. So if the blu-ray and ATV are using the same input with the same calibration and yet look different.. Then it proves ATV is not as good as blu-ray..

P.S. I will take Blu-ray and even DVD over download movies any day.. Good luck taking your Downloaded DRM movies over to a friends house that has no high speed internet or even a Computer...

 

[megfilmworks]

So you saying every time you watch on the same input (yes some HDTV do not have different calibrate for each input). You have to calibrate each time.. I sorry if the HDTV was calibrate right you would not need to change it every time you used a different device.. So if the blu-ray and ATV are using the same input with the same calibration and yet look different.. Then it proves ATV is not as good as blu-ray..

No, you calibrate when you first plug in a new piece of equipment or if you changed the bulb on your projector or change the lighting or location of your projector/monitor.
You want all your sources to match the calibration source.

Most consumer units allow calibration of black levels (very important),
color temp, contrast, brightness and the pro units allow you even deeper access (so you can really screw up your unit Then when you know that everything is equal you can now see the true differences.

As far as proving which one is better, the same model BR disc player may not match its twin, so until you calibrate, you just don't know. I would say by the pics that the ATV has a factory calibration that is a little more pleasing but less accurate (soft).
I have both and a great transfer like the IMAX photography in Batman
to BR is stunning,
but it's not half bad on the ATV, still breathtaking.

There is no doubt the BR has a better spec then the ATV,
but that will change too in the near future, IMHO.

 

[Slim02]

No, you calibrate when you first plug in a new piece of equipment or if you changed the bulb on your projector or change the lighting or location of your projector/monitor.
You want all your sources to match the calibration source.

Most consumer units allow calibration of black levels (very important),
color temp, contrast, brightness and the pro units allow you even deeper access (so you can really screw up your unit Then when you know that everything is equal you can now see the true differences.

As far as proving which one is better, the same model BR disc player may not match its twin, so until you calibrate, you just don't know. I would say by the pics that the ATV has a factory calibration that is a little more pleasing but less accurate (soft).
I have both and a great transfer like the IMAX photography in Batman
to BR is stunning,
but it's not half bad on the ATV, still breathtaking.

There is no doubt the BR has a better spec then the ATV,
but that will change too in the near future, IMHO.

Yes it could change but one thing that will not.. That is you can not take your DRM downloaded movies to a friends like you can with a Blu-ray or DVD..

 

[Tallest Skil]

Good luck taking your Downloaded DRM movies over to a friends house that has no high speed internet or even a Computer...

The word "downloaded" signifies the lack of a need for the Internet. And you don't need a computer to play a downloaded movie.

Yes it could change but one thing that will not.. That is you can not take your DRM downloaded movies to a friends like you can with a Blu-ray or DVD..

See above.

 

[megfilmworks]

Yes it could change but one thing that will not.. That is you can not take your DRM downloaded movies to a friends like you can with a Blu-ray or DVD..

True, with Apple I think you have 5 computers that can be authorized.
When I download Battlestar (because it looks better on the ATV than HD Cable)
I drag it to one of my media drives, then my girlfriend can install it as an alias on her computer's iTunes and it will load to her ATV.

And with cloud capability you could go to your friends,
turn on his ATV, access your iTunes through the cloud and
play your rented or purchased movie.
Or take your laptop, or a thumbdrive.

 

[Slim02]

The word "downloaded" signifies the lack of a need for the Internet. And you don't need a computer to play a downloaded movie.



See above.

REALLY.. So you can play DRM Movie from AppleTV on any device? Maybe you could learn to read before you start running at the mouth (key broad)..

 

[megfilmworks]

REALLY.. So you can play DRM Movie from AppleTV on any device?

Any computer that has iTunes or any ATV that is authorized through iTunes.
And since all computers can run iTunes, that is a pretty broad installation base!
You can't play a HD DVD in a BR or DVD player or a BR in a VHS deck.
I think the iTunes installation base is much larger than BD.

 

[Slim02]

Any computer that has iTunes or any ATV that is authorized through iTunes.
And since all computers can run iTunes, that is a pretty broad installation base!
You can't play a HD DVD in a BR or DVD player or a BR in a VHS deck.
I think the iTunes installation base is much larger than BD.

That is the point tho is "YOU NEED A COMPUTER" with iTunes but you only get SD not HD movies tho.. So 4 people are going to site around a computer at a friends house when he or she has a nice 60" HDTV... The point is if they own a DVD player or a Blu-ray player then no need to worry if they have a computer... Also there are players that play both HD DVD and Blu-ray..

 

[Tallest Skil]

That is the point tho is "YOU NEED A COMPUTER" with iTunes but you only get SD not HD movies tho.. So 4 people are going to site around a computer at a friends house when he or she has a nice 60" HDTV... The point is if they own a DVD player or a Blu-ray player then no need to worry if they have a computer...

Okay, let's assume that with the next Apple TV update that we'll be able to buy and rent 1080p movies in iTunes. You will not need a computer for them.

You do not need a computer for current digitally-bought movies.

 

[megfilmworks]

That point tho is "YOU NEED A COMPUTER" with iTunes.. So 4 people are going to site around a computer at a friends house when he or she has a nice 60" HDTV... The point is if they own a DVD player or a Blu-ray player then no need to worry if they have a computer...

You don't watch it on the computer,
You watch it on your 60" HDTV, either with a ATV or a direct line from your DVI output on the laptop.

Why spend more on a BR player than an ATV when the ATV gives your more content and a larger installed base through iTunes?
Can you watch your favorite TV show in HD the day after it aired on BR?
HD podcasts?
Rent an HD movie?
Listen to your music?
Look at your photos?
Look at Youtube?
etc,...
Best to have both!!

 

[DakotaGuy]

Blu-ray is using decades-old tech and a disgusting and unnecessary system of DRM to do something that is easily accomplished with solid state electronics or hard drive to hard drive downloads.

Blu-ray as a format is a farce. The content held on Blu-ray is not, however.

Where is your proof that Blu-ray is decades old technology? If you can show me something where Blu-ray development started decades ago I will believe you. Yes, the basic concept of using a laser to read a disc started with LD's and CD's, but the technology of using a blue laser to read a disk that is packed with up to 50GB of information (more possible in the future) is not something that was engineered decades ago.

Sometime I think people hate BD around here just because Apple didn't come up with the idea. I have a Panasonic BD player with about 40 BD's and I rent BD's through Netflix. I have been very happy with the quality of the player, disc, picture and sound.

Okay, let's assume that with the next Apple TV update that we'll be able to buy and rent 1080p movies in iTunes. You will not need a computer for them.

You do not need a computer for current digitally-bought movies.

You also have to assume that everyone is going to go out and buy an Apple TV and give their money to Apple. I like having choices. With BD I can choose where I purchase my content and on what player I play that content on.

 

[Slim02]

You don't watch it on the computer,
You watch it on your 60" HDTV, either with a ATV or a direct line from your DVI output on the laptop.

Why spend more on a BR player than an ATV when the ATV gives your more content and a larger installed base through iTunes?
Can you watch your favorite TV show in HD the day after it aired on BR?
HD podcasts?
Rent an HD movie?
Listen to your music?
Look at your photos?
Look at Youtube?
etc,...
Best to have both!!

Really.. ATV cost $329 (the $229 for a 40GB is not worth it or enough space) a Blu-ray player $299.99 and going down in price.. Also my PS3 can do all that to plus play DVD and Blu-ray movies...


Again you need a computer where they already own a Blu-ray or DVD player..

Okay, let's assume that with the next Apple TV update that we'll be able to buy and rent 1080p movies in iTunes. You will not need a computer for them.

You do not need a computer for current digitally-bought movies.

O.K. smart @$$ then how do you play the movies at a friends that only has a Blu-ray player or DVD player (without Divix)?... That right with a DISC... The whole point is you do not need a computer to buy a Blu-ray or DVD movie...

 

[megfilmworks]

Sometime I think people hate BD around here just because Apple didn't come up with the idea. I have a Panasonic BD player with about 40 BD's and I rent BD's through Netflix. I have been very happy with the quality of the player, disc, picture and sound.

I love my BD discs, but I know the format is doomed, at least for the mainstream.
The BD player has limited uses compared to media centers (ATV, Xbox, PS3) and it is a fixed technology
where (as we've seen with music downloads)
specs for digital downloads will improve with time,
possibly surpassing the BD spec in the very near future.

 

[Tallest Skil]

O.K. _____ ___

Delete these following two words now, please.

...then how do you play the movies at a friends that only has a Blu-ray player or DVD player (without Divix)?...

Plug your iPod into the TV.

That right with a DISC... The whole point is you do not need a computer to buy a Blu-ray or DVD movie...

Nor do you need a computer to watch iTunes content.

 

[DakotaGuy]

Really.. ATV cost $329 (the $229 for a 40GB is not worth it or enough space) a Blu-ray player $299.99 and going down in price.. Also my PS3 can do all that to plus play DVD and Blu-ray movies...

Again you need a computer where they already own a Blu-ray or DVD player..

O.K. smart @$$ then how do you play the movies at a friends that only has a Blu-ray player or DVD player (without Divix)?... That right with a DISC... The whole point is you do not need a computer to buy a Blu-ray or DVD movie...

I'd take this whole situation further then just not needing a computer or taking your discs to play at a friends house. I think it also comes down to being free to purchase that content from any vendor of your choice. Sometimes Walmart is having a sale, sometimes Amazon or Best Buy is. You can also purchased used discs at a Pawn Shop or eBay. You are not locked into one place for your purchases. You also have choices on your rentals, Netflix, Blockbuster, Mom and Pop video rental, etc. Once you have your movies, BD is a standardized format and you can go purchase the player of your choice. You might have a PS 3 and your buddy might have a Panasonic. Guess what? It is still just going to work.

With the Apple TV, it's Apple or nothing. You are at the mercy of Apple for the content and for the playback of that content. You don't have any choices. You might argue that Sony offers a similar service on their PS3 or Microsoft on their xBox 360, but once again you are locked into their service.

If they come up with a way to download standardized digital files and find an easy and fast way to transfer those files to any device of your choosing regardless of brand, then fine, lets go 100% download. Until then I like having choices in where I purchase my content and on what devices I play it on.

EDIT: I also wanted to add one more thing. When I no longer want a movie I can sell that movie on eBay or to a friend. How exactly to you sell a file? How do you prove that with copyright restrictions and how would you be able to release the DRM so someone else could own that file? Just something else that I like about physical media.

 

[Slim02]

Delete these following two words now, please.



Plug your iPod into the TV.



Nor do you need a computer to watch iTunes content.

LMAO.. WOW you watching movies for a iPod LOL.. Yea that so much better then a DVD or Blu-ray not.. The last time I check there a limit (640 by 480 pixels) on how big the pixels can be and the iPod only outputs stereo audio not 5.1 surround sound.. You still need a computer to put the movies on the iPod.. Give it up..

 

[Tallest Skil]

You still need a computer to put the movies on the iPod.. Give it up..

You're certainly being hypocritical about this "person in possession of the movies owning a computer" thing.

 

[Slim02]

I'd take this whole situation further then just not needing a computer or taking your discs to play at a friends house. I think it also comes down to being free to purchase that content from any vendor of your choice. Sometimes Walmart is having a sale, sometimes Amazon or Best Buy is. You can also purchased used discs at a Pawn Shop or eBay. You are not locked into one place for your purchases. You also have choices on your rentals, Netflix, Blockbuster, Mom and Pop video rental, etc. Once you have your movies, BD is a standardized format and you can go purchase the player of your choice. You might have a PS 3 and your buddy might have a Panasonic. Guess what? It is still just going to work.

With the Apple TV, it's Apple or nothing. You are at the mercy of Apple for the content and for the playback of that content. You don't have any choices. You might argue that Sony offers a similar service on their PS3 or Microsoft on their xBox 360, but once again you are locked into their service.

If they come up with a way to download standardized digital files and find an easy and fast way to transfer those files to any device of your choosing regardless of brand, then fine, lets go 100% download. Until then I like having choices in where I purchase my content and on what devices I play it on.

And that is my point.. I do not stream or download movies because it tried or locked into one device.. Also I have no other choice to have Comcast (with a 250GB cap on bandwidth) as my IPS because there is only Cable or DSL (At&t) where I live.. So download as it stands is not worth it as Blu-ray and DVD is..

 

[Tallest Skil]

...Comcast...

NOW I understand where you're coming from.

Your point is completely valid in your circumstance.

 

[megfilmworks]

If they come up with a way to download standardized digital files and find an easy and fast way to transfer those files to any device of your choosing regardless of brand, then fine, lets go 100% download. Until then I like having choices in where I purchase my content and on what devices I play it on.

That's already happening with Apple.
Apple stands against DRM as witnessed by the scrubbing of it from their
music downloads.
There are many video downloads from iTunes that are playable on any platform that can play standard av files. Media centers, computers, etc.
Much more flexibility not less.
The day will come when all the downloads will be DRM free.
BR only plays BR. Very inflexible and old school.

 

[Slim02]

You're certainly being hypocritical about this "person in possession of the movies owning a computer" thing.

No it called making a point.. Using a iPod to watch movies is not the way to go. Seeing you can not get HD movies and 5.1 from a iPod.. Watching a movie on a iPod on a 60" HDTV going to look like crap compared to a DVD..

 

[megfilmworks]

Watching a movie on a iPod on a 60" HDTV going to look like crap compared to a DVD..

You're not kidding... unwatchable.
So why not buy a ATV instead of a computer (or BD player)
and get:
HD movie rentals (cheaper than buying!)
HD TV show purchases (soon to be DRM free!)
Free HD teasers and trailers
Your entire music library at your fingertips
The latest HD music vidoes
Youtube
Your photo library
All with HDMI single cord hookup
1080P is coming as well!
Or you can get a BD player and watch the same 10 movies over and over

 

[Slim02]

That's already happening with Apple.
Apple stands against DRM as witnessed by the scrubbing of it from their
music downloads.
There are many video downloads from iTunes that are playable on any platform that can play standard av files. Media centers, computers, etc.
Much more flexibility not less.
The day will come when all the downloads will be DRM free.
BR only plays BR. Very inflexible and old school.

That all great for us that have high speed internet.. But what about people that live 30 or 50 miles outside city limits where there is no high speed internet.. Where are them people going to get there HD movies from? That right from Blu-ray or what ever is the next disc type.. And yes there are people still out there that only have dail-up or do not have any internet at all. So disc for movies will always be there..

 

[DakotaGuy]

That's already happening with Apple.
Apple stands against DRM as witnessed by the scrubbing of it from their
music downloads.
There are many video downloads from iTunes that are playable on any platform that can play standard av files. Media centers, computers, etc.
Much more flexibility not less.
The day will come when all the downloads will be DRM free.
BR only plays BR. Very inflexible and old school.

So when I no longer want that movie how do I sell it and recoup some of my investment? I do quite a bit of buying and selling of DVD's and BD's.

What other devices can play the Apple movies right now? Can I buy something from another company to use as a media center and play the Apple file. Will Apple allow files purchased from another company like for example Amazon to play on their player?

Your right in the future this might all be possible. As far as no DRM that will all be fine and dandy until movie sales start to go down and Hollywood starts loosing money. You know that will open a big door for bootlegging which is a lot bigger business when it comes to film then music.