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Both of your opinions are fine, you can believe whatever you want.

Truth is, 720p IS medium definition by resolution and HD by name only. 1080p is the only true high definition resolution right now.

Ok, I have to disagree with you here.

As a TV editor/producer, I deal with formats all the time, especially HD. 720P is NOT medium definition, it is strictly high definition. It's not a matter about what one wants to believe or not, it is strictly fact.

It is a STANDARD. It is just another flavor of HD. To say it is medium defintion is only discrediting it. HD doesn't just go by resolution ... true, 720p is only 1280x720 while 1080i/p is 1920x1080, but lets look at 720p and 1080i.

720p is full progressive frame, with the ability to go to 60p while 1080i is interlaced, with interweaving fields. So although 1080i has higher resolution, 720p has far better temporal resolution. There's a reason a lot of networks, particularly sports networks, have chosen 720p as their HD format of choice.

Now 1080p is the combination of pros from both 720p and 1080i, but to say 720p is medium definition is just wrong.

To define anything as True HD only if its 1920x1080 is being very misinformed of what HD is. Cause that's to say that the majority of pro acquisition formats aren't HD then. The $100,000+ Sony Cinealta which they use to shoot many Motion Picture Films (Star Wars, Collateral, etc.) records in the HDCAM format, which is 1440x1080. So is that not true HD? Panasonic's DVCPROHD format in 1080 is actually recorded 1280x1080 to tape. Is that not true HD?

The fact of the matter is "True HD" is a term made by companies to sell their products. You have the power as a consumer to truly inform yourself.
 
That reason is hardware cost and bandwidth limitations, not quality.

Not at all ... have you tried doing slow motion in 720p for broadcast, infinitely better and cleaner than in 1080i, because the far better spatial resolution. (which is why sports networks love it)

Now 1080p ... that's where bandwidth limitations come in ... that's why networks have to choose between 720p or 1080i, with p not even on the list.
 
Both of your opinions are fine, you can believe whatever you want.

Truth is, 720p IS medium definition by resolution and HD by name only. 1080p is the only true high definition resolution right now.
What I stated was not an opinion, it was a fact. 720p and 1080i are HD. By definition. No one is claiming that they are the highest resolution that's possible. Obviously 1080p is higher resolution than 720p. That does not mean that 720p is not HD.

As already mentioned, "True HD" is a phrase made up by manufacturers to differentiate 1080p from 720p and 1080i. It is not part of any standard.

You are welcome to your opinion. If you want to state that 1080p is the highest quality HD resolution available, that would be fine. Please stop stating that 720p and 1080i are not HD. They are. If you think they're not, you are wrong.
 
Regardless of how many pixels are available on the screen and whether we call that standard or HD resolution (or something else), in the end we should not expect high quality unless we have two things:
  1. A good codec
  2. A high bitrate
It's that second item where Bluray has an advantage over online services - for now. Over time, this will change, of course: available bandwidth is going nowhere but up, and codec development will improve, too, but the Bluray specs will be frozen so they won't be able to take advantage of it.

- Martin
 
Some other thoughts occurred to me on the topic of HD. Technically, there is no High Definition standard; there is a Digital Television standard. According to the government’s website on DTV, there are three categories of DTV: Standard Definition, Enhanced Definition and High Definition. Here’s how they define those categories (from http://www.dtv.gov/DTV_booklet.pdf):

Standard Definition TV (SDTV)
SDTV is the baseline display and resolution for both analog and digital. Transmission of SDTV is usually in the traditional 4x3 aspect ratio, but may be wide-screen 16x9 format. SDTV and analog TV can deliver up to 480 interlaced (480i) resolution, although analog TV may be lower.

Enhanced Definition TV (EDTV)
EDTV is a step up from analog TV and SDTV. Also called 480 progressive (480p), EDTV is widescreen 16x9 or traditional 4x3 format and provides better picture quality than SDTV, but not as good as HDTV. Traditional DVDs are encoded as 480p (although newer HD-DVD and Blu-ray players allow viewing of HDTV discs).

High Definition TV (HDTV)
HDTV in widescreen provides the highest resolution and picture quality of all DTV formats. A current analog TV picture is made up of 480 horizontal lines. An HDTV picture can have up to 1080 lines, allowing for sharp picture detail. The most common formats are 720p (“p” stands for progressive scan – see “DTV Definitions,” pg.11) and 1080i (“i” stands for interlaced - see “DTV Definitions,” pg.11) with either 720 progressively (non-interlaced) scanned lines or 1080 interlaced lines. Combined with digitally-enhanced sound technology, HDTV achieves a new benchmark for sound and picture quality in television.

Broadcasters are required to use some or all of these standards when delivering DTV broadcasts. If they deliver 720p or 1080i, they are delivering High Definition Television signals. By the definitions laid out in the DTV standard. This is not opinion. If you think that anything less than 1080p is not HD, you are simply making it up. And you're wrong.
 
Both of your opinions are fine, you can believe whatever you want.

Truth is, 720p IS medium definition by resolution and HD by name only. 1080p is the only true high definition resolution right now.

well whatever you want to define it as, probably about only 10% of hi-def tvs out there are 1080 and half of them are probably about 40" where you could only see a difference at about 2 feet away.
 
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No way, DVD is going to be here for many more years. Even VHS kept going even after DVD was introduced way back in the late nineties. Hell, Blu-Ray just debuted in '06, and you think by '09 they won't release some movies on standard DVD anymore? Yet millions and millions of homes have DVD players and not Blu-Ray. Just look at the big deal regarding these Digital conversion boxes for the switch to Digital broadcasts. Consumers in the know have known about this switch for years, but the general public has NOW just started to pick up on it.

I doubt it, I dont know anyone that used vhs even for the past 7-9 years now and I know some people still buy dvd's but these days hddvd/bluray is what most (well friends who have hdtv wants/buys now). Even today I get turned down by dvd releases instead of hddvd/bluray.

Expect dvd to die out in the next 3-5 years, but to me its already been dead for the past 3 years.
 
well whatever you want to define it as, probably about only 10% of hi-def tvs out there are 1080 and half of them are probably about 40" where you could only see a difference at about 2 feet away.

I think more than 10% are 1080p out there. Just go look at circuit city, walmart, sams club, costco, best buy and out of all their selection on hdtv's ranging from sony all the way down to westinghouse, they all have 1080p ranging from 32-60." Especially like vizio you can get a 1080p 42-60" these days for like $1200-$1700.

Such as this vizio from walmart, http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8586330 Only $1346 46" full 1080p.

1080p is overdue and I think its already been here for a good 2 years now and its the pretty much the "standard" now a days when you look into purchasing a new hdtv and is a must.
 
Both of your opinions are fine, you can believe whatever you want.

Truth is, 720p IS medium definition by resolution and HD by name only. 1080p is the only true high definition resolution right now.

With respect, you are also offering only an opinion when you state that 1080p is the only "true" HD format available, since it is but one of three possible HD standards as defined by the Advanced Television Systems Committee which sets these standards for the US (and other countries who have adopted their standards).

480p and 576p would be examples of "medium resolution" video as defined by the ATSC's EDTV specifications. However, Australia considerd 576p to be "high definition" when they started DVB-T broadcasts, but they are now moving to 720p and 1080i.

Now it does appear the ITU at one time (the 1980s) did not consider 720p to be "high definition" as it is not included in ITU-R BT.709-2 "global HDTV" spec. However, it was never adopted in actual use, so it's a moot point. And even they eventually adopted it in ITU-R BT.1543.
 
Both of your opinions are fine, you can believe whatever you want.

Truth is, 720p IS medium definition by resolution and HD by name only. 1080p is the only true high definition resolution right now.
Err, no. The fact is 720p is HD. I think the lack of oxygen at the top of your high horse is becoming problematic.


That reason is hardware cost and bandwidth limitations, not quality.
Which is exactly the same reason you don't see everyone shooting 65mm and watching movies in their backyard IMAX theater. The cost/benefit isn't there. Everything is a compromise.


Lethal
 
Err, no. The fact is 720p is HD. I think the lack of oxygen at the top of your high horse is becoming problematic.



Which is exactly the same reason you don't see everyone shooting 65mm and watching movies in their backyard IMAX theater. The cost/benefit isn't there. Everything is a compromise.


Lethal

No offense but looks like someone owns a 720p native hdtv here :p

I'm sorry but if you ever seen a 1080p movie on a full 1080p hdtv... you cant ever go back to the 720p/1080i, yes even if its a 37"-42". I wouldnt say 720p looks like utter crap but you just cant go back...

Like I've been watching only 1080p movies on my 52" sony bravia but once in a while I go to my friend's house and him and his roommate have their own 37" 720p plasma and my other friend has a 42" samsung (dont know which model) hdtv both running at 720p/1080i and while they are watching their bluray movies it does look good but to me the quality looks pretty bad...
 
I think more than 10% are 1080p out there. Just go look at circuit city, walmart, sams club, costco, best buy and out of all their selection on hdtv's ranging from sony all the way down to westinghouse, they all have 1080p ranging from 32-60." Especially like vizio you can get a 1080p 42-60" these days for like $1200-$1700.

Such as this vizio from walmart, http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8586330 Only $1346 46" full 1080p.

1080p is overdue and I think its already been here for a good 2 years now and its the pretty much the "standard" now a days when you look into purchasing a new hdtv and is a must.

most of the cheaper (more popular) "1080p" TVs for sale today don't have 1080p inputs, they just deinterlace from 1080i. Even when fed a 1080p signal from an HD-DVD or BR player (or other 1920x1080), many "1080p" models down-res that signal to 1080i first and then process it back up to 1080p.

Higher-end displays, and those that were developed for release in 08/09 typically have a full 1080p signal path from connector to the lit pixels...

but right now you're talking about less than 10% of the installed base, and probably 20-30% of the current high-end display models.

2 years ago the first 1080p displays were "wobbulated" rear projection DLP models, and I'm sorry, but they were a weak offering and a marketing ploy. a decent 720p plasma looked 10X better, no matter what the marketing heads wanted you to think.

For a living room or home theater display, if you're looking at something smaller than 60" then 1080p is overkill. If you're sitting at a computer display, then 1920x1200 is really useful. So are larger resolutions, as many a 30" ACD owner knows.

I'd go so far as to say that if you're sitting 8 feet away from two identical Panasonic 50" commercial plasma displays (11th generation), and one is 1080p, the other 720p, you will NOT be able to discern a difference between them. No matter how good your vision is.

I would go so far as to say this because I have done this and until you jump to the 58" models, you can't tell at a reasonable viewing distance.
 
most of the cheaper (more popular) "1080p" TVs for sale today don't have 1080p inputs, they just deinterlace from 1080i. Even when fed a 1080p signal from an HD-DVD or BR player (or other 1920x1080), many "1080p" models down-res that signal to 1080i first and then process it back up to 1080p.

Do you have any proof to back up this claim?? Until you do I dont believe it, sure the cheaper model hdtv all have hdmi *inputs* that does 1080p signals just fine, there is no special hdmi that does this.*

Also more expensive hdtv just have better material such as the glass/panel and just circuitry (maybe chip to have features like my sony bravia has the motion enhancer as to other 1080p hdtv's or samsung has its own version at the same price and the (quality) as other hdtv. Then if your theory is correct, that means the cheaper hdtv with 720p natives cant really process it up to 720p but 720i (interlaced) and its hdmi isnt capable of streaming the full 720p?? That just doesnt make any sense my friend.
 
No offense but looks like someone owns a 720p native hdtv here :p

I'm sorry but if you ever seen a 1080p movie on a full 1080p hdtv... you cant ever go back to the 720p/1080i, yes even if its a 37"-42". I wouldnt say 720p looks like utter crap but you just cant go back...

Like I've been watching only 1080p movies on my 52" sony bravia but once in a while I go to my friend's house and him and his roommate have their own 37" 720p plasma and my other friend has a 42" samsung (dont know which model) hdtv both running at 720p/1080i and while they are watching their bluray movies it does look good but to me the quality looks pretty bad...

very, very, very few 37" plasmas are 720p. They were almost all 480p "ED" displays. DVDs look really good on those displays, but they are not HD. Panasonic makes one commercial and one consumer plasma that are 720p and 37". the rest are 480p...

yes, 1080p is better than 720p. If you have a good source and a very good display, that is. I guess you must sit about 5 feet from your 52" sony. My wife would get mad at me if I did that.

Now a 1080p front projector with a 3,000 dollar hdmi scaler...that's a thing of beauty.
 
very, very, very few 37" plasmas are 720p. They were almost all 480p "ED" displays. DVDs look really good on those displays, but they are not HD. Panasonic makes one commercial and one consumer plasma that are 720p and 37". the rest are 480p...

yes, 1080p is better than 720p. If you have a good source and a very good display, that is. I guess you must sit about 5 feet from your 52" sony. My wife would get mad at me if I did that.

Now a 1080p front projector with a 3,000 dollar hdmi scaler...that's a thing of beauty.

I had an nec lt240k DLP projector at 1080i but 720p native resolution that I used for the past 4 years and absolutely loved and a projector is a totally different experience I do agree than hdtv's, especially hooking up the xbox 360 on a 150" wall is absolutely amazing experience.

But I noticed that its so much of a hassle to own a projector, you have to clean the lens often, watch out for the lamp hour running down, have to clean the color wheel every 6-12 months(or else the colors wont look as good as the first year you used it and the fear or breaking the color wheel... the list goes on and on... thats why I opted for a sony bravia hdtv instead of the same priced (actually cheaper) sony bravia projector at full 1080p with the motion enhancer as well as my sony bravia hdtv (I think it was about $400-700 cheaper I found on ebay brand new).

But in alot of forums many people agree they like the hdtv better as it does produce slightly better pictures as to a projector even if it is dlp.

P.s. I sit about 7-8 feet away from the 52" sony bravia xbr4, I watched beowulf last night in full 1080p with 5.1 DTS Dolby Digital AC3 and its... UTTERLY GORGEOUS!! 100x better than imax 3d version I'd say! =D
 
Do you have any proof to back up this claim?? Until you do I dont believe it, sure the cheaper model hdtv all have hdmi *inputs* that does 1080p signals just fine, there is no special hdmi that does this.*

Also more expensive hdtv just have better material such as the glass/panel and just circuitry (maybe chip to have features like my sony bravia has the motion enhancer as to other 1080p hdtv's or samsung has its own version at the same price and the (quality) as other hdtv. Then if your theory is correct, that means the cheaper hdtv with 720p natives cant really process it up to 720p but 720i (interlaced) and its hdmi isnt capable of streaming the full 720p?? That just doesnt make any sense my friend.

i've spent countless hours on the avs forums...trust me...the first 2 generations of "1080p" displays were not only fake 1080p, they couldn't accept a 1080p signal without converting it to something smaller internally.

as i said, today things are different, but we're talking about the last 8-10 months or so.

i never said anything about displays that down-res to 720i. I was talking only about "1080p" displays that are not. There is no 720i standard for displays. that would be less than EDTV resolution (852x480, typically) of first-generation plasmas.

the limitation on the first "1080p" displays was a signal processing issue only. i'll break it down for you since you don't seem to believe me.

a 1080p signal is sent via HDMI to one of these displays. The first thing that happens is that the HDCP handshake takes place, and the data gets decrypted. Then, in early 1080 displays, the signal processor down-samples the full 1080 signal to the display's internal native resolution, whether this is 1440x1080 or 1920x540 or some other in-between is irrelevant...the actual video display hardware wasn't capable of 1080p signal processing without quite a bit of delay. it was a limitation of the processing chips available 2-3 years ago, and it is well documented on the AVS forums if you want proof. This down- (or up- if you're sending a lower-resolution signal to the display) sampled signal is then processed and fed to the imaging device, which in any rear projection tv of the time was converted into a "wobbly" diamond pattern or some other visual trick to hide the screen-door effect of the actual resolution. The result was something considerably less-precise than what you would see on a native 1920x1080 fixed-pixel display such as a plasma or LCD.

Now, 2 years ago, a 50" fixed pixel (plasma) display with 1365x768 resolution (720p for all intents and purposes) was at least $3,000. 50" LCDs were few and far between, and still well over $10K. the first 50" 1080p plasmas were only available in early 2007, and the price tag was typically 4500 dollars or more.

Today that same 50" 720p display is 1500 dollars, and the 1080p version is 2500. The TVs at Wal Mart that say 1080p on them look like dog turds sitting next to a Panasonic TH-50PH10UKA, which is a 720p panel. Even nicer is Pioneer's current 50" 1080p display, but it is a cool $5K or more.

Now, the TH-65PF10UK is a full 1080p display and 65 inches to boot. It is beautiful. It's huge hanging on a wall. It weighs about 170 lbs. And it is still over 6,000 dollars at the cheapest plasma store in the country.

I'm guessing from your description of it that you've got the XBR KDL-52XBR, right? That's a 3,000 dollar LCD and not exactly in most people's budgets...That's a nice display. not the best black-levels, but good for an LCD.

Now do me a favor and go check out best buy and look at what most flat-panel displays are...they have 86 that claim 1080p and 57 that are 720p. Most of the 1080p panels are at or above 2000 dollars, and most of the 600-2000 dollar displays are 720p.

I promise you that most people buying a TV are not spending more than 2000 dollars. in fact, it looks like fewer than 10 of the top 50 best selling flat-panel TVs are more than 2000 bucks. Only 15 of them are listed at 1080p.
 
A couple random comments / responses:

1. I jumped into this thread to counter the false statements about 1080p being the only True HD. I have no doubt that 1080p is capable of providing a better picture than 720p or 1080i, but that doesn't mean the latter two formats are not HD. They are.

2. Saying "once you've seen 1080p you can't go back to 1080i or 720p" is a bit on the ludicrous side. If you are so hung up on the extra resolution that you can't watch a good 720p feed, than you are missing the point. It should be about being able to enjoy good movies and TV shows. Obviously it's easier to enjoy them if the quality is better, but as long as the quality is good you should be able to enjoy them. I expect to get a flat panel TV (probably about 50") in the next 6-12 months (I now have a 42" widescreen rear projection unit). I also expect to get a Blu-ray player, maybe come this Christmas season. But I will still be able to watch and enjoy upconverted DVDs. I am not going to replace 600+ DVDs with Blu-ray discs (I'll replace some, but not most). So, if you "can't go back", I feel sorry for you. The quality of the art is more important than the quality of the paint and canvas.
 
i've spent countless hours on the avs forums...trust me...the first 2 generations of "1080p" displays were not only fake 1080p, they couldn't accept a 1080p signal without converting it to something smaller internally.

as i said, today things are different, but we're talking about the last 8-10 months or so.

i never said anything about displays that down-res to 720i. I was talking only about "1080p" displays that are not. There is no 720i standard for displays. that would be less than EDTV resolution (852x480, typically) of first-generation plasmas.

the limitation on the first "1080p" displays was a signal processing issue only. i'll break it down for you since you don't seem to believe me.

a 1080p signal is sent via HDMI to one of these displays. The first thing that happens is that the HDCP handshake takes place, and the data gets decrypted. Then, in early 1080 displays, the signal processor down-samples the full 1080 signal to the display's internal native resolution, whether this is 1440x1080 or 1920x540 or some other in-between is irrelevant...the actual video display hardware wasn't capable of 1080p signal processing without quite a bit of delay. it was a limitation of the processing chips available 2-3 years ago, and it is well documented on the AVS forums if you want proof. This down- (or up- if you're sending a lower-resolution signal to the display) sampled signal is then processed and fed to the imaging device, which in any rear projection tv of the time was converted into a "wobbly" diamond pattern or some other visual trick to hide the screen-door effect of the actual resolution. The result was something considerably less-precise than what you would see on a native 1920x1080 fixed-pixel display such as a plasma or LCD.

Now, 2 years ago, a 50" fixed pixel (plasma) display with 1365x768 resolution (720p for all intents and purposes) was at least $3,000. 50" LCDs were few and far between, and still well over $10K. the first 50" 1080p plasmas were only available in early 2007, and the price tag was typically 4500 dollars or more.

Today that same 50" 720p display is 1500 dollars, and the 1080p version is 2500. The TVs at Wal Mart that say 1080p on them look like dog turds sitting next to a Panasonic TH-50PH10UKA, which is a 720p panel. Even nicer is Pioneer's current 50" 1080p display, but it is a cool $5K or more.

Now, the TH-65PF10UK is a full 1080p display and 65 inches to boot. It is beautiful. It's huge hanging on a wall. It weighs about 170 lbs. And it is still over 6,000 dollars at the cheapest plasma store in the country.

I'm guessing from your description of it that you've got the XBR KDL-52XBR, right? That's a 3,000 dollar LCD and not exactly in most people's budgets...That's a nice display. not the best black-levels, but good for an LCD.

Now do me a favor and go check out best buy and look at what most flat-panel displays are...they have 86 that claim 1080p and 57 that are 720p. Most of the 1080p panels are at or above 2000 dollars, and most of the 600-2000 dollar displays are 720p.

I promise you that most people buying a TV are not spending more than 2000 dollars. in fact, it looks like fewer than 10 of the top 50 best selling flat-panel TVs are more than 2000 bucks. Only 15 of them are listed at 1080p.

I'm sorry I still dont buy it, just because you say so doesnt mean it is, I still need to see proof from a professionals/electrical engineer's stand point on this issue to proove this.

Of course the cheaper 1080p wont look as good as the 1080p double its price, there are better chips/boards and panels that utilize to make the all better quality of the display. Same goes for computer monitors as well with s-ips screens as s-pva and we pay the top dollars for the best. But I do believe the cheaper hdtv's *today* does give you the full 1080p that its promised (if you compare the same hdtv *model/make* of only 720p as to a 1080p you WILL see a big difference whether its 37" or 42". Also dont assume that a 37"-52" 1080p is over kill, I've seen a 1080p sony bravia 37" play a 720p(native) movie then popped in a 1080p(native) and the difference was HUGE.

Its always been said that you wont see a difference in 1080p unless its 60" or higher is just a myth.

As the 1080p displays 2 years ago were scarce and less manufactured or available, today 1080p is cheaper to manufacture which makes it pretty much almost the standard these days, also were not talking about 2 years ago, were talking about today ;)
 
A couple random comments / responses:

1. I jumped into this thread to counter the false statements about 1080p being the only True HD. I have no doubt that 1080p is capable of providing a better picture than 720p or 1080i, but that doesn't mean the latter two formats are not HD. They are.

2. Saying "once you've seen 1080p you can't go back to 1080i or 720p" is a bit on the ludicrous side. If you are so hung up on the extra resolution that you can't watch a good 720p feed, than you are missing the point. It should be about being able to enjoy good movies and TV shows. Obviously it's easier to enjoy them if the quality is better, but as long as the quality is good you should be able to enjoy them. I expect to get a flat panel TV (probably about 50") in the next 6-12 months (I now have a 42" widescreen rear projection unit). I also expect to get a Blu-ray player, maybe come this Christmas season. But I will still be able to watch and enjoy upconverted DVDs. I am not going to replace 600+ DVDs with Blu-ray discs (I'll replace some, but not most). So, if you "can't go back", I feel sorry for you. The quality of the art is more important than the quality of the paint and canvas.

This is what I hear 100% of the time from friends/colleagues/cousins/family members until I actually show them the full 1080p.

I can tell that you my friend, have never witnessed the true 1080p experience.

As for me for the past 4 years I've used a 720p(native)/1080i hdtv from samsung's to sharp (all higher models) and watched 720p native movies and to this day none compares to the 1080p movies watched on the sony bravia xbr series or any other brand that displays full 1080p from samsung, sharp etc.

I also own a sharp aquos 32" hdtv at 720p(native) and watching 720p(native) hddvd movies looks great but compared to the 1080p on a 52" makes the sharp aquos look just slightly better than a dvd.
 
i said 2 years ago because you're saying that more than 10% of tvs are 1080p now.

the truth is that people don't buy a new living room tv every 3-4 years, even. unfortunately, a LOT of people bought crappy RP big-screen TVs over the last 5 years because they were cheaper than smaller plasmas.

I'm sorry I still dont buy it, just because you say so doesnt mean it is, I still need to see proof from a professionals/electrical engineer's stand point on this issue to proove this.

go to the avs forums and look around. you'll learn a lot. I'm not going to do your learning for you.
it will make you a smarter consumer. i have no vested interest in doing that for you. if you don't believe me, then fine. no skin off my back. tis true though. here's a quick way to find out what you want. Go register at the avs forum and to a search for "no 1080p input" and read a few threads from 2005-early 2007 to get the scoop.

Of course the cheaper 1080p wont look as good as the 1080p double its price, there are better chips/boards and panels that utilize to make the all better quality of the display. Same goes for computer monitors as well with s-ips screens as s-pva and we pay the top dollars for the best. But I do believe the cheaper hdtv's *today* does give you the full 1080p that its promised (if you compare the same hdtv *model/make* of only 720p as to a 1080p you WILL see a big difference whether its 37" or 42".
there is not a single TV in Wal Mart right now that looks as nice as the current pioneer 50" 720p plasma. Not one. No matter what their specs claim to be, they could say 2160p, but a really good 720p will look a LOT better. A not-so-new 20" apple cinema display looks a lot better than the most recent generic-brand 24" display, even though it has a lower resolution and a slower response time, and even a slower claimed contrast ratio...but as you said...higher quality costs more.

Most people have a big, giant, cheap TV that doesn't do justice to 480p, much less a true HD resolution. You're just making my point for me!


I've seen a 1080p sony bravia 37" play a 720p movie then in the same movie switched to a 1080p and the difference was HUGE

not from 10' away, it wasn't.
 
i said 2 years ago because you're saying that more than 10% of tvs are 1080p now.

the truth is that people don't buy a new living room tv every 3-4 years, even. unfortunately, a LOT of people bought crappy RP big-screen TVs over the last 5 years because they were cheaper than smaller plasmas.

True, even my parents have a 56" mitsubishi tv from 10 years ago still working just fine.


go to the avs forums and look around. you'll learn a lot. I'm not going to do your learning for you.
it will make you a smarter consumer. i have no vested interest in doing that for you. if you don't believe me, then fine. no skin off my back. tis true though. here's a quick way to find out what you want. Go register at the avs forum and to a search for "no 1080p input" and read a few threads from 2005-early 2007 to get the scoop.
I've been a regular on the avs forums since 2001, and I've never heard of this fake 1080p, well actually I have but the rest of us avs forumers call those people who believe that the theorists.


there is not a single TV in Wal Mart right now that looks as nice as the current pioneer 50" 720p plasma. Not one. No matter what their specs claim to be, they could say 2160p, but a really good 720p will look a LOT better. A not-so-new 20" apple cinema display looks a lot better than the most recent generic-brand 24" display, even though it has a lower resolution and a slower response time, and even a slower claimed contrast ratio...but as you said...higher quality costs more.
Well I'm not talking about plasma I'm talking about the same bravia series with the lcd(preferred to plasma) pretty much same specs as my 52" that are 1080p native yet playing 720p native compared to a 1080p native movie, the 1080p native movie looks far superior.
 
not from 10' away, it wasn't.

Most people with that small of an hdtv dont watch that far away anyways, I watch 7-8 ft from a 52" and most people as my friends and such watch closer on a smaller hdtv and the overall quality and movement as well looks just that much better on the 1080p.
 
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