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I really like this thread. Fantastic read. Gotta add my two cents. I am a big blu-ray fan. In fact I'm pretty certain that blu-ray will be the final physical format for movies we will see until the medium itself changes one day. The reason I say this is for the simple reason that historically, we only get new formats for digital mediums for one reason, necessity for change. Blu-ray is in, because we can now fit movies in their maximum sound and visual quality on one single disc. In the future, there's really no where to go. We have already pretty much reached maximum quality. It was obvious VHS wouldn't last forever, nor was DVD ever going to. But just like CD did for music lovers, blu-ray has provided a standard of quality that really doesn't need to be surpassed.

Over the coming years, when we can dl 1080p films from iTunes, I think we will see the market split pretty cleanly between those who prefer to buy physical format movies on blu-ray, and those who like to download. One way won't be better than the other. There will always be luddites and people who prefer to own physical versions of things, just as there will always be minimalists who prefer to have everything on a hard drive. But the issue isn't whether physical is better than digital or vice versa, in fact, I believe in the end they will be as good as each other.

Obviously for all intents and purposes, buying a blu-ray movie is now the better option for the average consumer. It's often the same price as a digital download, but better quality visuals and audio, extra features and closed captioning. So yes, from my point of view, Apple are are pissing off customers for not jumping on the blu-ray bandwagon. It would be a piece of cake for them to add blu-ray tech to their computers. What I'm trying to actually understand though, is their motive for not doing it.

As far as I can see, Apple are really pushing the whole downloading movies through iTunes as the way of the future. They're doing this because they can earn money, a lot of money. They understand that they can earn this money both short and long term. But adding blu-ray to their computers will only earn them money long term. I'd say Apple believe that if they put blu-ray into their machines, it will actually detract from their overall movie downloads on iTunes at the moment, because it will be a piece of cake to go to video stores, rent blu-rays, and rip them to computers. Or doing the same thing from borrowing friends blu-ray discs. Only a select few people download 1080p quality films from torrent sites, the file sizes are just too big. So yeah, I guess Apple are clever for the moment, they are maximising on their profits from iTunes movie downloads in the short term. But I believe eventually, they will need to add blu-ray drives to their machines in order to cash in on those customers who just simply prefer to own physical copies of films. The other change they will need to make will be an overhaul of iTunes movie section. Customers will want special features and closed captioning with their 1080p downloads in the future.

Apple have a hard road ahead of them for the coming years, especially when having to compete with blu-ray for selling films. But they have one big ass advantage which will come into play in a couple of years. Apple TV. Eventually when it becomes viable to download and store blu-ray quality films from iTunes onto Apple TV and other Apple devices, this will be when blu-ray and digital download will balance out into the equilibrium it will remain at. Until then...Apple are annoying customers and film lovers...but for good long term reasons I think...
 
Has anyone noticed how in the "About iTunes" in iTunes 9 it shows copyrights for blue-ray?

What's that all about? >.>
 
Has anyone noticed how in the "About iTunes" in iTunes 9 it shows copyrights for blue-ray?

What's that all about? >.>

I think it has more to do with the Gracenote descriptions than anything involving iTunes. :)
 
Now that console Blu-ray players are dirt-cheap, I do think that Apple will start offering BD-RE drive support on the Mac Pro and higher-end iMac models within the next six months. The Mac hardware right now is actually ready for Blu-ray, including full HDCP support and the fact it won't take much to upgrade iMovie and Final Cut Studio to make them capable of mastering Blu-ray discs.
 
If I don't see Blu-ray in the i7 and i5 MacBook Pros. I'm not buying :mad:

Haha J/K. :D

Now that console Blu-ray players are dirt-cheap, I do think that Apple will start offering BD-RE drive support on the Mac Pro and higher-end iMac models within the next six months. The Mac hardware right now is actually ready for Blu-ray, including full HDCP support and the fact it won't take much to upgrade iMovie and Final Cut Studio to make them capable of mastering Blu-ray discs.

if you think about it.. if apple implements BD it is going to be a lose-lose situation.

1. allowing BR movie playback: apple has HD movies on their apple store. if they allow BR playback, then people will most likely opt for the hardcopy version - i know alot of people who prefer this method.

2. backups, other things: macs can already burn BR discs as we know, for files only. 50GB is nowhere near enough to backup a whole computer, but some still might use it. this may render TC or the TM+extHDD useless for some users, meaning apple loses profits etc.

3. People buy a Windows 7 system with BD (Blu-ray Disc) instead of an Apple or Itunes.

the only upside i can see to this is for the video production arena, e.g. FCP + DVD Studio etc.
 
the only upside i can see to this is for the video production arena, e.g. FCP + DVD Studio etc.
Only in a twisted world of apple fanboyism can one self-delude oneself that a lack of certain feature is a positive thing.
 
How about morphing the AppleTV to a DVD/Blu-ray player but still with iTunes support and added DVR features.

That would kick a$$.
 
Apple would be wise to get Blu-Ray support in for now. Downloading 1080p movies would be viable if:

* fiber-optic connection with multi-gigabit D/L speeds such that you could d/l a 50GB 1080p movie in a few minutes

* cheap multi-terabyte drives such that you could easily fit dozens to a 100 HD movies

Sadly fiber optic providers are only offering up to 50mbps DL speed which isn't even an order of magnitude above coaxial providers. Also 4TB and above drivers are WAY too expensive as of now.
 
fiber-optic connection with multi-gigabit D/L speeds such that you could d/l a 50GB 1080p movie in a few minutes

There are no 50 gb movies. The largest I've ever seen comes in about 35 gb, and that had 4 HD audio tracks. If you make a 2 hour 1080p movie at about 14 mbps and with AC3 Dolby Digital 5.1, it can come in around 12 gb and not have any discernible pixelation. This is easily downloadable with even moderate speed connections. It's not about quality, it's about the iTunes Store and the Apple TV (only 720p).
 
If I don't see Blu-ray in the i7 and i5 MacBook Pros. I'm not buying :mad:

I've actually decided on a date, 17 April 2010. That will mark five years since Apple put out this press release stating that:

"Apple is committed to ... Blu-ray Disc"

After that date, if Apple hasn't added Blu-ray, then I'm not buying anything from Apple until it's been added. It's one thing to sit on the fence, but it's quite another to "commit" to a format and still not have playback support five years later.
 
Apple will get BD-RE drive support on the iMac and Mac Pro for one reason: simplified licensing for Blu-ray technology, which has been in place since July 2009. That simplified licensing explains why Blu-ray console players have dropped well under US$200 in price for full Profile 2.0-compliant players.
 
If you make a 2 hour 1080p movie at about 14 mbps and with AC3 Dolby Digital 5.1, it can come in around 12 gb

So, if you compress the heck out of it, and have a super fast connection - you can download a mediocre quality version without the extras, right?

(You mean 14 Mbps and 12 GB, right?)
 
So, if you compress the heck out of it, and have a super fast connection - you can download a mediocre quality version without the extras, right?

Sure, if you compress it (low bit rate). But there's no point in doing so if you have moderate speed internet access. You won't get it streaming, but you could download such a movie in 3 or 4 hours.

(You mean 14 Mbps and 12 GB, right?)

Of course.
 
I could easily envision a scenario where you set 2-3 1080p movies to d/l at night, and then they're all done by morning. That's not really a problem, we have to get over our instant-gratification culture where *I NEED IT NOW*.
 
Sure, if you compress it (low bit rate). But there's no point in doing so if you have moderate speed internet access. You won't get it streaming, but you could download such a movie in 3 or 4 hours.



Of course.


As soon as any meaningful amount of people start doing it, internet providers will choke up and will have to start charging per GB.
 
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