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Blu-ray Support in Mac OS X 10.5.6?

nanofrog said:
I'm assuming they'd go with DSL rather than DOCSIS, but it's not actually stated in the information I've located.

Most over 10Mb/s? :eek: Sweet! :) Now I'm jealous. :( Oh... wait. That's cable... :eek: Nevermind. :D :p
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Sorry, I didn't phrase that post very well. The cable network is indeed shared, however most users are on DSL, not cable. The majority of exchanges have ADSL2+ and can do 10-20 Mb/s. VDSL2 is on its way in, which could double those speeds.
 
lPHONE said:
i agree.
the success or failure of Blu-Ray sales is irrelevant to the fact that all disks are are prone to scratch. the media format is a failure.

mac users aren't really the sharpest tools in the shed. they equate high sales numbers with success. i equate high failure rates as just that: high failure. of course your going to buy more. they keep breaking.
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I didn't know the iPod or the iPhone has such a HUGH failure rate as you seem to be implying... oh wait, you are just a troll.

If Bluray is a failure.... then what is HD-DVD? Are you also suggesting that any downloadable media can get even close to the sound and video quality of a BluRay Movie??? haha, wow.
 
Nermal said:
Sorry, I didn't phrase that post very well. The cable network is indeed shared, however most users are on DSL, not cable. The majority of exchanges have ADSL2+ and can do 10-20 Mb/s. VDSL2 is on its way in, which could double those speeds.
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IF Chorus unlock those exchanges. I'm waiting for my flat in Hamilton to be in the "Purple" Zone. :D

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I see you're in the one place in New Zealand the tourists cant pronounce. >.< Its so funny to watch them try!
 
MorphingDragon said:
IF Chorus unlock those exchanges. I'm waiting for my flat in Hamilton to be in the "Purple" Zone. :D
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I'm still on ADSL1, but I believe that the majority of exchanges are now 2+ enabled. My cabinet was supposed to get it in September but it got delayed and there's currently no ETA :(

MorphingDragon said:
I see you're in the one place in New Zealand the tourists cant pronounce. >.< Its so funny to watch them try!
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One of my American friends calls it whack-a-tain :p
 
Nermal said:
I'm still on ADSL1, but I believe that the majority of exchanges are now 2+ enabled. My cabinet was supposed to get it in September but it got delayed and there's currently no ETA :(
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So my parents home are still on DSL, and there no plans to unlock the exchanges out here. Even though Clarks Beach is just about an entire town and Waiau Pa is filled with too many rich people. All it needs is a bank.
 
cumanzor said:
I didn't know the iPod or the iPhone has such a HUGH failure rate as you seem to be implying... oh wait, you are just a troll.

If Bluray is a failure.... then what is HD-DVD? Are you also suggesting that any downloadable media can get even close to the sound and video quality of a BluRay Movie??? haha, wow.
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LOL uh yeah. iTunes encodes movies in .H264 for it's HD section.
 
MorphingDragon said:
Thats why CDs are still around, because downloads have taken them down for the count.

****... seriously!
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Uh, that point has no relevancy to what this is about. At the end of the day, you are going to have a disc. If you like movies, you will have lots of discs. iTunes and the Zune Network want you to have as many movies as you want, in digital format. No getting up to put the movie in, no going to the rental store...can your bigot self understand this concept? Why do you think Apple made the :apple:TV ?
 
CapturedDarknes said:
can your bigot self understand this concept?
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No need for insults. What, you cant come up with a witty or sensible reply using rather conspicuous words?

If you havent noticed, there are about 3 simultaneous themes around the same topic. OMG, Downloads are going to kill Blu-Ray!!!111@!
My Internet sucks too much to be possible and Donwload Quality Sucks.
 
AidenShaw said:
Yes, and most BD movies are recorded in H.264 or VC-1 as well.

And, by the way, the *audio* bitrate on a BD disc is up to twice the *total* bitrate on Itunes "HD" movies.

Low bitrate 720p Itunes "HD" is not even close to BD for quality, so what is your point?

Don't believe the low bit-rate 'HD' lie
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The same reason why I hate Downloaded Music. And YES I can tell the difference.
 
Nermal said:
Sorry, I didn't phrase that post very well. The cable network is indeed shared, however most users are on DSL, not cable. The majority of exchanges have ADSL2+ and can do 10-20 Mb/s. VDSL2 is on its way in, which could double those speeds.
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Ah. I understood the backbone mentioned to be DOCSIS based, not DSL.

VDSL2 conjures an image of Homer Simpson saying "Mmmm.... Bacon." with the requisite drool... :D :p

CapturedDarknes said:
You are one of the smartest people on this forum! :D
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Eventually, they'll get their way. But not until the average consumer can have access to the necessary ISP bandwidth, which means it has to be cheap enough for most users to subscribe to that much band.
 
AidenShaw said:
Yes, and most BD movies are recorded in H.264 or VC-1 as well.

And, by the way, the *audio* bitrate on a BD disc is up to twice the *total* bitrate on Itunes "HD" movies.

Low bitrate 720p Itunes "HD" is not even close to BD for quality, so what is your point?

Don't believe the low bit-rate 'HD' lie
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That s true for the video as well BD is around 20 MBit/s and iTunes HD around 11 MBit/s. Of course one can see the difference.
 
CmdrLaForge said:
That s true for the video as well BD is around 20 MBit/s and iTunes HD around 11 MBit/s. Of course one can see the difference.
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According to many reports (like this one) Itunes HD is around 4 Mbps for audio+video. Anyone with an HD download could calculate the average bitrate easily by dividing filesize by movie duration.

BD is 40Mbps for video, plus another 8Mbps for audio.

By the way, I just stumbled across this:

Blu-ray Beats Hi-def iTunes in Blind Test

A whopping 92% of the participants in a blind test recently held by the CEDIA association picked Blu-ray over a hidef iTunes movie download.

Twenty-five participants were asked to look at two identical 40-inch LCD displays showing the movie 'Twilight', one from an iTunes 720p download and the other from 1080p Blu-ray. Participants didn't know which display was Blu-ray.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2698
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AidenShaw said:
According to many reports (like this one) Itunes HD is around 4 Mbps for audio+video. Anyone with an HD download could calculate the average bitrate easily by dividing filesize by movie duration.

BD is 40Mbps for video, plus another 8Mbps for audio.

By the way, I just stumbled across this:
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There's a notable difference between 720p and 1080p.

I'd like to see a study of compressed 1080p vs. uncompressed 1080p from an independent source though (out of curiosity), as compression will be employed when 1080p streams finally arrive.
 
nanofrog said:
There's a notable difference between 720p and 1080p.

I'd like to see a study of compressed 1080p vs. uncompressed 1080p from an independent source though (out of curiosity), as compression will be employed when 1080p streams finally arrive.
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There are no uncompressed 1080p streams (outside of the HDMI cable from your graphics card to the big screen) - uncompressed 24-bit RGB 1080p would be 3 Gbps. (2.07 Mpixels per frame * 24 bits/pixel * 60 frames/sec)

Just like CDs are called "lossless", there's only some threshold where few people can notice the "loss".

So the question really is, will some download service give us 1080p content at significantly less than 48 Mbps, and how will it compare to a "reference" BD source.
 
AidenShaw said:
There are no uncompressed 1080p streams (outside of the HDMI cable from your graphics card to the big screen) - uncompressed 24-bit RGB 1080p would be 3 Gbps. (2.07 Mpixels per frame * 24 bits/pixel * 60 frames/sec)

Just like CDs are called "lossless", there's only some threshold where few people can notice the "loss".

So the question really is, will some download service give us 1080p content at significantly less than 48 Mbps, and how will it compare to a "reference" BD source.
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As things exist now, I see uncompressed = BR off a disk, but if that were sent across a network that would be a more accurate test, as it can take an actual network into consideration as well.

ISP service is woefully lacking, and there's no way around it. No current compression stream can reduce the band requirements to that extent, and if it happens, viewers will see a difference compared to a BR disk.

Simply put, the infrastructure needs upgrading to allow for adequate bandwidth before 1080p streams will be viable. Until then, BR has a market.
 
nanofrog said:
As things exist now, I see uncompressed = BR off a disk...

Until then, BR has a market.
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Yes, BD (it's "BD", not "BR") will be the reference - even though it's highly compressed very few people can see the compression artifacts.

And yes, BD has a huge market until true 100 Mbps connections to the home are common. And, by "true 100 Mbps" I mean sufficient bandwidth so that every home in a neighborhood can watch a couple of 1080p streams simultaneously. Until the ISPs can guarantee 50 to 100 Mbps, physical media will have a market.
 
that's it!

okay, say I want to get a movie, in the best possible format available because I have a quite decent TV. so I buy a bluray disc. i go away, I wouldn't mind taking this movie with me on my MB so i can continue watching it.. oh, hang on..

you see where the problem is, here?
 
tmofee said:
that's it!

okay, say I want to get a movie, in the best possible format available because I have a quite decent TV. so I buy a bluray disc. i go away, I wouldn't mind taking this movie with me on my MB so i can continue watching it.. oh, hang on..

you see where the problem is, here?
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Its your fault for watching a movie in a rush. ;)
 
tmofee said:
that's it!

okay, say I want to get a movie, in the best possible format available because I have a quite decent TV. so I buy a bluray disc. i go away, I wouldn't mind taking this movie with me on my MB so i can continue watching it.. oh, hang on..

you see where the problem is, here?
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Simple. Buy a PC with a blu-ray burner. Install AnyDVD HD. Rip to hard drive. TSMuxer. Handbrake. Problem solved ;)
 
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