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I hope I didn't screw up too badly making everything in my house home kit compatible this year. If I have to buy new bulbs, locks, thermostat, smoke detectors, AppleTV, Blinds, Ceiling fans, light switches and CCTV a year from now, that's gonna be expensive.

Expecting Apple to stick with any technology is foolish. I am a long time Apple fanboy (until recently) having had fully automated homes for 20 years run by Macs. I would never touch or get locked into Home Kit. Apple can and will drop technology without any consideration to customers or the marketplace.

Apple has turned into a company that just chases the money. They will try and sell anything and everything, drop it just as quick, and they have no core DNA. They have great engineers, if the engineers are given time to produce great products. IMO Apple believes the marketing schedule is more important than quality, integrity, performance, and satisfaction. Today Apple's strategy is to produce average product, then spin up the marketing hype, and live off of the quality and integrity image built by Jobs. Buyer beware.
 
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Apple will add this to their products in 2025....
You're too optimistic about Apple innnovations and implementations
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Expecting Apple to stick with any technology is foolish. I am a long time Apple fanboy (until recently) having had fully automated homes for 20 years run by Macs. I would never touch or get locked into Home Kit. Apple can and will drop technology without any consideration to customers or the marketplace.

Apple has turned into a company that just chases the money. They will try and sell anything and everything, drop it just as quick, and they have no core DNA. They have great engineers, if the engineers are given time to produce great products. IMO Apple believes the marketing schedule is more important than quality, integrity, performance, and satisfaction. Today Apple's strategy is to produce average product, then spin up the marketing hype, and live off of the quality and integrity image built by Jobs. Buyer beware.
I'm so sad I read this. Because it's the truth. Their new mantra is money first and exactly this focus (yeah, they do have one) will bite them. They're ruining their ecosystem by abandoning routers and screens. Pushing customers to other brands. Those same loyal customers will start noticing other brands have good and even better products for half the price. The Apple of today has lost its soul and focus. It's money first and I hope they won't succeed and the market will force them to innovate again and rethink their focus.
 
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Some nice improvements but will this finally make Bluetooth a really solid, stable and reliable connection method?

I've always found it a bit flakey. It usually works fine but sometimes it just doesn't. Really hope the Airpods are coming soon.
 
Great improvement. Add this to the nMBP and watch all those who are waiting for the real nMBP jump. Fix the graphics, fix the battery, (32 gig ram?) and add bluetooth 5 and all the skeptics will jump onboard.

And hopefully switch from AMD to Nvidia. Such a dumb move to put AMD in the MBP
 
Realllly? you realize 2011 was when Steve Jobs was there? Even knowing Apple still hasn't adopted basic things like NFC/Wireless charging on the iPhone, or finally brought "water resistant" iphone in 2016 when the Galaxy S5 had it years ago? Or take a look at the Mac lineup, no 32 GB Ram, less batter life, year old processors that MBP owners had to wait for (while Kaby lake will be rolling out over the next couple of months) while charging a ridiculous amount because of some gimmicky "touchbar" when there's a bunch of laptops these days that have touch screens.

Fact is, the current Apple under Tim Cook, cares about one thing, and that's their wallet, they care more about margins than actually giving us a good product, if they can charge $1,000 for an iPhone and put a cheaper bluetooth chipset in there, they will... and claim things like "battery life" or that "apple users don't want that", or "courage".

I'm 99.99999% sure that Apple won't have bluetooth 5 in the next iPhone, but rather wait to upgrade it for the "s" version the following year at the EARLIEST... might even wait longer.

You seem to be extremely ignorant regarding several matters you touched on...

First, Apple using USI Semiconductor's (a partner Apple works closely with on Bluetooth development) Bluetooth 5.0 module will be at no additional cost, and no doubt will cost less due to economies in USI taking advantage of reduced semiconductor node geometries.

Second, Bluetooth is a strategic technology key to the success of Apple devices and how they interact with each other, such as iPhone, Watch, iPad, wireless headphones, mice, keyboards, trackpads, etc. That's why Apple is a promoter member of the Bluetooth Special Interest Group. And thus Apple is a major driver in defining Bluetooth specifications for the industry. It is in Apple's self-interest to use the latest Bluetooth technology they had an active role in specifying and developing, as quickly a possible - before other competitors. Indeed, the iPhone 6 released in 2014 under Tim Cook, supported Bluetooth 4.2, several months before the specification was generally available. Using the latest Bluetooth technology is key to Apple's product development plans. That's why the iPhone 4s, also released under Tim Cook employed Bluetooth 4.0, a newly developed specification.

Jobs was "there," gravely ill, briefly in early 2011 after returning from a medical leave 1 1/2 years earlier in 2009 for a liver transplant, with Cook in charge. With Jobs terminally ill, Tim Cook officially became CEO, hand-picked by Jobs a month or so before he died.

The subject of this post is about Bluetooth 5. Trying to obfuscate Apple's role in developing and implementing Bluetooth with other things you're not happy about is telling and makes zero sense.

Your nonsense about not bringing BT 5 in upcoming devices due to margins and Apple being cheap is laughable as there will be zero adverse margin impact as I pointed out above. And, as I said above, it's in Apple's self-interest to quickly deploy the technology they had a major hand in specifying and developing.

If deploying advanced technologies in Apple products were about margins and being cheap, Apple would hold back development on their Ax processors (development which is indeed very costly) that routinely trounce all smartphone competitors. Instead, Apple continues to update their Ax processors every year with amazing increases in performance, year after year.

I could go on and on, but I'll speak to other technologies Apple recently introduced in products that are at odds with reducing margins in my next post.
 
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The iPhone was the very first device with Bluetooth 4...
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BT5 has no bandwidth improvements, and no audio improvements. Those will come later...so no, do your research before actin like you know better.
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This is actual speed, as in response time, not bandwidth

This is simply not true. By "response time" I assume you mean latency, which, huh? There will be no effects on latency, and I'm not even sure what that would be. Any real latency is in the application, not the specification.

And this specs a 2 Mbps Low Energy PHY, which is, uh, twice the bandwidth of the 1 Mbps in 4.0-4.2. Which, as you said, will not effect audio in any way, except maybe allowing proprietary audio over LE, but that's a different story.
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I assume they will bring out a LE iteration in the near future?

It's a little confusing, but this *is* an LE iteration. You see a lot of comments about audio improvements, of which there are none.
 
Fact is, the current Apple under Tim Cook, cares about one thing, and that's their wallet, they care more about margins than actually giving us a good product, if they can charge $1,000 for an iPhone and put a cheaper bluetooth chipset in there, they will... and claim things like "battery life" or that "apple users don't want that", or "courage".

I would argue that the current Apple cares about both. Apple is still in the sales of hardware after all, and the chief way they get people to buy their products is to ensure those products continue to offer a great user experience.

While it is possible that Apple might use slightly cheaper components to save on costs, they will still ensure that the end experience isn't compromised.

That's why we get products like the Apple Pencil. Expensive, but after having used one, no other stylus can compare.
 
I have looked also and not found anything.
I hate to buy one and in 2 years they have aftermarket wireless ones. This is the only issue I have, because I hate charging my phone with my vehicle. I have read it's not the best thing for the battery, and I hate wires anyways.
 
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