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So the new excuse is the battery? then i highly doubt Apple will adopt BT5 any time soon since there are no improvement to battery life in BT5...

My reply was regarding Apple using old tech, which clearly is not BT related - as they're using the latest BT specs. Improvements to BT in the new 5th gen, will hopefully continue with the low power use aspect, as that's one of the issues most people have with BT headsets, especially smaller in-ear units where battery size is miniaturized.
 
Will this be enough to take multi-cam home systems off our WiFi networks? (Nestcam, PiperNV, Netgear Arlo)

I've been looking at a 4-6 camera setup, but have been discouraged by sales reps to not even purchase a single camera if my Internet speeds are not FIOS level, or if I have many things connected. I fit both descriptions, with 6.0 AT&T DSL being the best in my rural area, and I have house full of Apple TV's, and mobile devices. The BestBuy rep in the camera section said they see a lot of returns because of the picture quality once people get smart cams home in real world settings.

If a base unit that controlled the cameras were 5.0 BT controlled, is the 2MB bandwidth enough to finally move these 1080P cams from WiFi to BT inside? If you had 6 cams, is that 2MB stream per cam to a conceptual BT base, or would the base divide the 2MB pipeline up between each cam like WiFi?

I'm not seeing the purpose here. Your bottleneck isn't wi-fi but the connection to the outside world. Do those devices send video outside off-site? If so, then you're still limited by your DSL to reach their servers. If not, well, your internal network should still be way faster when your camera is talking to a base station in the house. All the stuff in your house should be talking to the base station at hundreds of mbps if the signal quality is sufficient.

In other words, no, Bluetooth isn't going to do video better than Wifi, and the actual Wifi connection probably isn't your issue anyway.
 
50 Mbps versus 25 Mbps may be huge for BT audio.

Yet the current BT A2DP protocol for stereo audio is limited to 512 kbps. I don't fully understand why it can't use more of the 25 Mbps bandwidth since CD audio only requries about 1.4 Mbps. Maybe there are serious range and error correction issues? If so then BT 5 may be the holy grail of wireless audio.

Apple's decision to axe the headphone jack makes more sense now, except why not wait for BT 5 arrive? Will the Airpods be updated to a BT 5 protocol or does Apple wait 2-3 years while their competitors leapfrog them?
 
Bluetooth is how Apple Watch and iPhone communicate. This might actually make a Watch upgrade next year worthwhile.
 
Honestly range or speed have never been issues for me with any of my bluetooth devices.
 
So, the 'simpler naming convention' also prevents the customer from knowing the version installed on a prospective device to be purchased. Buyer beware.

LRB
 
Really? Even knowing Apple was first to adopt Bluetooth 4 in 2011 with the iPhone 4s when the standard was released, and then again with Bluetooth 4.2 in the iPhone 6 in 2014?

And even knowing that Apple is one of seven promoter members of the Bluetooth SIG, the group that influences and defines Bluetooth standards and direction?

Or maybe the 2023 date you tossed out was just a piece of immature snark?
Realllly? you realize 2011 was when Steve Jobs was there? Even knowing Apple still hasn't adopted basic things like NFC/Wireless charging on the iPhone, or finally brought "water resistant" iphone in 2016 when the Galaxy S5 had it years ago? Or take a look at the Mac lineup, no 32 GB Ram, less batter life, year old processors that MBP owners had to wait for (while Kaby lake will be rolling out over the next couple of months) while charging a ridiculous amount because of some gimmicky "touchbar" when there's a bunch of laptops these days that have touch screens.

Fact is, the current Apple under Tim Cook, cares about one thing, and that's their wallet, they care more about margins than actually giving us a good product, if they can charge $1,000 for an iPhone and put a cheaper bluetooth chipset in there, they will... and claim things like "battery life" or that "apple users don't want that", or "courage".

I'm 99.99999% sure that Apple won't have bluetooth 5 in the next iPhone, but rather wait to upgrade it for the "s" version the following year at the EARLIEST... might even wait longer.
 
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I hope I didn't screw up too badly making everything in my house home kit compatible this year. If I have to buy new bulbs, locks, thermostat, smoke detectors, AppleTV, Blinds, Ceiling fans, light switches and CCTV a year from now, that's gonna be expensive.
 
I hope I didn't screw up too badly making everything in my house home kit compatible this year. If I have to buy new bulbs, locks, thermostat, smoke detectors, AppleTV, Blinds, Ceiling fans, light switches and CCTV a year from now, that's gonna be expensive.

Well hopefully you didn't buy things that were ONLY home kit compatible... All of the devices I've purchased are compatible with home kit as well has having their own apps for android devices. What ecosystems have you bought into that are home kit only?
 
Maybe Bluetooth 5 will be on the AirPods? Not saying that they just slapped it in a week ago, Apple had insider knowledge for many months clearly. Bluetooth is backwards compatible of course so the iPhones that exist now won't fully take advantage of them yet but its not totally necessary. Nobody has said anything interesting like this about any other W1 headphone though so, maybe not. Would be interesting though.
 
Well hopefully you didn't buy things that were ONLY home kit compatible... All of the devices I've purchased are compatible with home kit as well has having their own apps for android devices. What ecosystems have you bought into that are home kit only?

i'll never use any thing but Apple's ecosystem even if the devices have compatibility with other systems. Each do have their own app but i plan on interacting with the entire home via the Home app in iOS 10 via an iPad Mini 4 mounted at the entry way in the wall and via Siri on our iPads, iPhones & Macs.

Devices I have:
Phillips Hue
Schlage Connect
Ecobee
Elgato Eve
Canary
Hunter Fans
Lutron Wall outlets
can't remember the auto blinds I bought.

I just hope to get at least 5 years out of everything purchased before replacing it all with whatever is new.
 
i'll never use any thing but Apple's ecosystem even if the devices have compatibility with other systems. Each do have their own app but i plan on interacting with the entire home via the Home app in iOS 10 via an iPad Mini 4 mounted at the entry way in the wall and via Siri on our iPads, iPhones & Macs.

Devices I have:
...

I just hope to get at least 5 years out of everything purchased before replacing it all with whatever is new.

I guess I'm just confused by what you're worried about - why would current devices lose home kit compatibility because of bluetooth 5?
 
I guess I'm just confused by what you're worried about - why would current devices lose home kit compatibility because of bluetooth 5?

My concern is around BT 4. What if it doesn't have the range I need and I'm stuck with a system that only partially works in some of the house and BT 5's extended range was what I should have waited for from the beginning. Maybe I invested in HomeKit too early?
 
My main problem with bluetooth is neither range nor speed, but rather the connection capability. Too many d@mn times when I'm turning on my Bose Soundlink and switch on bluetooth, it takes a minute and then it decides "mobile device cannot be found". Same thing often happened to my bluetooth headphones, so I bought a pair of great headphones with a cable, which still is the best way to listen to music.. Sadly.
 
With the debut of Bluetooth 5, SIG's Bluetooth naming convention will drop all references to version and point number going forward, simplifying marketing.

Simplifying marketing? If you have a phone with a BT 4.2 radio, is it confusing to know if a device is compatible if it requires BT 3.0? How about the same scenario, but your phone has a 'Bobo' class BT radio, and the device in question requires a 'Harambe-class or newer' radio for compatibility? Or maybe they just say it's "Bluetooth!" and figure if the customer buys it and it doesn't work, they can just return it. Because we need to simplify the marketing.
 
Ives has always said aluminium with the the correct pronunciation, don't know people think he says it wrong

Americans and British spell and pronounce it differently. Just having a little fun here.
 
That's funny. When the headphone jack was removed, the Apple apologists all claimed that BT headphones were now awesome despite evidence to the contrary.

Most people don't care about greater Bluetooth range. They want greater reliability and frankly in 2016 nearing 2017 expect BT headphones to never drop out.

I don't care for range either. I do find the charing annoying. I have a Bose soundsport, which have good sound. They are definitely better than my crappy weird. Either way, I like a wireless world, but wireless charing would be amazing.

The only problem I have is pairing with other devices. It's a pain, so I wish someone came out with a solution that wasn't proprietary.
 
Bluetooth never "really" worked right.. The issues it had from day 1 on still persist..

This would probably be the ONLY time I wish, Apple would have come up with something on their own, that worked better... And made it an industry standard..
 
The improved range would be cool, but I can't imagine how doubling the speed and quadrupling the range could be a good thing for battery life.

The good news is that the controller will automatically cut the range and speed back without your knowledge so that the battery does not drain so fast. After all, if the bluetooth signal does not work as well as you expect, then we and Apple all know it has to be the environment, not the Apple device.
 
I said it before, Apple sits on the BT SIG board, and is integral in the development of the standards. It's likely that Apple took what it needed from those standards and implemented them early in the W1, since the W1 will likely have to be compliant with BT 5 in order for the brand new AirPods to retain their value for more than a few months. Apple may also have implemented some of their proposals to try and force the change as part of future standards.
 
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