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Bluetooth Device in 2 Weeks
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Re: Hmmm
let's be either surprised or disappointed.
Originally posted by Stike
Ok, to sum up all possibilities and rumors here, it can be said that it is likely a electronic device from Apple and it should be smaller and portable and it will have Bluetooth integrated.
Were no rumors floating around about a tablet style device? PDA?
But it could fit. Hm, lets be surprised!
let's be either surprised or disappointed.
Palms are sooo dead. Handspring had sort of the right idea, combine a phone with a PDA, but they started with the pda and added the phone. The T68i looks like it is done right, add a PDA to a phone, though I would not want to input anything into one. So, question... Does anyone know if you can send your vcard with your Ti68 via bluetooth or irda? That would certainally be cool.
But yeah, Palm needs to come out with something super-revolutionary. If I am going to buy a new palm, it would have to be as thin as a credit card, maybe two credit cards. It would need bluetooth, and it would need a new palm os.
Bluetooth Keyboard or Mouse...
This is something that has bothered me for a while.
How bluetooth works.
Bluetooth devices don't just 'see' and 'use' each other automaticly. They must be 'paired' (see below). The reason for this is with the range of BT the computer needs to know if it's allowed to use/listen to a specific BT device.
Why? Well imagine a computer room with 4 computers with BT keyboards all in a 10 foot by 10 foot space. It would be havoc if each computer 'saw/heard' each keyboard. How would it know what keyboard was 'talking' to it?
BT Device #1 (a computer) will 'see' BT Device #2 (say a phone) but in order for device #1 to USE device #2 they must 'pair'. With a phone this usually would also require a passcode of some type (that needs to be entered on both devices) but with a printer I don't think it does and the CPU alone can do the pairing.
To pair two BT devices you must go to the CPU (using the mouse and keyboard) and make the connection.
Now how would you do that with a BT keyboard and mouse? I could 'kinda' see it work with a mouse but even then it wouldn't be easy.
The only way I see this working is you'd have to have another keyboard/mouse also connected to the computer to allow you to do the pairing and if that's the case then I'm not sure I see the point in having BT versions as well. I guess with a laptop this would be 'okay' but for normal desktop computers I don't see how they could ever go totally wireless...
I fully admit that I'm NOT a BT genius (far from it) so if I'm missing something please let me know.
-edit-
Some might say 'well Microsoft demo'd them and is going to produce them' but you know what they are being built for? The (soon to be released) tabletPC. You see BT keyboards and mice would be totally possible with a tablet since you can use the normal input functions of the tablet (stylus) to do the pairing.
Dave
peterjhill, I am totally with you also on the T68i - the Palm concept killer; and yes, inputing on the T68 is a nightmare, but still it has indeed killed my Palm and I am so happy. Apart from the inputing problem, and in my case, it is just what I was waiting for for years and it works really great. For my needs jut the perfect combination palm/cell which was clearly the way to go (and of course more needs to be done). I wonder why it took so long, and even with the T68i, we still have a long way to go in terms of development...
Re: Airport
Oh, my. That would be an amazing product. That's the kind of rumor I like to see!
It would, however, be a bit inconvenient for those of us who already have airport cards. If this fantastic rumor turns into fact, a trade-in program would be nice to see.
Oh, my. That would be an amazing product. That's the kind of rumor I like to see!
It would, however, be a bit inconvenient for those of us who already have airport cards. If this fantastic rumor turns into fact, a trade-in program would be nice to see.
t68i
yes you can send your vcard with the t68i...
once a BT product is paired it stays paired...
apple would give each keyboard
yes you can send your vcard with the t68i...
once a BT product is paired it stays paired...
apple would give each keyboard
t68i
yes you can send your vcard with the t68i...
once a BT product is paired it stays paired...
apple would give each keyboard it's own BT I.D., and at startup the software that came with the keyboard, i.e. isync/BT update, auto searches and finds the keyboard/mouse... you then pair with it and walla!.... there you have it.
I have a t68i, and isync, and 10.2.1.... and it is awesome!!
yes you can send your vcard with the t68i...
once a BT product is paired it stays paired...
apple would give each keyboard it's own BT I.D., and at startup the software that came with the keyboard, i.e. isync/BT update, auto searches and finds the keyboard/mouse... you then pair with it and walla!.... there you have it.
I have a t68i, and isync, and 10.2.1.... and it is awesome!!
Re: Powerbook or Mouse?
You miss read the quote. "...one of the major makers of something important in your life will start making something that has Bluetooth standard" So the 'something in 2 weeks' is not important, what's 'important' is it's makers currently make. So you read it wrong as the released something in 2 weeks is not important only uses a bluetooth standard.
Someone mentioned a camera because iPhoto is set to be released in a few weeks. I hope for a powerbook.
You miss read the quote. "...one of the major makers of something important in your life will start making something that has Bluetooth standard" So the 'something in 2 weeks' is not important, what's 'important' is it's makers currently make. So you read it wrong as the released something in 2 weeks is not important only uses a bluetooth standard.
Someone mentioned a camera because iPhoto is set to be released in a few weeks. I hope for a powerbook.
Re: t68i
I'm not sure I understand...
How would you pair a BT keyboard and mouse with a computer wouldn't the keyboard and mouse already need to be paired in order use the keyboard and mouse to do the pairing in the first place? Kind like a chicken-egg syndrome.
If the BT keyboard and mouse still worked without pairing then why pair them in the first place but even if that was true then what would happen in my office where I have 7 computers in a small space. Move one mouse and seven computers all respond. The sure as heck would be a problem so yea they have to be paired and so it brings up back to the same question... How do you pair a BT keyboard and mouse with a computer if the only keyboard and mouse you have at BT to beging with?
The point I'm getting at is Apple could never move to ONLY shipping desktop computers with BT keyboards/mice. Unless they could come up with some way to ID the CLOSEST BT mouse and keyboard and auto-pair with them but I don't think BT can tell distance... Even if they I could I still see problems with something like that but it wouldn't be as bad...
Dave
I'm not sure I understand...
How would you pair a BT keyboard and mouse with a computer wouldn't the keyboard and mouse already need to be paired in order use the keyboard and mouse to do the pairing in the first place? Kind like a chicken-egg syndrome.
If the BT keyboard and mouse still worked without pairing then why pair them in the first place but even if that was true then what would happen in my office where I have 7 computers in a small space. Move one mouse and seven computers all respond. The sure as heck would be a problem so yea they have to be paired and so it brings up back to the same question... How do you pair a BT keyboard and mouse with a computer if the only keyboard and mouse you have at BT to beging with?
The point I'm getting at is Apple could never move to ONLY shipping desktop computers with BT keyboards/mice. Unless they could come up with some way to ID the CLOSEST BT mouse and keyboard and auto-pair with them but I don't think BT can tell distance... Even if they I could I still see problems with something like that but it wouldn't be as bad...
Dave
I can tell you, being a member of the switchers campaign doesn't mean jack squat when it comes to new product information
Re: Hmmm
Let's not get into this again, but just for the record.... Do you have any idea how long it would take for an iPod to transfer songs over bluetooth? Bluetooth ony transfers at 1 mbps!
From the spec sheet:
"Bluetooth devices require little power and are intended for transmit- ting small
amounts of data at almost 1 Mbps over short distances of up to 30 feet"
Firewire transfers at 400mbps... and thats why iPods are so nice to use... no clunky USB or *ahem* bluetooth transfer to SLOW THEM DOWN!
Oh well.... Personally, i'm hoping for a powerbook
Let's not get into this again, but just for the record.... Do you have any idea how long it would take for an iPod to transfer songs over bluetooth? Bluetooth ony transfers at 1 mbps!
From the spec sheet:
"Bluetooth devices require little power and are intended for transmit- ting small
amounts of data at almost 1 Mbps over short distances of up to 30 feet"
Firewire transfers at 400mbps... and thats why iPods are so nice to use... no clunky USB or *ahem* bluetooth transfer to SLOW THEM DOWN!
Oh well.... Personally, i'm hoping for a powerbook
For all of those who are wondering how to deal with a bluetooth keyboard, I would think that it would be easy. Examples:
1) replacement keyboard: You take the keyboard out of the box, put the batteries in (it will need power somehow -- which is why I kind of think bluetooth keyboards are silly), you still have your usb keyboard plugged into the computer, you do the pairing that way
2) new computer with only bluetooth keyboard: you start the computer, it realizes that there is no keyboard attached, it detects the bluetooth keyboard, it tells you to use the keyboard that you want to pair to type in a string that appears on the computer monitor. So if there are multiple bluetooth keyboards around, it would listen to all of them, and the one that typed in the magic phrase on the screen would be the one that would be paired. Pretty simple. Once there was a keyboard that was paired, it would not look for another during startup, as long as it could detect the paired keyboard. So if that keyboard breaks, you just take out the batteries and put them into your replacement keyboard
Mice could work similarly. If the computer was never paired with a mouse, and one was not plugged in, it could ask you to use the mouse to click in four squares randomly placed on the screen, or better yet, come up with a keyboard friendly list of available mice and have you choose, perhaps listing a bluetooth id next to each.
The fact is, that it is possible to set up a system to use a bluetooth mouse or keyboard, without having a usb mouse or keyboard.
Personally, I don't see the point, I don't want to replace batteries for my mice or keyboard, unless it would take a 9v battery and would last over a month.
1) replacement keyboard: You take the keyboard out of the box, put the batteries in (it will need power somehow -- which is why I kind of think bluetooth keyboards are silly), you still have your usb keyboard plugged into the computer, you do the pairing that way
2) new computer with only bluetooth keyboard: you start the computer, it realizes that there is no keyboard attached, it detects the bluetooth keyboard, it tells you to use the keyboard that you want to pair to type in a string that appears on the computer monitor. So if there are multiple bluetooth keyboards around, it would listen to all of them, and the one that typed in the magic phrase on the screen would be the one that would be paired. Pretty simple. Once there was a keyboard that was paired, it would not look for another during startup, as long as it could detect the paired keyboard. So if that keyboard breaks, you just take out the batteries and put them into your replacement keyboard
Mice could work similarly. If the computer was never paired with a mouse, and one was not plugged in, it could ask you to use the mouse to click in four squares randomly placed on the screen, or better yet, come up with a keyboard friendly list of available mice and have you choose, perhaps listing a bluetooth id next to each.
The fact is, that it is possible to set up a system to use a bluetooth mouse or keyboard, without having a usb mouse or keyboard.
Personally, I don't see the point, I don't want to replace batteries for my mice or keyboard, unless it would take a 9v battery and would last over a month.
thanks
thanks PETERJHILL...
that's essentially what i was trying to say with much fewer words.....
but i don't see this happening either... bluetooth just isn't a stable enough platform yet to make a system dependent on it.
later
thanks PETERJHILL...
that's essentially what i was trying to say with much fewer words.....
but i don't see this happening either... bluetooth just isn't a stable enough platform yet to make a system dependent on it.
later
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Just bring back the newton in a smaller case!!!! already
The tech is almost 10 years old and still 5 years ahead of what palm and company can do.
Just bring back the newton in a smaller case!!!! already
The tech is almost 10 years old and still 5 years ahead of what palm and company can do.
Believe me, I agree with you. I think that a single usb cable going to my laptop for my keyboard (so that I can put my 21" monitor in front of me and my laptop next to it) and one usb cord to my mouse is perfectly acceptable, so that i don't need to put batteries in them. I would consider a cordless mouse, but they already exist and would not require me to get a bluetooth usb dohicky to use it.
Even for cameras, I would rather use the pcmcia slot and a cd adapter or a usb adapter to transfer pictures quickly, than to use up my cameras battery to do it via bluetooth.
I think that PDA's, telephones, and GPS recievers are where bluetooth could be useful. Perhaps bluetooth speakers, but I am not sure if I want to stream audio across bluetooth, unless the speakers had a built in mp3 decoder, and I could stream mp3s to it. That might be cool for a stereo add on. My reciever (Harmon Kardon 220) has a built in mp3 decoder, and a bluetooth connection would be sweet.
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anyone know if HID Bluetooth has been given the green light?
Well MS MS seems to think so.
So mac will not be first. But AFAIK the HID hasn't been given a go, so why would apple join MS w/ half baked spec?
Yeah, maybe it's not from Apple...
Anyone seen those new commercials for that new Nokia phone that they say we'll see more "soon." Looks like an awesome phone really...like an lcd on the back maybe? Might have to get that. Anyways, just a guess...and with them mentioning "coming soon" in the commercial seemed like it fit. What u think?
Anyone seen those new commercials for that new Nokia phone that they say we'll see more "soon." Looks like an awesome phone really...like an lcd on the back maybe? Might have to get that. Anyways, just a guess...and with them mentioning "coming soon" in the commercial seemed like it fit. What u think?
The Palm may be dead, but I think a Bluetooth Palm may be all that Pogue is referring to. Think about it. What does he write about the most OTHER than Macs?