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BMW Plans to Turn CarPlay Into Subscription-Based Service Next Year
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Oh I believe there are some people who would pay this, and I really don't give a whole/half/any part of a **** about your opinions or BMW's. I also know many people with BMWs and they can afford them because they don't throw their money away in frivolous places. I wasn't comparing my nissan vehicles to BMW vehicles, but about CarPlay in general. If automakers start charging subscriptions for it, the aftermarket business will get a boost from customers looking to avoid pouring $$ down a hole.
I’m not too sure I just know my new BMW has no dipstick to check the oil and no temperature gage.Anyway to stop you from being able to work on YOUR car yourself, and to get you into the dealership where of course it is more overpriced than if you did it or even took it to your mechanic. In the near future we basically will not be able to do anything to our cars because everything will be integrated and like you said parts will have to be registered or synced to the car.
I am still waiting for an answer if it is BMW or Mercedes-Benz that you cannot change your own oil because it has to be sucked out with a machine that only the dealer has.
Yes, however, now the car companies are basically trying to destroy the aftermarket makers by including infotainment centers that you really cannot take out of the car because it is so integrated into your cars computer and several other thing. Look at my post earlier about the person with the Mazda CX-5, there is zero way to put an aftermarket radio in it because the infotainment system is heavily integrated into the CAN bus of the car. It is ridiculous, and it sucks that car companies are increasingly moving this way. I like to put an Alpine head unit in any car I have along with upgrading the speakers and putting a nice subwoofer in it. Most of the integrated infotainment center radios do not have a good enough Amp on them to help push aftermarket speakers and help with the subwoofer, which obviously gets its own amp but the better the amp on the head unit the better everything sounds.
I love BMW's and EuropeN CARS and think American cars are ****.
That said, F*&^ BMW on this decision.
Really? That is super odd, I would not like that at all. I like to check my oil in my car every once in a while just to make sure everything is good. I mean I have a newer car so I do not really have to worry about my car burning oil or anything, but still, it is always good just to check your oil. Also, no temperature gauge means you are going to have a "dummy" light which if something went wrong and your car starts to overheat, it is usually to late when that light comes on. Damage has been done to the engine or other parts.
As far as the oil goes, I think it is Mercedes that sucks the oil out and not BMW. However, if someone with a BMW that can answer if that is true or not, I would appreciate it.
I just did a search and seems it’s called oil extraction and both Mercedes and BMW can have it done, not sure if all BMWs & Mercedes models can have it done or any other vehicle brands.Really? That is super odd, I would not like that at all. I like to check my oil in my car every once in a while just to make sure everything is good. I mean I have a newer car so I do not really have to worry about my car burning oil or anything, but still, it is always good just to check your oil. Also, no temperature gauge means you are going to have a "dummy" light which if something went wrong and your car starts to overheat, it is usually to late when that light comes on. Damage has been done to the engine or other parts.
As far as the oil goes, I think it is Mercedes that sucks the oil out and not BMW. However, if someone with a BMW that can answer if that is true or not, I would appreciate it.
so instead of paying $300 as one time, they are charging $80/year?
it's a bad idea, but anyway Apple Carplay is not the reason I like BMW
it's a bad idea, but anyway Apple Carplay is not the reason I like BMW
I just looked on the Mercedes Benz website and this is ridiculous:
"In general, you should expect to service your Mercedes Benz every 10,000 miles or once per year. Mercedes Benz traditionally will alternate a minor service with a major service. The minor service historically referred to as an A-Service will include an oil service and lube and typically will cost around $250."
$250.00 for an oil change and lube?!?!?! That is ridiculous. The crush washer they use is $25.00 alone and they say you cannot reuse them, but you can at least once. I use synthetic oil in my car (came new off the lot with Mobil 1 synthetic, however, I would have used synthetic Mobil 1 anyway, along with a Mobil 1 oil filter) and I usually just buy the oil and filter and take it up to my mechanic and he does it for $5.00 for me. I have been going to him since I had my first car, and my entire family went to his place even back when his father owned it. So, obviously he knows me very well and that is why he just takes $5.00...sometimes he will not even take my money. Anyway, if I were to take my car to the dealership (would never happen) and get a synthetic oil change (with Mobil 1) it would cost around $65.00, and that is obviously with me not buying my own oil and filter and bringing it. I do not even think they would do that for anyone, and if they did they would probably charge the same.
I like Mercedes, however, with that price for an oil change, I do not think I would want to purchase one. At least not where I am in life right now. Obviously most people who can afford a Benz probably have no issue paying $250.00 for an oil change.
That’s another reason why I chose BMW the last couple vehicles over Mercedes, free oil changes. Not to mention I perfer the overall quality and looks of BMW over Mercedes and I’ve had both.I just looked on the Mercedes Benz website and this is ridiculous:
"In general, you should expect to service your Mercedes Benz every 10,000 miles or once per year. Mercedes Benz traditionally will alternate a minor service with a major service. The minor service historically referred to as an A-Service will include an oil service and lube and typically will cost around $250."
$250.00 for an oil change and lube?!?!?! That is ridiculous. The crush washer they use is $25.00 alone and they say you cannot reuse them, but you can at least once. I use synthetic oil in my car (came new off the lot with Mobil 1 synthetic, however, I would have used synthetic Mobil 1 anyway, along with a Mobil 1 oil filter) and I usually just buy the oil and filter and take it up to my mechanic and he does it for $5.00 for me. I have been going to him since I had my first car, and my entire family went to his place even back when his father owned it. So, obviously he knows me very well and that is why he just takes $5.00...sometimes he will not even take my money. Anyway, if I were to take my car to the dealership (would never happen) and get a synthetic oil change (with Mobil 1) it would cost around $65.00, and that is obviously with me not buying my own oil and filter and bringing it. I do not even think they would do that for anyone, and if they did they would probably charge the same.
I like Mercedes, however, with that price for an oil change, I do not think I would want to purchase one. At least not where I am in life right now. Obviously most people who can afford a Benz probably have no issue paying $250.00 for an oil change.
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It really depends on which model of car it is for me. My Godfather is a doctor and he had a BMW 760li and that thing was awesome. I was lucky enough that when he would go on vacation or down to NYC, he would let me take the Beamer. However, right now at this point in my life that car is simply unobtainable price wise. I believe they are well over $100,000, and of course his had ALL the bells and whistles, so probably around $120,000-140,000?
I also love the BMW 3 Series. I wish I could get a late 80's or early 90's 3 Series. I just like the old school looking ones. I also really like the new 3 Series as well. I dated, back when I had graduated high school a girl that drove a brand new 2003 X5. That was a really nice sporty SUV. Daddy bought it for her spoiled a**. It was actually one of my Godfathers business partners daughters. Her father was a doctor as well. He actually has a 2017 BMW 7 series, but I do not know exactly which model, it is still huge and nice.
As far as Mercedes Benz goes, I like the C Class and of course the S Class. My favorite, however, is the G Class...new and some of the little bit older ones that kind of look like a Hummer. Those were and are still awesome looking! I went to a highly ranked private college, and a lot of the kids came from SUPER rich families and drove BMW's, Benz's, Audi's, and A LOT of Saab's and Volvo's. The car people had the most on campus was a brand new Saab 9-3. I do not know why so many people had those cars? I know Saabs are well built but so many people had them. Anyway...
I am a GM guy, especially Buick (go ahead and laugh but they are really well made now and not an old mans car anymore - the ride and handling is amazing as well as the Quiet Cabin technology) which were my last two cars, however, right now I am driving a Korean car. I NEVER thought that would happen, but I actually like my Hyundai Elantra. I have the PZEV model, and one thing that is better than my prior Buicks is the gas mileage! It is amazing!
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I strongly disagree with BMW wanting to charge for something that should be free but European cars have always been the best, particularly German brands such as Mercedes, BMW, VW group (VW, Porsche, Audi etc). American cars are so badly made it's laughable.
I hope not (I assume you meant CarPlay). If it does become commonplace, then NOT charging such a ripoff fee would become a selling point.
I actually bought a Honda 2 years ago over a Mazda specifically because the Honda supported CarPlay (for free) and the Mazda did not. That was what tipped the scales between 2 good cars. So I can say with absolute certainty that Mazda is losing car sales over its lack of CarPlay support.
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It's ridiculous but don't forget just a few years ago (and maybe still today?) these car companies were charging $2K-$3K and in some cases even more for a navigation system option, plus you periodically had to pay a few hundred $ for updated map data. So they're hunting for things to replace that lost revenue.
And that seems to be the average comment on a forum dedicated to a company that has “getting less for more” as its credo looking at the last iterations of their product line. Look at the accessories in the Apple Store and you will see who is milking who
[doublepost=1516268415][/doublepost]Not sure what the situation is in the USA, but in Europe this subscription model has already settled in. For example, I paid a fee for RTTI (RealTime Traffic Information) repeatedly. And there a more services in their store that demand a regular fee.
Apple CarPlay is not free, car builders have to license it so it comes with a cost. As it cuts down their possibilities on upselling of the services from their own entertainment center, it seems VERY logical for me that they do not want to support it too much. Think about it: we sometimes just want to go Dutch and expect everything to be free....
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BMW plans to offer CarPlay as a subscription-based service beginning next year, rather than charge a one-time fee, reports The Verge.
The automaker will charge $80 per year for access to CarPlay starting next year, with no fee during the first year of ownership of a new BMW, according to Don Smith, technology product manager for BMW North America.
BMW currently charges a $300 upgrade fee to drivers who want CarPlay, available in its 2017 model year and newer vehicles.
Smith believes switching to a subscription-based pricing system will provide BMW owners with more flexibility. "This allows the customer to switch devices," he said, while mentioning Android as a specific example.
BMW doesn't currently support Android Auto, although Smith said Google Assistant is coming to new BMW models later in 2018.
Smith also argued that the annual fee could actually work out to be cheaper for somebody with an average length lease, as the total cost after four years after the free first year of access would be $240, cheaper than the one-time $300 charge.
Of course, those who don't trade in their BMW once every four years can expect the CarPlay subscription fees to add up significantly over the long term. All the while, many other automakers now offer CarPlay as a standard feature.
BMW may ultimately decide against this idea if it receives enough negative feedback from customers, but we'll have to wait and see.
Article Link: BMW Plans to Turn CarPlay Into Subscription-Based Service Next Year
This is a ludicrous amount to charge. Peugeot have Airplay and Android Auto and Mirrorlink built in!
I'm wondering if being able to use indicators is an upgrade fee for BMW drivers too as they never *&!&*$$ use them
For me this is the limit where I have to say, just **** with them.
Paying 300€ upfront for something that should be free (or at least reasionably priced) is insane, but I come over it, because I just pay and then forget about it. But if I have to pay annually, it will annoy me every year again. I don‘t care if it is cheaper or not. I will simply avoid this problem by buying from another manufacturer.
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Paying 300€ upfront for something that should be free (or at least reasionably priced) is insane, but I come over it, because I just pay and then forget about it. But if I have to pay annually, it will annoy me every year again. I don‘t care if it is cheaper or not. I will simply avoid this problem by buying from another manufacturer.
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Exactly this is the problem with companies like BMW at the moment. They don‘t try to improve the user experience but only try to increase their profits. This is a business concept that seem to work but you risk to lose the customer loyalty. I think in a few years Apple will face the same problem.And that seems to be the average comment on a forum dedicated to a company that has “getting less for more” as its credo looking at the last iterations of their product line. Look at the accessories in the Apple Store and you will see who is milking who
[doublepost=1516268415][/doublepost]Not sure what the situation is in the USA, but in Europe this subscription model has already settled in. For example, I paid a fee for RTTI (RealTime Traffic Information) repeatedly. And there a more services in their store that demand a regular fee.
Apple CarPlay is not free, car builders have to license it so it comes with a cost. As it cuts down their possibilities on upselling of the services from their own entertainment center, it seems VERY logical for me that they do not want to support it too much. Think about it: we sometimes just want to go Dutch and expect everything to be free....
You check your oil levels through the in dash computer. It’s quite simple and much easier than opening a hood and playing with a dipstick.
My son is in the market for a new car and has crossed off models that do not have CarPlay. Charging a subscription for CarPlay is almost the same thing. BMW is stupid for doing this and car companies in general are a bit too arrogant to think their cars are so differentiated as to be able to call the shots on integrations like this (looking at you Toyota). There are a lot more iPhones sold each year than BMWs...