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BMW Updates Connected App With Car Keys Support

drew0020 said:
No buttons and no CarPlay. I agree on buttons, but CarPlay is pretty awful especially on such small screens. I only wish the Y increased from a 15” to a larger screen. I think the larger screen comes in the Cybertruck. I cant wait for that beast!!
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I don't like CarPlay either, but is Tesla's own thing really better?
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AnorexicPig said:
Never understood rooting for the competitors to go away, Android pushes Apple to be better, same for different car companies.
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Makes sense if you own TSLA stock ;)
I love the company, just not gonna trust such positive reviews about their cars.
 
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I feel like there is way too much invested in tech that so few use. How many BMW owners will even use this tech...even if they have a phone and car that support it?
 
Well, at least all the bugs should be worked out by the time I own a vehicle that supports Apple Car Keys.
 
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Alex.Roams said:
Anyone else not a fan of it being like a rewards card in the wallet app?
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No, it makes sense there. It's a consolidated place for credit cards, reward cards etc. I have my car insurance card in there. It would be annoying if there were a wallet app for each type of card, no?
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
You know if you'd bought a Tesla it would have had this feature years ago, and that the Tesla would still be getting new features today?

Why on earth would someone purchase a car that wasn't a Tesla? We make fun of Android phones all the time on these forums for how they generally receive updates for about a year, then they rapidly age as they never get another update after that. Buying a non-Tesla is worse than that - a non-Tesla was generally last updated months-years before you bought it. It was worse than a Tesla when you bought it, and while the Tesla only gets better, everything else gets worse.

Sell your BMW now before you have to pay someone to get rid of it.
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Why would I want Tesla? I can't think of a reason (only for me). But I didn't know that Tesla had a car key built into IOS. (as opposed to an app that you have to invoke)
 
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Awesome - can’t wait to use it on my ordered 2021 5 Series! Excited!
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ArtOfWarfare said:
You know if you'd bought a Tesla it would have had this feature years ago, and that the Tesla would still be getting new features today?

Why on earth would someone purchase a car that wasn't a Tesla? We make fun of Android phones all the time on these forums for how they generally receive updates for about a year, then they rapidly age as they never get another update after that. Buying a non-Tesla is worse than that - a non-Tesla was generally last updated months-years before you bought it. It was worse than a Tesla when you bought it, and while the Tesla only gets better, everything else gets worse.

Sell your BMW now before you have to pay someone to get rid of it.
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True - but owning a BMW 5 Series and really intrigued by the Tesla, besides the speed, what else does it have on the 5 Series? None of Tesla’s come close the the interiors of a German car or the refinement/quality. See recent JD Power Reliability survey and Tesla is dead last. Tesla big iPad really is not very user friendly compared to BMW infotainment system and HUD. I see BMW ahead of the technology gadgets compared to Tesla. Heck - Tesla does not offer Carplay, Waze, AM Radio or SiriusXM (except on S model). No CarPlay is a big drawback and their system does then requires to look at their iPad constantly to play music, where on BMW HUD, I look at HUD.

I like Tesla’s and keep coming close to getting a S, but right now they don’t touch a German gas car if you travel a lot and want quality/comfort/ease of use of infotainment system. :)
 
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fairuz said:
I don't like CarPlay either, but is Tesla's own thing really better?
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Tesla's OS & Apple CarPlay are in separate leagues. The reason why, is because Tesla's OS is designed for less human interaction (ie Full autonomous) and more geared towards voice since the end goal is no more steering wheel, pedals. The idea of using Apple Maps makes no sense since the car will auto navigate using current charge % and distance or go off of your calendar. Same can be said for any of the other apps CarPlay comes with.
 
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GDF said:
Awesome - can’t wait to use it on my ordered 2021 5 Series! Excited!
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True - but owning a BMW 5 Series and really intrigued by the Tesla, besides the speed, what else does it have on the 5 Series? None of Tesla’s come close the the interiors of a German car or the refinement/quality. See recent JD Power Reliability survey and Tesla is dead last. Tesla big iPad really is not very user friendly compared to BMW infotainment system and HUD. I see BMW ahead of the technology gadgets compared to Tesla. Heck - Tesla does not offer Carplay, Waze, AM Radio or SiriusXM (except on S model). No CarPlay is a big drawback and their system does then requires to look at their iPad constantly to play music, where on BMW HUD, I look at HUD.

I like Tesla’s and keep coming close to getting a S, but right now they don’t touch a German gas car if you travel a lot and want quality/comfort/ease of use of infotainment system. :)
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None of Tesla’s come close the the interiors of a German car or the refinement/quality.
- That is because Tesla's are not designed for precision interior and never will. The interior of a Tesla is ultimately designed for the end goal of relaxing, sleeping and entertainment. Basically a plane/train or bus. The end goal is having a "living room experience" since there is no more steering wheel/pedal. Only 1 touch screen in the center. Which is the Model 3, Model Y, Cybertruck.

See recent JD Power Reliability survey and Tesla is dead last.
- Yeah, because BMW is #1. JD Powers is fake. I've never listened or cared. Plus. placing an EV against gas is not an equal comparison. I've been a Range Rover owner for 20+ years and am very happy. Not to mentioned we've been in dead last.


Tesla big iPad really is not very user friendly compared to BMW infotainment system and HUD.
- The 17' Infotainment screen has more functionality that any automaker. Which BMW, Audi, Porsche, Ferrari, Ford.. many other have agreed that that their infotainment is laggy at best.
- Plus also, please explain how exactly you came by this "not user friendly" statement.


I see BMW ahead of the technology gadgets compared to Tesla
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their system does then requires to look at their iPad constantly to play music
- In my 2 years of ownership, I never once looked at the 17" screen while driving. Voice commands or Siri.
 
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fairuz said:
I don't like CarPlay either, but is Tesla's own thing really better?
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Makes sense if you own TSLA stock ;)
I love the company, just not gonna trust such positive reviews about their cars.
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I love Tesla and I own their stock. The stock gains basically paid for my Y, but the fit and finish of the early Y’s leave much to be desired. The Performance Y drives like a 2015 BMW M3, but it’d much faster. It’s that good and that’s all that really matters. I don’t want to make this a Tesla v. BMW thread, because I appreciate both. I was a BMW loyalist, but since 2018 I went Tesla and never looked back. Best decision I have ever made.
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GDF said:
Awesome - can’t wait to use it on my ordered 2021 5 Series! Excited!
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True - but owning a BMW 5 Series and really intrigued by the Tesla, besides the speed, what else does it have on the 5 Series? None of Tesla’s come close the the interiors of a German car or the refinement/quality. See recent JD Power Reliability survey and Tesla is dead last. Tesla big iPad really is not very user friendly compared to BMW infotainment system and HUD. I see BMW ahead of the technology gadgets compared to Tesla. Heck - Tesla does not offer Carplay, Waze, AM Radio or SiriusXM (except on S model). No CarPlay is a big drawback and their system does then requires to look at their iPad constantly to play music, where on BMW HUD, I look at HUD.

I like Tesla’s and keep coming close to getting a S, but right now they don’t touch a German gas car if you travel a lot and want quality/comfort/ease of use of infotainment system. :)
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The Tesla is much faster, better app, true keyless entry (cc card backup), rollercoaster acceleration, drives and turns itself, better handling, better nav/infotainment system, and much better resale. Also, they come to you if you need service. One last thing, I never have to go to a gas station again. I went to a gas station for the first time in 3 years last month and they are worse than I remembered (it wasnt a Sheets though ha).
HUD is nice, but the windshield glass is softer. I had the HUD on the 340i and X5 and both had significant rock chips. I do miss HUD though.
 
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GadgetBen said:
Love the concept - hate BMW.

I hope other manufacturers follow and don’t waste money designing poor copycat systems.

Other car manufacturers are finally getting the hint with CarPlay over their own poor systems.

Leave the tech to the tech firms.
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I don't understand your point. CarPlay works beautifully with BMW's -- in my experience, it plays better with the stock BMW tech than it does with many other makes, and BMW is one of the relatively few brands actively supporting wireless CarPlay. What are you trying to say?
 
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I don't understand your point. CarPlay works beautifully with BMW's -- in my experience, it plays better with the stock BMW tech than it does with many other makes, and BMW is one of the relatively few brands actively supporting wireless CarPlay. What are you trying to say?
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The bad part about BMW isn't the electronics, it's the actual cars. They degrade over time even more quickly than other luxury or sport cars. Only Jaguar is worse AFAIK.
 
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Nobody has mentioned this but Mazda has had this feature available already on at least 2020 Mazda 3. With registering vehicle on MyMazda App you can use your phone to start/stop engine, lock doors, etc. I was told by the dealer when I got my car in March when this feature with the Mymazda app wasn’t available that the car was equipped with NFC tech and will be able to be used with Mazda app as well as CarPlay. The dealer said Mazda has not included this information in the specs of cars and features and is keeping it secret and will slowly release the feature and information. Still nothing from Mazda on Carplay but definitely works with the Mazda App.
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fairuz said:
Can the Tesla get an update that adds physical climate control buttons so I don't have to look down?
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Yes, the two knobs on the steering wheel can do whatever. There's also voice controls. I don't really know why people like bringing up the climate control. How often does anyone actually touch that?

Also, evidently there's no CarPlay, why?
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Why would there be? The car can send and receive messages, and it'll actually display the contents of your message on screen unlike CarPlay. Spotify and other audio programs are built in. Superior maps are built in, and any web based maps can be accessed via the touch screen. Netflix, games, an audio composition program, etc, are all built in. Wanting CarPlay is like wanting to be able to mirror your Apple Watch to your iPhone - it'd be a weird and inferior experience.

People are so used to the typical 1/5 car infotainment system that they think the 3/5 car infotainment system that CarPlay delivers is desirable, when really Tesla's 5/5 system is just better - wanting to shove in the 3/5 system would be dumb...

Although now that I think about it, it could probably be done with the current system. Can probably install something on a Raspberry Pi to make it show up as a wireless receiver for CarPlay, then just mirror what it gets to a web server that the Tesla browser can access.
 
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ArtOfWarfare said:
You know if you'd bought a Tesla it would have had this feature years ago, and that the Tesla would still be getting new features today?

Why on earth would someone purchase a car that wasn't a Tesla? We make fun of Android phones all the time on these forums for how they generally receive updates for about a year, then they rapidly age as they never get another update after that. Buying a non-Tesla is worse than that - a non-Tesla was generally last updated months-years before you bought it. It was worse than a Tesla when you bought it, and while the Tesla only gets better, everything else gets worse.

Sell your BMW now before you have to pay someone to get rid of it.
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You wouldn't have had this feature yesterday in a Tesla as Tesla still doesn't support this. Tesla has a proprietary system that is similar, but it doesn't support Apple CarKey and, at minimum, requires a powered on phone to work whereas Apple's implementation will work for at least 5 hours after the phone has lost power. Additionally, it isn't yet known if the Apple implementation is more reliable as Tesla's implementation isn't without its quirks.

People would buy a car that isn't a Tesla simply because we're not all optimizing for the same thing nor do we all care for the same things. What's best or worse for any one of us will vary quite a lot. When I was shopping for my latest car I took a good solid look at Tesla and it didn't make sense for me in my situation. Instead I ordered a BMW 5 series PHEV. I'll list what put me off Tesla, but my negatives are reflective of my optimizations and realities... Of course YMMV.

  • Tesla has serious build quality issues. Where you're expected to perform an extremely detailed pre-purchase inspection to spot everything from panel gaps to poor paint application. Including insanity such as spotting transportation damage. Not something I expect to be concerned about on a $50K+ car.
  • Tesla navigation leaves a lot to be desired. It is not an un-common complaint that the system will direct drivers to inoperable super chargers on road trips that may seriously impede on your ability to complete a road trip.
  • Tesla service can be a real crap shoot. Both in terms of reliability and availability. Dealership service can also be a crap shoot, but I have 10+ BMW dealers within 50 miles of my house.
  • Privacy is a major requirement for me. Tesla collects a large volume of information from their cars and give you very limited options to limit or control that information. BMW on the other hand allows me a lot of control over data collected, the ability to request all collected data, and if I am feeling very paranoid I can disable the LTE connection in the car entirely.
  • Tesla lacks many features I consider basic on cars at this price point. Simple things like FM Radio, AM Radio, SiriusXM, and CarPlay to name a few on the entertainment side. It also lacks HUD, Blind Spot Monitoring on the mirror, a standard Instrument Cluster to name a few on the safety side.
  • Tesla also lacks an interior build quality that feels aligned to its price segment and it also doesn't feel like a car that will feel as solid and refined years into ownership.
  • Lastly, Tesla seems focused heavily on turning the driver into a passenger and I enjoy driving.
Competition is good for all of us and Tesla isn't the right choice for everyone nor is BMW.
 
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mannyvel said:
I've had BMWs and Minis, and really, driving them is fun. My E93 is really great. That said, you pay a premium. I've been thinking of getting a Genesis or a palisade instead of a 7/X7 just because the massive cost savings. I mean, they're literally 50k less.
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There’s a reason.
 
Wait a minute...

You wan't me to get out my phone and hold it near my car to unlock it? And then I have to put it in a certain spot inside the car to start the car. Why is this better than the key-fob that stays in my pocket, lets me in my locked car, and to start it from the pocket.
 
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GDF said:
Awesome - can’t wait to use it on my ordered 2021 5 Series! Excited!
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True - but owning a BMW 5 Series and really intrigued by the Tesla, besides the speed, what else does it have on the 5 Series? None of Tesla’s come close the the interiors of a German car or the refinement/quality. See recent JD Power Reliability survey and Tesla is dead last. Tesla big iPad really is not very user friendly compared to BMW infotainment system and HUD. I see BMW ahead of the technology gadgets compared to Tesla. Heck - Tesla does not offer Carplay, Waze, AM Radio or SiriusXM (except on S model). No CarPlay is a big drawback and their system does then requires to look at their iPad constantly to play music, where on BMW HUD, I look at HUD.

I like Tesla’s and keep coming close to getting a S, but right now they don’t touch a German gas car if you travel a lot and want quality/comfort/ease of use of infotainment system. :)
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What about a German electric car? I’m excited about the Mercedes electrics coming out! If they have CarKey I’m sold! They already have CarPlay in Benz land :). I love my Mercedes cars, and can’t wait for this
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
You know if you'd bought a Tesla it would have had this feature years ago, and that the Tesla would still be getting new features today?

Why on earth would someone purchase a car that wasn't a Tesla? We make fun of Android phones all the time on these forums for how they generally receive updates for about a year, then they rapidly age as they never get another update after that. Buying a non-Tesla is worse than that - a non-Tesla was generally last updated months-years before you bought it. It was worse than a Tesla when you bought it, and while the Tesla only gets better, everything else gets worse.

Sell your BMW now before you have to pay someone to get rid of it.
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Model 3’s are ugly AF. Model S’s are too much money. Reason enough for me to not buy a Tesla.
 
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