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Thank you both for the information. :D

You are mixing models.

There is no such thing as a G5 Mac Pro. It's either a PowerMac G5 which has a PowerPC processor or a Mac Pro which has an Intel processor.

The Quad PowerMac G5, the Mac under discussion, is only capable of Leopard 10.5.8 max. Just so you are aware of that.

I believe the max ram is 16GB and SATA 2 is as good as you can get. Some SATA 3 drives will be recognized, but not all of them and there tends to be problems.

The PowerMac G5 is the only model of PowerPC Mac that has SATA natively.

My apologies. I meant Power Mac.

Out of curiosity do you think that I would be able to use a basic SAT3 SSD at SATA2 speeds on the 2005 Power Mac?

There were effectively two "generations" of the G5-the original models that used AGP graphics, and the late '05 models that used PCIe graphics and had a bunch of other changes. The above listing of GPUs is only applicable to the late '05 models.

The AGP computers came with either one or two processors with speed ranging from 1.6ghz to 2.7ghz. As far as I'm aware, anything above 2ghz was dual processor, and anything above 2.5ghz was liquid cooled. If you're buying a dual 2.5 or dual 2.7, look for signs of liquid leaking very carefully, as these are a known trouble spot. The max ram for lower end models was 4gb, while most higher end models maxed at 8gb. These used DDR PC3200 RAM.

The late '05 models used the 970MP processor, a dual CORE version of the G5. These came in a 2.0 dual core, 2.3 dual core, and 2.5 quad core. The last is what's collectively referred to as a "quad." The Quad has two dual core 2.5ghz processors. It is also liquid cooled, but the cooling system is generally pretty reliable.

The late '05 models take DDR2 PC2-4200. They have 8 slots for a maximum of 16gb of RAM.

All G5s have two 3.5" hard drive bays for SATA hard drives. Boot drives must be formatted HFS+/APM, which limits the maximum partition size to 2TB. GUID can be used for non-booting drives, which gives you more flexibility. There can be issues with SATA III drives, but SATA I and SATA 2 are fine. The optical bay has a single slot for an IDE drive, but the IDE bus can support a hard drive if you want to shoehorn one in.

Is it a closed loop water cooler for just the CPU sort of like this?

If I buy one with 2GHz or more it will have two processors? What is the highest speed air cooled G5 processor?
 
Is it a closed loop water cooler for just the CPU sort of like this?

If I buy one with 2GHz or more it will have two processors? What is the highest speed air cooled G5 processor?

The LCS is closed loop. Depending on the exact design, it will have two water blocks, a radiator, and either one or two pumps. It's invisible for all intents and purposes and hidden behind the aluminum "G5" cover visible when you take the side off the computer.

The fastest air cooled G5 is the dual 2.3, in either dual processor or single processor, dual core configuration. The dual core has a small speed advantage for a variety of reasons.

I also have heard of folks converting dual 2.5s to air cooling.
 
My apologies. I meant Power Mac.
No problem. It's nitpicky, but it's best that we are all on the same page.
Out of curiosity do you think that I would be able to use a basic SAT3 SSD at SATA2 speeds on the 2005 Power Mac?
It's possible. Some people have has good success with SATA 3 SSDs, but only by certain manufacturers. I don't own an SSD so maybe someone who has had that success can mention which one they used.

But, yes, if it does work you'll be limited to SATA 2 speeds.

Is it a closed loop water cooler for just the CPU sort of like this?
It's closed loop and there are two manufacturers. The original manufacturer, to my knowledge, had the less reliable pump (a single pump I believe) while the later production run had a dual pump system that was more reliable.

And, BTW, it's not water. It's actual coolant. The system, one pump or two comes with a radiator.

If I buy one with 2GHz or more it will have two processors? What is the highest speed air cooled G5 processor?
Not sure on that one, but the fastest is a 2.3 dual. The Quads top out at 2.5Ghz.
 
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Thank you both for the information. :D



My apologies. I meant Power Mac.

Out of curiosity do you think that I would be able to use a basic SAT3 SSD at SATA2 speeds on the 2005 Power Mac?



Is it a closed loop water cooler for just the CPU sort of like this?

If I buy one with 2GHz or more it will have two processors? What is the highest speed air cooled G5 processor?
SATA 3 drives don't play nicely with PPC macs, go for a SATA 2
 
The fastest air cooled G5 is the dual 2.3, in either dual processor or single processor, dual core configuration. The dual core has a small speed advantage for a variety of reasons.
Isn't the dual 2.7 (PowerMac7,3) air cooled?
 
I'm curious about the quad G5.

What is the latest graphics chip that they support?

Any suggestions for someone not familiar with PPC?

When I had my DC 2.3GHz and Quad I ran the 7800GT and 7800GTX (flashed). They both performed very well. Even though this was a few years back I was able to watch HD in youtube no problem. Only downside with both is that the fan is SO LOUD. I highly recommend using a Zalman fan and splice into the 2 prong power connector. Worked great for many years.

SATA 3 drives don't play nicely with PPC macs, go for a SATA 2

Even though I see this comment a lot, I ran SATA III drives in my G5s for a pretty long time with a jumper to enable SATA I only. I never had any problem. Used Western Digital blacks with no issues. But, mileage varies I guess.

Isn't the dual 2.7 (PowerMac7,3) air cooled?

It was liquid cooled...but I seem to remember someone on this forum years ago converting either a DP 2.5GHz or 2.7GHz to air cooling. It worked fine but kinda risky if you push the envelope. I would be willing to try this if I can find a cheap/free G5.
 
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I don't really care about IDE drives in the machine. I've phased them all out. The drive up in the optical slot would stay empty if I get a Power Mac.

Ok so the Quad processors top at 2.5GHz. These are not air cooled though? I'm guessing that these can come with two of the processors installed.

How can I tell if the machine in question has the better of the two cooling systems? What am I looking for?

I'm wondering if the SATA2 support is like the SATA2 on my old ASUS P5N-D board in my previous machine. It didn't support SATA3 but I was able to put in a SSD and get faster speeds out of it then a 7200RPM drive. Best Buy has some PNY drives. They are inexpensive but not very fast. They are still fast enough to saturate SATA2 though. $320 for 960GB with Sequential read speeds up to 525MB/sec. That seems decent enough for me.

Now the question is what would be a good price for a Power Mac with 2x2.5GHz Quad Coe G5 processors and a 7800GT.
What are the limitations of Leopard compared to 10.11?
 
What are the limitations of Leopard compared to 10.11?
That's a bit like asking "What are the limitations of a 1960s car compared to a 2015 model car.

Both can do the same thing, drive you from A to B. But there are too many differences to list.
 
I don't really care about IDE drives in the machine. I've phased them all out. The drive up in the optical slot would stay empty if I get a Power Mac.

Ok so the Quad processors top at 2.5GHz. These are not air cooled though? I'm guessing that these can come with two of the processors installed.

How can I tell if the machine in question has the better of the two cooling systems? What am I looking for?

I'm wondering if the SATA2 support is like the SATA2 on my old ASUS P5N-D board in my previous machine. It didn't support SATA3 but I was able to put in a SSD and get faster speeds out of it then a 7200RPM drive. Best Buy has some PNY drives. They are inexpensive but not very fast. They are still fast enough to saturate SATA2 though. $320 for 960GB with Sequential read speeds up to 525MB/sec. That seems decent enough for me.

Now the question is what would be a good price for a Power Mac with 2x2.5GHz Quad Coe G5 processors and a 7800GT.
What are the limitations of Leopard compared to 10.11?
There is a single IDE 5.25" slot that can be used for IDE devices. There are 2 SATA bays that take 3.5" HDDs. The Quads support up to 16GB of RAM, and include 2x Dual Core 2.5GHz PowerPC G5 processors. The main limitations of Leopard is the fact that new software will not run, and older versions can be difficult to find! Check out @Gavinstubbs9's PowerPC Archive for software. Personally, the versions of Logic, Final Cut, and iWork are my favorite versions, and they all function of PPC. Some SATA III SSDs have SATA I jumpers, but not all do, so it is easier to find SATA II drives. As for the LCS, the ones in the Quads were the best. The Quad's LCS was least likely to leak in both versions (single pump and dual pump). But it was been reported that dual pumps will have cooler temps, but the single pumps are more reliable
 
I'm wondering if the SATA2 support is like the SATA2 on my old ASUS P5N-D board in my previous machine. It didn't support SATA3 but I was able to put in a SSD and get faster speeds out of it then a 7200RPM drive. Best Buy has some PNY drives. They are inexpensive but not very fast. They are still fast enough to saturate SATA2 though. $320 for 960GB with Sequential read speeds up to 525MB/sec. That seems decent enough for me.
Actually, the G5 only has SATA 1, not SATA 2. SATA 2 drives are generally backwards compatible, but not all SATA 3 drives will work with SATA 1.

Of course any drive in the G5 will be limited to SATA 1 speed, which tops out at 1.5 Gb/s or 150 MB/s (real-world max is slightly less).
 
I don't really care about IDE drives in the machine. I've phased them all out. The drive up in the optical slot would stay empty if I get a Power Mac.

Ok so the Quad processors top at 2.5GHz. These are not air cooled though? I'm guessing that these can come with two of the processors installed.

How can I tell if the machine in question has the better of the two cooling systems? What am I looking for?

I'm wondering if the SATA2 support is like the SATA2 on my old ASUS P5N-D board in my previous machine. It didn't support SATA3 but I was able to put in a SSD and get faster speeds out of it then a 7200RPM drive. Best Buy has some PNY drives. They are inexpensive but not very fast. They are still fast enough to saturate SATA2 though. $320 for 960GB with Sequential read speeds up to 525MB/sec. That seems decent enough for me.

Now the question is what would be a good price for a Power Mac with 2x2.5GHz Quad Coe G5 processors and a 7800GT.
What are the limitations of Leopard compared to 10.11?
There never was a dual, quad core G5 system. The maximum configuration was a dual, dual core setup.
 
I don't really care about IDE drives in the machine. I've phased them all out. The drive up in the optical slot would stay empty if I get a Power Mac.

Ok so the Quad processors top at 2.5GHz. These are not air cooled though? I'm guessing that these can come with two of the processors installed.

How can I tell if the machine in question has the better of the two cooling systems? What am I looking for?

I'm wondering if the SATA2 support is like the SATA2 on my old ASUS P5N-D board in my previous machine. It didn't support SATA3 but I was able to put in a SSD and get faster speeds out of it then a 7200RPM drive. Best Buy has some PNY drives. They are inexpensive but not very fast. They are still fast enough to saturate SATA2 though. $320 for 960GB with Sequential read speeds up to 525MB/sec. That seems decent enough for me.

Now the question is what would be a good price for a Power Mac with 2x2.5GHz Quad Coe G5 processors and a 7800GT.
What are the limitations of Leopard compared to 10.11?

I am pulling this info out from memory, so it may not be 100% right...its been awhile! There were two liquid cooling system manufacturers: Panasonic and Delphi (which is a division of General Motors). There were also a few models, some have single pumps, other 2 pumps. The early generation Delphi single pump LCS were most prone to issues (mid 2004-early 2005) models. The Panasonic's were dual pumps, but are not very common. The Quad used both single and dual pump systems made by Delphi/Panasonic with later production models being dual pump Delphi's. It is kind of luck of the draw TBH.

For pictures check out forum member @gavinstubbs09 thread where he did a LCS rebuild. Good pics and all https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/rebuilding-a-2-7ghz-g5-lcs.1718246/
 
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I am pulling this info out from memory, so it may not be 100% right...its been awhile! There were two liquid cooling system manufacturers: Panasonic and Delphi (which is a division of General Motors). There were also a few models, some have single pumps, other 2 pumps. The early generation Delphi single pump LCS were most prone to issues (mid 2004-early 2005) models. The Panasonic's were dual pumps, but are not very common. The Quad used both single and dual pump systems made by Delphi/Panasonic with later production models being dual pump Delphi's. It is kind of luck of the draw TBH.

For pictures check out forum member @gavinstubbs09 thread where he did a LCS rebuild. Good pics and all https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/rebuilding-a-2-7ghz-g5-lcs.1718246/
Quads never shipped with Panasonic units! This is a common misconception, the 2.5 and 2.7GHz models shipped with a combo of Delphi and Panasonic units, which were both prone to failure
 
I've found that to happen from time to time. Why, I don't know. But my usual solution (when it does happen) is to reinstall it using Onyx or Tinkertool (forget which one at the moment).

Onyx and TinkerTool did not work even though Onyx did have the option to do so. What I ended up doing was navigating to the prefpane location through Finder and deleted it, emptied the trash and then restarted. Once the machine restarted, I used spotlight to locate it again and re-installed it. Done and done and now I have the processor control back.

Thanks for the tip though because I never noticed that in Onyx before you said something!
 
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Quads never shipped with Panasonic units! This is a common misconception, the 2.5 and 2.7GHz models shipped with a combo of Delphi and Panasonic units, which were both prone to failure

Thanks for the clarification. Looking closely at the Apple Service Manual for the Quad it seems there are 2 variations of the dual pump made by Delphi/Coolingy. It is pretty hard to find any info about the Panasonic models, either because there are so few or there are very few failures, or both!
 
@Daisy81, careful what you wish for with L05 Quad's. It's not all sunshine and lollipops. Sometimes they can be a pretty big pain. I'm still having cooling troubles with my system even after attempting what few seem to have done. I've got anywhere from 10-30 degree temp differences between the processors. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/possible-lcs-issues-late-05-quad.1934554/
I'm no stranger to pain in the butt. :D As long as I can get it operational I think it will look quite nice in my collection. I think I might be able to put it to work as my current Macs are a 2012 Mac Mini with questionable cooling (IE I don't trust it for heavy labor) and a 2015 MacBook Retina 13 Inch that again is questionable in cooling but a competent office documentation and presentation machine.

I was looking and it seems like I can use iLife '09. I'm hoping I can still buy a disk for this. I remember iMovie back then being much better then it is now so it isn't a big loss to be forced back a few versions. I don't even think the majority of the features added to OS X since leopard are that meaningful, other then the multi monitor menu bar on the top in Mavericks. I think I can live with a PPC

Worst case scenario I have to change out a cooling solution and reapply thermal grease. I have been looking and it looks like most of the parts are available individually. If I have to I'll pick the best parts and assemble it myself. :D

It doesn't sound any more difficult then installing these. :D

I realize that the examples below are not strictly Apple machines but they are some of my fondest Windows machines I have ever built.

I rebuilt my Core 2 Quad system back around June last year with the intention of swapping out the internals shortly once I had the money for the exact parts I wanted and no sacrifices. The cooling was a Cooler Master V6 GTS. Very cool looking but a major pain in the butt to install because it was so massively big.
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Then I upgraded the internal components and switched to water cooling. This baby can clock 4.7GHz while encoding videos without anything in the case going above 85C. This is my current power house. One day I hope I can get it to run OSX. Now that is going to be a pain in the butt.

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@Daisy81, careful what you wish for with L05 Quad's. It's not all sunshine and lollipops. Sometimes they can be a pretty big pain. I'm still having cooling troubles with my system even after attempting what few seem to have done. I've got anywhere from 10-30 degree temp differences between the processors. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/possible-lcs-issues-late-05-quad.1934554/
The old saying "you get what you pay for" applies with G5 quads as with most used products.
I purchased mine from a reputable re-seller, it was inshop refurbished and came with a 90 day warranty, it arrived properly packed and without any shipping damage, that was back in 2012. It has ran regularly since then without a hiccup, in spite of my upgrades and attempts to make it do things it was never designed to do.
 
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The old saying "you get what you pay for" applies with G5 quads as with most used products.
I purchased mine from a reputable re-seller, it was in shop refurbished and came with a 90 day warranty, it arrived properly packed and without any shipping damage, that was back in 2012. It has ran regularly since then without a hiccup, in spite of my upgrades and attempts to make it do things it was never designed to do.
That sounds like a good policy.

Having a Quad 2.5GHz can you tell me how fast it renders 1080P videos with iMovie 09? :D
 
The old saying "you get what you pay for" applies with G5 quads as with most used products.
I purchased mine from a reputable re-seller, it was in shop refurbished and came with a 90 day warranty, it arrived properly packed and without any shipping damage, that was back in 2012. It has ran regularly since then without a hiccup, in spite of my upgrades and attempts to make it do things it was never designed to do.

Good point, just wanted to recommend the poster be aware of potential problems with the G5. These machines are almost 11 years old and Apples implementation of LCS even had issues when the units were relatively new. Granted the L05 quad was the best of Apples LCS systems!
 
That sounds like a good policy.

Having a Quad 2.5GHz can you tell me how fast it renders 1080P videos with iMovie 09? :D
That will depend on the graphics card mostly, I own a Quad too, but I try to use my other devices for video editing
 
That sounds like a good policy.

Having a Quad 2.5GHz can you tell me how fast it renders 1080P videos with iMovie 09? :D

I would recommend going for the iLife '06 suite with iMovie HD if you need a basic editor. I saw a video a while ago of a user editing 1080p on an iBook. I will try to find the link and report back!
 
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