Bragi Unveils Wireless 'Headphone' Earbuds Ahead of Apple Event

[Michael Goff]

I just posted a link to something saying that the radiation isn't powerful enough to do damage. Your response is a picture. That seems oddly fitting for your level of discourse and intellectual honesty in this little discussion.

 

[MaloCS]

I just posted a link to something saying that the radiation isn't powerful enough to do damage. Your response is a picture. That seems oddly fitting for your level of discourse and intellectual honesty in this little discussion.

If the shoe fits...

I posted a video that tests and documents the levels of Bluetooth radiation a common ear piece emits. The video I posted shows real world, verifiable and repeatable test results on Bluetooth radiation that even someone like you can repeat and verify (isn't this what science is? The ability to test, confirm and repeat the results?). It also shows a chart (that you can easily find and freely download) that outlines studies and ailments that various levels of Bluetooth radiation exposure causes.

For "low-power" radiation devices, the severity of the ailments comes comes down to exposure time, not the level of "low-power" your body is experiencing. Experiencing 10mW of radiation during a 60 second time frame, once a day, is hugely different then experiencing 10mW of radiation over 8 hours of time every day. Do you understand now?

If you want to keep your head in the sand then go for it. We'll see how you feel when you can't father children and have to pay a doctor 40K for invitro fertilization. Or when your son can't father children of his own leaving you without a bloodline legacy.

Just move along right? Nothing to see here, right? Don't worry about it right? Be calm and Bluetooth on right? WRONG!

I'm going to assume you're an intelligent person. Unfortunately, you're entrusting your health to an industry that only cares about money, power and the bottom line. You and I should be on the same side. We should be standing shoulder to shoulder, demanding that corporations like Apple, Samsung, Sony, Google, Microsoft, etc, conduct research that verifies this tech is safe. I don't understand the willingness to wager your future on a technology that has be scientifically shown to kill sperm and cause numerous ailments. Regardless, I will continue to fight not only for my health but your health as well.

 

[Michael Goff]

If the shoe fits...

I posted a very definitive video that clearly shows, that "low power" Bluetooth radiation has been documented to cause serious health issues (just research the studies listed on the chart he's using) The video I posted shows real world, verifiable and repeatable test results on Bluetooth radiation (isn't this what science is? The ability to test, confirm and repeat the results?). It also shows a chart (that you can easily find and freely download) that outlines studies and ailments that various levels of Bluetooth radiation exposure causes. For low power radiation devices it comes down to exposure time, not the amount of "low-power" your body is experiencing.

If you want to keep your head in the sand then go for it. We'll see how you feel when you can't father children and have to pay a doctor 40K for invitro fertilization. Or when your son can't father children of his own leaving you without a bloodline legacy.

Just move along right? Nothing to see here, right? Don't worry about it right? Be calm and Bluetooth on right? WRONG!

Let's look over the links you've posted in this topic:
http://emfblues.com/bluetooth-radiation/
"This isn't based on any study of it being safe, but a lack of studies proving it isn't" is not a good argument. And look, theyre trying to sell us things. I'm sure the 0 studies they have linked to prove something.

2.4 ghz is orders of magnitude lower in frequency than ionizing radiation which starts around uv ( 8 × 10^14hz to 3 × 10^16hz) and goes through x-rays and gamma rays. Visible light is even orders of magnitude higher. You'll be fine.

Thank you.

Here's a simple YouTube video that clearly documents the dangers of Bluetooth radiation. You're welcome.

I'm trying to read those sources on the piece of paper. Kind of blurry. But from what I can see, most of them are rather old studies.

 

[MaloCS]

Let's look over the links you've posted in this topic:
http://emfblues.com/bluetooth-radiation/
"This isn't based on any study of it being safe, but a lack of studies proving it isn't" is not a good argument. And look, theyre trying to sell us things. I'm sure the 0 studies they have linked to prove something.



Thank you.



I'm trying to read those sources on the piece of paper. Kind of blurry. But from what I can see, most of them are rather old studies.

Old studies? So what! Does it matter if the study was done 10 years ago or 15 years or 20 years? All it shows is that the government and tech industry have known about these conditions for decades and they still chose to release this tech into the wild. They have known that Bluetooth kills sperm since the mid 2000s and they still allow it's use which just completely blows my mind. It really does support the idea that these corporations do not care about the potential health risks their products have been proven to cause because all that matters is the profit they can make.

You're the one that needs to wake up. The evidence is right in front of you but for some reason, people like you continue to deny it. I don't know why, it really is mind boggling.

If you were willing you could verify the results in that video very easily and without spending a ton of cash. I don't know what else to say "Keep calm and Bluetooth on" I guess.

Unfortunately, you're entrusting your health to an industry that only cares about money, power and the bottom line. You and I should be on the same side. We should be standing shoulder to shoulder, demanding that corporations like Apple, Samsung, Sony, Google, Microsoft, etc, conduct research that verifies this tech is safe. I don't understand the willingness to wager your future (or your children's, or worse yet, my children's future) on a technology that has been scientifically proven to kill sperm and cause numerous ailments. Regardless, I will continue to fight not only for my health but your health as well.

 

[4419626]

Old studies? So what! Does it matter if the study was done 10 years ago or 15 years or 20 years? All it shows is that the government and industry has known about these conditions for decades and still chose to release the tech into the wild. They have known that Bluetooth kills sperm since the mid 1990s and they still allow it's use.

You're the one that needs to wake up. The evidence is right in front of you but for some reason, people like you continue to deny it. I don't know why, it really is mind boggling.

If you were willing you could verify the results in that video very easily and without spending a ton of cash. I don't know what else to say "Keep calm and Bluetooth on" I guess.

I think you need to reevaluate your definition of the word "evidence". Your general attitude doesn't elicit any sense of trustworthiness in your position either, by the way.

Even the highest powered bluetooth device is still much, much lower than even the lowest powered cell phone. Not to mention the fact that the entire planet is bathed in radio frequencies at every moment of every day. Why don't you build yourself a rocket (without any EM radiating electronics, of course), find yourself a little rock somewhere to live on while you communicate with your family at distance using smoke signals, and let the rest of us small brained non-believers stay here on Earth with our heads in the proverbial sand. Thanks.

 

[Michael Goff]

Old studies? So what! Does it matter if the study was done 10 years ago or 15 years or 20 years? All it shows is that the government and industry has known about these conditions for decades and still chose to release the tech into the wild. They have known that Bluetooth kills sperm since the mid 1990s and they still allow it's use.

You're the one that needs to wake up. The evidence is right in front of you but for some reason you are willing to deny it. I don't know why, it really is mind boggling.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3309987/

While some animal and human studies revealed alterations in reproductive physiology in both males and females, others did not report any association. The in vitro and in vivo studies to date are highly diverse, very inconsistent in conduct and, in many cases, report different primary outcomes.

Newer study shows its kind of hit and miss there.

Once again, thats just sperm. There have been 0 studies linking it to anything else other than, maybe, killing sperm. And the science is still out on that one. I'm only denying your "proof" because you have none. I tried to find the Behari study from 2006, but couldn't find it myself. Wake up, get actual proof, or move on.

 

[imlynxy]

I tried Bragi and I didn't like them. One ear was loosing connection all the time. The best bluetooth headset in my opinion is JayBird (X2, not freedom) . JayBird X1/X2 gives me a perfect rage, no connection problems. You should be careful when you order from Amazon (not Amazon as a seller), there are lot of fake models there. I also have Bose QC35 and I also love them.
I'm open to test Bragi again when they fix the connection problem.

 

[MaloCS]

I think you need to reevaluate your definition of the word "evidence". Your general attitude doesn't elicit any sense of trustworthiness in your position either, by the way.

Even the highest powered bluetooth device is still much, much lower than even the lowest powered cell phone. Not to mention the fact that the entire planet is bathed in radio frequencies at every moment of every day. Why don't you build yourself a rocket (without any EM radiating electronics, of course), find yourself a little rock somewhere to live on while you communicate with your family at distance using smoke signals, and let the rest of us small brained non-believers stay here on Earth with our heads in the proverbial sand. Thanks.

Keep calm on Bluetooth on, you can put your head back in the sand now.

Rest assured that people like me, regardless of people like you, will continue to fight for the rights and health of all human beings. Yes, that includes you as well.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3309987/


Newer study shows its kind of hit and miss there.

Once again, thats just sperm. There have been 0 studies linking it to anything else other than, maybe, killing sperm. And the science is still out on that one. I'm only denying your "proof" because you have none. I tried to find the Behari study from 2006, but couldn't find it myself. Wake up, get actual proof, or move on.

You: "Once again, thats just sperm."
Me: WOW! <mind blown>

Rest assured that people like me, regardless of people like you, will continue to fight for the rights and health of all human beings. Yes, that includes you as well.

 

[Michael Goff]

I think you need to reevaluate your definition of the word "evidence". Your general attitude doesn't elicit any sense of trustworthiness in your position either, by the way.

Even the highest powered bluetooth device is still much, much lower than even the lowest powered cell phone. Not to mention the fact that the entire planet is bathed in radio frequencies at every moment of every day. Why don't you build yourself a rocket (without any EM radiating electronics, of course), find yourself a little rock somewhere to live on while you communicate with your family at distance using smoke signals, and let the rest of us small brained non-believers stay here on Earth with our heads in the proverbial sand. Thanks.

You might as well give up, he's not going to change his mind. The types of "evidence" he has equates to the same level as anti-vaxxers.
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Keep calm on Bluetooth on, you can put your head back in the sand now.

Rest assured that people like me, regardless of people like you, will continue to fight for the rights and health of all human beings. Yes, that includes you as well.
[doublepost=1473178729][/doublepost]

You: "Once again, thats just sperm."
Me: WOW! <mind blown>

Rest assured that people like me, regardless of people like you, will continue to fight for the rights and health of all human beings. Yes, that includes you as well.

That's all you got from that? The whole part where the science is out on it flew over your head? Do you know what else is said to kill sperm? Hot tubs, many shower curtains, nonstick cookware, fatty foods, microwave popcorn. Go crusade against all of those.

 

[MaloCS]

Bluetooth radiation is a concern and it should be dealt with. Everyone here should be aware of the health risks so they can make informed decisions on how to handle the radiation exposure. Read the darn article.

http://www.westword.com/news/something-in-the-air-5062227
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You might as well give up, he's not going to change his mind. The types of "evidence" he has equates to the same level as anti-vaxxers.
[doublepost=1473179080][/doublepost]

That's all you got from that? The whole part where the science is out on it flew over your head? Do you know what else is said to kill sperm? Hot tubs, many shower curtains, nonstick cookware, fatty foods, microwave popcorn. Go crusade against all of those.

Keep calm and Bluetooth on. Rest assured that people like me, regardless of people like you, will continue to fight for the rights and health of all human beings. Yes, that includes you as well.

 

[Michael Goff]

Bluetooth radiation is a concern and it should be dealt with. Everyone here should be aware of the health risks so they can make informed decisions on how to handle the radiation exposure. Read the darn article.

http://www.westword.com/news/something-in-the-air-5062227
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Keep calm and Bluetooth on. Rest assured that people like me, regardless of people like you, will continue to fight for the rights and health of all human beings. Yes, that includes you as well.

Oh, I know nothing I say or do will stop people like you from spreading FUD. It's why anti-vaxxers exist. There are always people who look at anything and try to find some weak connection to health risks.

 

[MaloCS]

Oh, I know nothing I say or do will stop people like you from spreading FUD. It's why anti-vaxxers exist. There are always people who look at anything and try to find some weak connection to health risks.

FUD?! Holy cow! It's because of people like you that we find ourselves in this situation.

You look at me and see FUD. I look at you and see a person that is willing to mortgage the health of my family, and society at large, for your personal convenience. Nothing matters but your personal satisfaction, right? Truth and science be damned, right?

Here's a very interesting article that covers the bureaucracy, politics and risks of RF towers (not Bluetooth, but same topic) in the Denver area. Do yourself and your children a favor, read the article.
http://www.westword.com/news/something-in-the-air-5062227

FUD? LOL!!!!!

Educate yourself!!!
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/neilcherrycellphonerisks07may01.shtml

 

[lordofthereef]

Aaaaaand this has turned into a pissing match....

 

[Michael Goff]

FUD?! Holy cow! It's because of people like you that we find ourselves in this situation.

You look at me and see FUD. I look at you and see a person that is willing to mortgage the health of my family, and society at large, for your personal convenience. Nothing matters but your personal satisfaction, right? Truth and science be damned, right?

Here's a very interesting article that covers the bureaucracy, politics and risks of RF towers (not Bluetooth, but same topic) in the Denver area. Do yourself and your children a favor, read the article.
http://www.westword.com/news/something-in-the-air-5062227

FUD? LOL!!!!!

I did read it. Have you read it? That article is about living near a tower. Read your own articles.

 

[amirite]

That is completely different as a better solution was offered. Much different than a standard that has been used since 1964 without any better options as of today.

How? There are two alternatives. 1) Lightning will provide higher quality audio and 2) Wireless is far more convenient and will match quality in the way 99% of users listen to music.

Audiophiles can use lightning headphones or a lightning-jack converter if they must. The standard only wins on ubiquity and it's a chicken/egg thing. This is a win win really.

See:

That still left the issue of the floppy. Apple's explanation is that the floppy is a dying breed. It's slow and doesn't hold a lot of information. If you have a spreadsheet that you have to work on at home, just email it to yourself.

Well, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Personally, I think that shipping the iMac without a floppy is kind of a weird idea. Granted, the information it holds is small and slow. But it is still rather functional and cheap. Very cheap.

- Poll: Are Apple Stupid For Dropping Floppy Drives?

- Apple are stupid. Period. End of story.

- 88 out of 104 [voted yes]

And The floppy disk is dead (and Apple helped kill it)
https://www.engadget.com/2010/04/28/the-floppy-disk-is-dead-and-apple-helped-kill-it/

Apple is once again singlehandedly forcing us forward with these uncomfortable design decisions.

Let's look back in 3-5 years

 

[MaloCS]

I did read it. Have you read it? That article is about living near a tower. Read your own articles.

LOL! It's all about exposure time, the higher the power the less exposure time is needed to kill you. Meanwhile, Bluetooth, with it's lower power output takes longer to kill you but in the end, YOU'RE STILL DEAD!

Got a headache? Don't worry take some Ibuprofen. Can't sleep? Don't worry, get some sleeping pills. Your eyes hurt? Relax, get some glasses. Your sinuses are always clogged. No worries, take another pill. The fact is that this tech is dangerous.

 

[Johnny907]

You should have kept the faith - The Dash today are a different beast to The Dash in February/March.

Faith? It's a product, not a religion. They should have waited to release it until it was ready and not wasted my time on a half baked device.

 

[docziandras]

"Bluetooth radiation" is 2.4GHz radiation. Just the same as WiFi (and cordless phones and baby monitors and all sorts of other devices). Do you have any WiFi access points in your home? Do your neighbors have any? Do you ever visit any buildings that have WiFi? Better stop that immediately, if you're really concerned about 2.4GHz radiation.

I'm guessing you're using the word "radiation" in regards to Bluetooth because it makes it sound more ominous (because nobody calls it that in normal conversation). But radiation is not inherently unsafe. You are exposed to electromagnetic radiation every day. You get a huge dose every time you walk outside during the day - there's an absolutely terrifying source of ultraviolet radiation out there that's so strong that it can literally burn you, from 93 million miles away. But if I call it "The Sun", suddenly it doesn't seem so scary, because it's familiar. Don't let fear of the unknown control your life. Electromagnetic radiation isn't a thing to fear, it is a thing to understand - it's all around us, and always has been. It is characterized by its frequency, or wavelength, and how energetic it is. Danger to life is entirely dependent on those two characteristics combined with exposure time. In more specific frequency ranges, electromagnetic radiation has more common names: gamma rays, X-rays, microwaves, ultraviolet radiation, infrared radiation, and visible light (yep, "light" is just a specific type of radiation - all those light bulbs in your house are irradiating you, but when it's visible light, we normally say they're shining on you). Can you kill lab rats with 2.4GHz radiation in sufficient quantities? Yes. But you can also kill them with water, or oxygen, in sufficient quantities, so what does that prove? Mostly that lab rats are not immortal.

Folks like to "put scientists on the spot" by insisting that they VERIFY that something "carries ABSOLUTELY NO RISK", and then, when the scientists won't unequivocally say, "yes!", these folk say, "Aha! Gotcha! You've just admitted that such and such IS dangerous!" But the simple truth is, good scientists won't say that anything is absolutely positively without risk, because EVERYTHING carries risk. Walking across your living room has a level of risk. Blinking carries risk. It's all a matter of understanding the actual levels of risk in everything you do and deciding which risks to accept in order to receive the corresponding benefits. And you do many things every day that are orders of magnitude more risky than wearing a Bluetooth headset. Starting with driving to work.

(Sorry, I'm just sick and tired of so many people treating radiation as some kind of magical bogeyman out to get them, while having absolutely no freaking idea what it is.)

Online forums need more folks like you. In the name of people with common sense, positivism and politeness I'd like to thank you for taking the time to formulate your comment.

 

[MaloCS]

Online forums need more folks like you. In the name of people with common sense, positivism and politeness I'd like to thank you for taking the time to formulate your comment.

Educate yourself.
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/neilcherrycellphonerisks07may01.shtml

 

[Michael Goff]

LOL! It's all about exposure time, the higher the power the less exposure time is needed to kill you. Meanwhile, Bluetooth, with it's lower power output takes longer to kill you but in the end, YOU'RE STILL DEAD!

Got a headache? Don't worry take some Ibuprofen. Can't sleep? Don't worry, get some sleeping pills. Your eyes hurt? Relax, get some glasses. Your sinuses are always clogged. No worries, take another pill. The fact is that this tech is dangerous.

No, there are safe levels of radiation. BT, from almost every study I could find, is safe. And the study you found was later refuted. So, please, stop with the fake concern.

 

[amirite]

Educate yourself.
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/neilcherrycellphonerisks07may01.shtml

I'm not clicking but I'm gonna go ahead and guess that site has a section dedicated to 9/11.

Amirite?
[doublepost=1473182402][/doublepost]O damn I couldn't have been more right. It's worse than I thought.

 

[MaloCS]

No, there are safe levels of radiation. BT, from almost every study I could find, is safe. And the study you found was later refuted. So, please, stop with the fake concern.

Safe levels? Yes, there are safe levels but more importantly, there are SAFE exposure times which change in relationship to the power levels you keep referring to. You're still focusing on the power of radiation not the exposure time of the radiation. Low-power radiation will still kill you if your exposure time is long enough. Wearing Bluetooth headphones for hours at a time is definitely risky behavior.

FUD here, get yer FUD here! Don't look at the facts or the science, just "Stay calm and Bluetooth on".

Educate yourself...
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/neilcherrycellphonerisks07may01.shtml
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I'm not clicking but I'm gonna go ahead and guess that site has a section dedicated to 9/11.

Amirite?
[doublepost=1473182402][/doublepost]O damn I couldn't have been more right. It's worse than I thought.

Yes and options to buy stock in tin foil.

Don't take my word for it. Educate your-damn-self...
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/neilcherrycellphonerisks07may01.shtml
[doublepost=1473182935][/doublepost]"Muscat et al. (2000) report elevated brain cancer in cellphone users in the United States, with cerebral tumors occurring more frequently on the side of the head where the mobile phone had been used, (26 vs 15 cases, p=0.06) and for a rare brain cancer, neuroepitheliomatous, OR = 2.1, 95%CI: 0.9-4.7. Mean use of cell phones was 2.5 years for cases and 2.2 years for controls, showing that a small increase in cellphone use (0.3 years) produces a large increase in brain cancer risk."

Keep calm on Bluetooth on!

 

[Michael Goff]

Safe levels? Yes, there are safe levels but more importantly, there are SAFE exposure times which change in relationship to the power levels you keep referring to. You're still focusing on the power of radiation not the exposure time of the radiation. Low-power radiation will still kill you if your exposure time is long enough. Wearing Bluetooth headphones for hours at a time is definitely risky behavior.

FUD here, get yer FUD here! Don't look at the facts or the science, just "Stay calm and Bluetooth on".

Educate yourself...
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/neilcherrycellphonerisks07may01.shtml
[doublepost=1473182605][/doublepost]

Yes and options to buy stock in tin foil.

Educate yourself...
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/neilcherrycellphonerisks07may01.shtml

Initial thoughts: Holy crap, that's a poorly made site.

Exerpt from a site that site that leads nowhere. Good start.

http://www.neilcherry.com/profile.php



I'm sure it's going to get better from there. Oh look, more studies from the 90s. It's almost like he doesn't have anything recent because it conflicts with his scaremongering. And the guy is an environmental scientist, not even a medical doctor. But good work there.

 

[MaloCS]

Initial thoughts: Holy crap, that's a poorly made site.

Exerpt from a site that site that leads nowhere. Good start.

http://www.neilcherry.com/profile.php

View attachment 648649

I'm sure it's going to get better from there. Oh look, more studies from the 90s. It's almost like he doesn't have anything recent because it conflicts with his scaremongering. And the guy is an environmental scientist, not even a medical doctor. But good work there.

Goff Translation:
Move along. Nothing to see here. Stay calm and Bluetooth on.

LOL!
[doublepost=1473183749][/doublepost]Another article with great information...
http://www.electricsense.com/1010/b...-learn-nowhere-else-–-is-it-really-dangerous/

 

[Michael Goff]

Goff Translation:
Move along. Nothing to see here. Stay calm and Bluetooth on.

LOL!
[doublepost=1473183749][/doublepost]Another article with great information...
http://www.electricsense.com/1010/bluetooth-what-you-will-learn-nowhere-else-–-is-it-really-dangerous/

Any source that is quick to claim that the other side is manipulating is one you shouldn't take seriously. I'm not saying it isn't possible. I'm just saying we need to do more research on the matter.