No one here has to make the argument. You would have to get this straight from the horses mouth from Apple.
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Brazil Fines Apple $19 Million for Continuing to Sell iPhones Without Charger
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I'd be interested to know how many people would request a charger because it's free and still never use it. I think I might even take one thinking "Heck, it's free. I might need it someday."
I wish that every decision that negatively impacts the environment would have an associated cost.
Yes, I'm suggesting that. That team should probably be replaced.
Yes, they are filing an appeal. But where I come from, until the matter is settled legally, Apple isn't skirting anything.
I think the argument is that most everyone would request a free charger and not use it. Apple can't make that argument since it presents a negative view about its customers.
Of course no one has to, I suspect that there is not anyone that could make a valid argument for Apple’s charger policy.
As for the horse mouth of Apple, I guess there are some people that would believe anything a corporation says.
Yes, I agree. And while the outcome is yet to be determined, it's my opinion, Apple doesn't want to go back to putting chargers in the box. It's not green, it's more expensive to ship, uses more fossil fuels etc.
Yes, and everybody has to dig deep on this. Being cynical about the world isn't really a good trait either.
If they were unaware of Brazilian law then they would have found a way to comply with the law once they were made aware of it by just offering chargers upon request.
They are filing an appeal because they want to keep ignoring the law, not because they need time to create a program to offer chargers upon request because Apple has had plenty of time to figure out a solution which would comply with Brazilian law. It only took around month for Apple to create a program to either offer iPhone 4 bumpers upon request or accept returns of iPhones. Yet here we are over one year since Apple was hit with the first fine for this violation of Brazilian law which means that Apple has known about the Brazilian law for at least one and a half years.
TLDR - Apple had valid environmental reasons to exclude chargers, but they ignored, and want to keep ignoring, Brazilian law instead of coming up with a way to satisfy both needs.
Now we're into speculation. The matter is up for appeal and that is where this is at.
The justification for the appeal is not relevant. That they filed an appeal is.
If you'll excuse the pun, this is not an apples to apples comparison. You're holding it wrong is an engineering error. How they got bumpers or how fast they got bumpers is not analagous to this situation.
Yes, they have been legally fighting the system. We'll see how this ends up.
Apple has been aware of this law for at least a year and a half, and likely much longer than that, yet has made no attempt to satisfy the Brazilian law by even offering chargers, which they currently manufacture and include with the base iPad. They are filing the appeal because they want to keep ignoring Brazilian law instead of developing a compromise.
But don't worry. Just like with the Dutch courts fining Apple over dating apps payment methods, Apple will get tired of these fines and figure out a compromise.
Yes, because Apple legally fights for what they believe in.
Yes. At some point in time when there is clarity and the appeal is settled we will see how this all turns out. Apple has $$$ in the bank. They will not tire of the fines. Yes, we will find out whether what happened in the Netherlands is good for the consumer or bad for the consumer.
You know what’s better? Free food, free petroleum, lower taxes etc. but now the convo is veering off-course. But if apple wants to provide the charger for free, more power to them. But my guess is they won’t where not required by law.
I think it's more a reason why Apple shouldn't be providing free chargers. Again, the problem is that most customers would probably request the free charger even if they didn't need it which would defeat the purpose of excluding chargers for environmental reasons.
They could but if this is at least partially about the environment for Apple, offering a free charger would not be the answer. Most customers would probably choose to get a free charger even if they didn't need one which would defeat the purpose of excluding chargers for environmental reasons.
I think Apple (and many other companies) would prefer to advertise the price as low as possible rather than at a higher price with potential price deductions.
You don't see Apple advertising the iPhone 14 for $1,129 and then saying you can deduct $200 if you only want 256GB storage or deduct $300 if you only want 128GB storage.
You don't see Apple advertising the iPhone 14 with cases, screen protectors, etc. and then saying you can deduct $XX, $XX, etc. if you don’t want the particular item.
There could be more people needing new cases than new chargers. Should Apple be including cases for free too? Wouldn't that be good for the customer? Perhaps screen protectors should be included for free too?
OR Apple could keep prices lower and let customers decide what they want or need and buy accordingly, instead of wastefully including things potentially unnecessarily.
I don't see an issue with giving the choice to the consumer, but if Apple was really concerned that everyone would choose the option of the charger, then that would be easily resolved by offering a discount for those that choose not to include the charger.
That way, everything is covered, preventing excessive waste by giving people an option to forgo the charger for a discount, and the people that want the charger can get it. All while keeping iPhone prices the same.
Keeping prices the same, and then charging people for things that were previously included in the name of the environment, seems pretty self-serving.
Honestly, I would rather Apple say that they are no longer including the charger to boost their margins or due to rising costs. At least they would be honest about it.
I assume that you have complained to other companies that deliver electrical products without a charger? I'm thinking products like any headset.... None of them include a charger. Following your logic, they should be sued.
Absolutely agree. Apple should definitely be forced to include a power plant (preferably not coal-fired since I'm an environmentalist).
the defendant imposes on the consumer a required purchase of charger adapters that were previously supplied along with the product," read the ruling.
So Brazil government would be ok if Apple included charger and increased the price of the phone by $30 for all customers in the world, Apple wouldn't be paying this fine, instead all iPhone customers would be paying $30 more for every iPhone ?
I like how these governments are helping customers.
So Brazil government would be ok if Apple included charger and increased the price of the phone by $30 for all customers in the world, Apple wouldn't be paying this fine, instead all iPhone customers would be paying $30 more for every iPhone ?
I like how these governments are helping customers.
then Apple would be making 100% more chargers then what they are making today.