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Let’s take your totally reasonable example. If they buy all buy a new iPhone because they just landed on planet Earth a charger will cost them less than 5 percent each and once only (1st buy).

And here is the AirPods Recycling Program: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/airpods/dev4b98b4784/web
lol you know how many folks from around the world is just getting their first iphone? my sister in law back in turkey just got her first iphone last year. small example, yes i know, but it isn't hard to scale that up given how expensive techs are outside of us.

as for airpods, please provide a figure on how many folks actually use that service.
 
With all due respect, a charger is something NEEDED to use the device. The others you mention are optional.

A charger needs something to charge (like a phone) or it's useless. No one complains about chargers coming without phones.
 
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I don't see an issue with giving the choice to the consumer, but if Apple was really concerned that everyone would choose the option of the charger, then that would be easily resolved by offering a discount for those that choose not to include the charger.

That way, everything is covered, preventing excessive waste by giving people an option to forgo the charger for a discount, and the people that want the charger can get it. All while keeping iPhone prices the same.

I addressed this a bit in my post #293.



Keeping prices the same, and then charging people for things that were previously included in the name of the environment, seems pretty self-serving.

Honestly, I would rather Apple say that they are no longer including the charger to boost their margins or due to rising costs. At least they would be honest about it.

But we don't know if prices would've been kept the same if chargers continued to be included. Perhaps if Apple was still including a charger, prices would've been higher e.g., the 128GB iPhone 14 could've been $849 instead of $829. No one can say for sure one way or another which makes the "it's Apple greed" versus "it's for the environment” debate continues. Logically, it's both cost savings and environment but how much of it is one over the other is unknown.
 
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They're right to sue. The fact they don't give a charger anymore is PURE greed. They're just using "carbon emissions" propaganda to conceal their greed. Literally when you get a new iphone your purchase doesn't end there, you literally have to go online or go to a store to buy a new charger.

No, you can use your existing charger. That's what I'll do.

Today, I have one charger which charges my iPhone 11, two iPads and an Apple Watch. It only charges at 2.4A with USB-A.

When I get my iPhone 14 I'll continue to use the charger and the cable. Nothing changes except the iPhone being charged is a new one. Same charger, same cable.
 
yes i do, since apple ship the iphone with usbc now none of my old 5w usba apple charger is compatible.

You can use your old 5W USB-A charger to charge a new iPhone 14 with a your old (or new) USB-A to Lightning cable.
 
When the new common charger directive in EU is law in about 2 years, it will be illegal not to offer a mobile phone without a charger.

the proposals of the European Commission is not only the introduction of a unified USB Type-C connector but also the desire to “separate the sale of chargers from the sale of electronics”. This, according to officials, “will improve consumer convenience and reduce the environmental impact associated with the manufacture and disposal of chargers; thereby supporting environmental and digital transitions.”
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Does Brazilian consumer law, which Apple is currently violating, say anything about cases or screen protectors?

My post was in response to your comment that "giving people who need a charger a free charger is good for the customer" and if that is justification for the law then it may not be well thought at as there can be other things even better (more likely needed) for the customer. Including a charger (which most customers probably have) instead of things like a case or screen protector (which more are likely to need) is wasteful.

If Brazil really wants to require an item to be included with an iPhone then why not at least give the customer a choice as to what that item is e.g., a charger, a case and screen protector, or something else of similar value. Otherwise, it can be wasteful.
 
iPhones use a proprietary charging connector.
Most people don‘t have or use iPhones (or other USB-C powered devices, especially in Brazil).
Hence most people don‘t have an appropriate charger.

They can use the charger that came with their Android phone. Any (old) USB charger can be used to charge a new iPhone.

If they're new to iPhones, they might need to buy a new cable but not a new charger.
 
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Maybe we have two groups of people arguing. One group thinks we have an environmental crisis on our hands, the other group not so much.

This Brazilian law is bad for the consumer. Those consumers are trapped in the same environmental crisis that we all are.
 
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I used to recommend Apple to all family and friends, especially elderly and technology challenged, under the assurance that no matter what, Apple would take care of them. They may not generously give you extra accessories like other companies, but they're going to give you everything you need for a great, simple experience, and that's why the premium price was worth it.

Refusing to include a charging brick is not taking care of the customer.
Tesla doesn't include a way of charging it's cars without purchasing the required hardware. That's not taking care of the customer either. Yet the cars are flying off the factory shelves. In 2022 it is what it is.
I really like that. It introduces a measure of personal responsibility and lets Apple off the hook. They'd still get some savings since many people wouldn't request one.
Apple should create another sku that has a charger voucher in the box and charge $20 more the sku.
doesn't mean its a good choice, i'm lucky that my usb hub for my mbp has the necessary peripheral. but for millions of others who doesn't have my setup its a bother. imagine a family of 4 getting their first iphone or something, they would need to spend 100 bucks on quality chargers because apple claim its better for the environment, which is a total bs argument from apple since they sell millions of disposable airpods every year.
Good choice or not, this is the way it is. I bought this https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics...cphy=1023191&hvtargid=pla-1087581365270&psc=1 If I'm spending $1000 on a phone the extra $14 isn't going to be a deal breaker. However, at home I already have a drawerful of bricks and cables.
 
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My post was in response to your comment that "giving people who need a charger a free charger is good for the customer" and if that is justification for the law then it may not be well thought at as there can be other things even better (more likely needed) for the customer. Including a charger (which most customers probably have) instead of things like a case or screen protector (which more are likely to need) is wasteful.
This is an article about Brazilian consumer law.
If Brazil really wants to require an item to be included with an iPhone then why not at least give the customer a choice as to what that item is e.g., a charger, a case and screen protector, or something else of similar value. Otherwise, it can be wasteful.
Brazilian consumer law, which Apple is willfully violating, says nothing about cases or screen protectors.
 
Of course no one has to, I suspect that there is not anyone that could make a valid argument for Apple’s charger policy.

Of course I can.

It will reduce the number of charger produced and transported by Apple. It will reduce their carbon footprint, their use of plastic and other materials.

To achieve this they have to make it cumbersome and expensive to buy a charger from Apple. That's why it can't be free or easy to order.

Now, if someone still buys a charger from Apple for every Apple device they buy, they'll be paying a lot of money. Some of that profit, Apple can use to buy carbon quotas to offset their carbon footprint for producing and transport these chargers.

It's a great way for Apple to achieve their goal of being carbon neutral by 2030 for their entire supply chain.
 
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lol you know how many folks from around the world is just getting their first iphone? my sister in law back in turkey just got her first iphone last year. small example, yes i know, but it isn't hard to scale that up given how expensive techs are outside of us.
I believe Apple did the math on this. Sure there will be those who don't have a computer, don't have a phone, don't have any rechargeable gizmos that require a power brick...so should Apple produce 100s of millions of bricks to satisfy the small percentage (imo) of customers who have absolutely no usb ports? My answer is no.
as for airpods, please provide a figure on how many folks actually use that service.
He doesn't have to provide a figure on how many use that service, just that the service exists.
 
Tesla doesn't include a way of charging it's cars without purchasing the required hardware. That's not taking care of the customer either. Yet the cars are flying off the factory shelves. In 2022 it is what it is.

Apple should create another sku that has a charger voucher in the box and charge $20 more the sku.

Good choice or not, this is the way it is. I bought this https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics...cphy=1023191&hvtargid=pla-1087581365270&psc=1 If I'm spending $1000 on a phone the extra $14 isn't going to be a deal breaker. However, at home I already have a drawerful of bricks and cables.
yeah, this is the way it is in the us, but not so much for brazil it seems lol
 
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Do you mean like when Apple dropped the included charger, while simultaneously replacing the USB-A to Lightning cable with a USB-C to Lightning cable? I fail to see how including a cable incompatible with the millions of previously-shipped charge blocks that would "reduce electronic waste". I'd imagine that all it really did was drive sales of cables and/or chargers to get an actual matching set, which was their likely intent in the first place.

Let's say you need to buy a USB-C charger today. That charger will work for 10 to 20 years. Let's say You buy a new iPhone every third year.

In that period you might have then anything from 3 to 7 iPhones and yet you'll only need 1-2 to chargers.

That's how you'll reduce e-waste and why EU is requiring phones to be sold without chargers.
 
I believe Apple did the math on this. Sure there will be those who don't have a computer, don't have a phone, don't have any rechargeable gizmos that require a power brick...so should Apple produce 100s of millions of bricks to satisfy the small percentage (imo) of customers who have absolutely no usb ports? My answer is no.

He doesn't have to provide a figure on how many use that service, just that the service exists.
services exist doesn't mean its been put to use. if hardly anyone uses the services its existence is irrelevant.
 
imagine a family of 4 getting their first iphone or something, they would need to spend 100 bucks on quality chargers because apple claim its better for the environment, which is a total bs argument from apple since they sell millions of disposable airpods every year.

That family could use their old chargers. Or they could share 2 new chargers.

But think about the future. Would they need to buy a new charger when they replaced their iPhones in a few years? No, most likely those chargers will last for 10, 20 or even 30 years.

Instead of Apple producing 200 million chargers every year, maybe they'll only be producing 50 millions.
 
Apple should create another sku that has a charger voucher in the box and charge $20 more the sku.

There has to be friction that dissuades the user from getting an unneeded charger. If the friction is cost then Apple will be accused of greed; that would cause the same problems we're seeing now. Individuals don't want to step up and make a sacrifice, so they would rage against the cost (as they now rage against the lack of a charger).

If Apple is really serious about the environment, and they want to side-step this rage, they have to make a small sacrifice and suck up this cost, but still discourage the users from getting chargers they don't need.
 
So basically you are saying you don’t already have at least one charger because you never ever bought an iPhone or iPad and you don’t have a Mac and you don’t prefer wireless charging.

I keep reading that point, and I don't get it at all. What do you do with your old phones I've been through about 8 iPhones, when I'm done with the old phone, the charger goes with it. You can't pretend everyone buying a new iPhone and everyone buying an old iPhone already have chargers so chargers magically never change hands and everyone already has one.
 
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