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Break for US punk trio Blink-182
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iPlm said:Do you understand what u're saying?
Pop punk? Blink 182 is a commercial skate punk rock band. So what if they are on MTV and everywhere else, they are sugary, light(depends) liked by the people and make money, anything wrong with that? Blink 182 is not an underground band, they are a commercial band and have great songs. I'm not saying commercial music is that good, but you can't deny that there are exceptions. Boy bands can be put in a same group of people making music for money with Blink.
I don't know what 'real' punk is about, I haven't seen those movies, nor heard those bands, i'll give them a look. One of my favourite bands are Bad Religion and Millencolin. What you are referring to is probably of differeny era of punk music evolution.
Not meant to offend you or anything. This is my opinion...
I'm not offended. And I said that you can like whatever you want.
If you like something don't let anyone tell you that you don't like it, or that you shouldn't like it.
There are plenty of bands out there to suit everyone.
It's just that I take umbrage to the fact that pop music has co-opted the Punk image as a way to sell stale music. Hence pop punk, and Hot Topic stores in every mall in the universe.
If you dig it, enjoy.
If you want to find out more about why punk happened go for it. There are many, many styles encompassed by the "punk" label. The main thing is that it has to have a spirit of honesty, and conviction in what that band is trying to say.
The Groups of Wrath album is a sampler put out by Marty Thau that includes Blondie, The New York Dolls, The Bloodless Pharaohs, Suicide, The Fleshtones, Richard Hell & the Voidoids, and the Ramones. It's a very diverse sampling of what punk rock has to offer.
Wendy O. Williams was the lead singer of the Plasmatics.
I didn't mean to cause any offense to you personally, and I don't want to highjack this thread.
So, sorry to all that have had to read my drivel.
Edit: Well I'm off...............I think I'll get some Sushi...... and not pay.
I don't think Limp Bizkit really needs to be on the list, they haven't done anything in a while anyway.
Nominations:
Linkin Park (!!)
Motley Crüe, because their time has passed.
uhh... okay, I can't think of any others right now
Nominations:
Linkin Park (!!)
Motley Crüe, because their time has passed.
uhh... okay, I can't think of any others right now
Am I the only one who likes Green Day (the new album kicks ass), and Linkin Park? Yes, Green Day are pop punk and LP aren't exactly fine musical artists, but their music sounds great (most of the time, they both have their low points). Blink 182 had some great hits - Dammit, Josie, just about the entire Enema of the State album - but they've been sliding downhill. Gonna miss them.
Good Charlotte started great with Self-titled, started to get a stupid punk image but maintained their quality (if not better) with Young and Hopeless, but completely lost it with Chronicles. The image got to their heads and they messed with their winning formula too much. Blah.
I'm actually coming around to the Scissor Sisters, I thought they were just eurotrash when I first saw their ad, but Take Your Mama and Laura are actually really good songs. Interpol, I've heard good reviews but never actually heard the music. They've been compared to Coldplay, which can only be a good thing. U2 can be pretty boring agreed, but they can still pull out miracles (Beautiful Day, Electrical Storm come to mind).
And who said Elton John was crap??? Anyone who's had a US Top 40 hit every year for 30 straight years (not to mention the first - and second - albums EVER to debut at US #1) can't be that bad. Even Elvis only managed 22.
My vote for next gravestone is Simple Plan - what's the big friggin' deal? Contrived pop punk vocals (would suck live I predict, Good Charlotte would eat them alive), brain-dead poor-me lyrics (Welcome To My Life? Moron.), the hooks are the only thing keeping them at the top of the charts. So how did they become this New Big Thing so fast???
And yes, Busted was a one hit wonder. I had to check the picture to remember who they were . "Oh yeah, the teacher pervs." Whatever. Goodbye.
Good Charlotte started great with Self-titled, started to get a stupid punk image but maintained their quality (if not better) with Young and Hopeless, but completely lost it with Chronicles. The image got to their heads and they messed with their winning formula too much. Blah.
I'm actually coming around to the Scissor Sisters, I thought they were just eurotrash when I first saw their ad, but Take Your Mama and Laura are actually really good songs. Interpol, I've heard good reviews but never actually heard the music. They've been compared to Coldplay, which can only be a good thing. U2 can be pretty boring agreed, but they can still pull out miracles (Beautiful Day, Electrical Storm come to mind).
And who said Elton John was crap???
Anyone who's had a US Top 40 hit every year for 30 straight years (not to mention the first - and second - albums EVER to debut at US #1) can't be that bad. Even Elvis only managed 22.My vote for next gravestone is Simple Plan - what's the big friggin' deal? Contrived pop punk vocals (would suck live I predict, Good Charlotte would eat them alive), brain-dead poor-me lyrics (Welcome To My Life? Moron.), the hooks are the only thing keeping them at the top of the charts. So how did they become this New Big Thing so fast???
And yes, Busted was a one hit wonder. I had to check the picture to remember who they were
. "Oh yeah, the teacher pervs." Whatever. Goodbye.
First of all, Green Day isn't nearly as bad as Blink 182. Some of GD's older stuff is pretty good, and c'mon, Good Riddance is a pretty good song... Since their new album isn't very good I wouldn't be heartbroken to see them go, but I just can't lump them together. As for who needs to go, I'd really love to see Franz Ferdinand eat it. F*** those guys. They suck and everybody likes them.
It always amuses me how elitist "punk" fans. Whether you like it or not, Blink 182 is a punk rock band. The fact they are actually successful and have some good songs does not change that. In other words, you don't have to be a whiny, untalented, underground freak show to be considered punk. I'm no fan of Blink 182, either, but I don't dislike them because they were successful.doumbek said:
Now, Green Day is one of my favorite bands and are much more talented than Blink was. Please don't wish for them to break up, although I don't think they will after their latest album was such a success
. I grew up listening to their music so I guess I will always like their stuff. And, er, all you Europeans out there dissing American music--you don't have to import all your culture from us...
I would love to see J-Lo go along with Celien Dion, Hillary Duff, Lindsey Lowhan, and of course Simple Plan
One last thing, can we please put Guns And Roses out of their misery Axel needs to give it up, since Velvet Revolver is so much better than Axel could ever make GNR
One last thing, can we please put Guns And Roses out of their misery Axel needs to give it up, since Velvet Revolver is so much better than Axel could ever make GNR
I know what punk music used to be. Ramones reminded me
As I mentioned before, there are exceptions in the MTV world.
Green Day is a great band, so why want them to break up? Now some crying whining bands like Simple Plan, they should break up
Do any of you like Bad Religion? They make amazing music and are one of my all time favorites
As I mentioned before, there are exceptions in the MTV world.
Green Day is a great band, so why want them to break up? Now some crying whining bands like Simple Plan, they should break up
Do any of you like Bad Religion? They make amazing music and are one of my all time favorites
jamdr said:It always amuses me how elitist "punk" fans. Whether you like it or not, Blink 182 is a punk rock band. The fact they are actually successful and have some good songs does not change that. In other words, you don't have to be a whiny, untalented, underground freak show to be considered punk. I'm no fan of Blink 182, either, but I don't dislike them because they were successful.
Now, Green Day is one of my favorite bands and are much more talented than Blink was. Please don't wish for them to break up, although I don't think they will after their latest album was such a success
I'll try this one more time............I am not elitist.
I listen to every genre of music under the sun. If you guys want to read the entire thread I even wanted Cibo Mato, a pop band, to reform.
I don't like or dislike anyone because of the amount of records they sell.
I hate to do this but I will quote myself...
I didn't think that could be mistaken for elitism, but I guess it was.
I just think that comparing blink 182 to punk is on the same par as comparing Kenny G to jazz...............Yeah they both sold a lot of records and are very popular, but Kenny G ain't no Dizzy Gillespie.
And by the way Green Day is a better band than they get credit for, they do write some pretty solid songs. And I do like Bad Religion.
Now hopefully we can end this by getting back on topic.
Please, Please, Please break up the unnatural duo of Mutt Lang and Shania Twain (that's if they're still together, I have no idea).
And hopefully the Setzer brothers will patch things up and reform the Bloodless Pharaohs (Brian Setzer's band before the Stray Cats).
By that definition you must think Britney Spears is gods gift as she is commercially succesful too. Selling a lot of records is not a marker of how good you are. Microsoft sells a lot more copies of Windows than Apple does OS X. So which is better?sluthy said:And who said Elton John was crap???
For the record. Elton was good when he started. he hasn't done anything decent since the eighties.
I say break up every band mentioned in this thread so far. Don't like any of them, maybe with the exception of Thievery Corp (maybe).
Or we can even wipe out Thievery Corp and say it was collateral damage.
Or we can even wipe out Thievery Corp and say it was collateral damage.
If you listen to the early Beatles as opposed to the later years you can hear how the music grew out of what would now be considered "boy band pop" into a more solid ballad, stronger written lyrics and better built songs.Chappers said:
Further more The Beatles evolved and that kept them fresh, as Green Day and Blink 182 stayed with the same kinds of boy punk and its getting old now. The music is not strong enough to hold up to the test of time.
I do!iPlm said:IDo any of you like Bad Religion? They make amazing music and are one of my all time favorites
I first heard them when playing Crazy Taxi on GameCube. I thought "Whoa, punk and vocal harmonies? "And from what I hear, Kenny-G is also an ass. This is complete hearsay, but this is the story I heard: Kenny-G had just finished playing at the Newport Jazz Festival, and said "People say that the greatest jazz musicians in the world have played here. Now it's true" (or something to that effect). I also heard a funny story about Thelonious Monk after he finished his set, but that's even more OT
back to the topic...
blink was actually a pretty capable pop punk band... they had a period of not being so great, but their early albums and their last album were all pretty good (certainly better than most of what passes for pop-punk these days).
the main bad thing i see coming from this is that all the groups that have involved blink members on their own have sucked (boxcar racer? the transplants? all rubbish).
i for one will miss them. they were pretty unique compared to their commercially successful bretheren (two lead vocalists? no obvious front man? a drummer and bassist that are acctually capable? wow).
back off the topic...
comon you guys, don't bash on green day. yea, their last album sucked, but i'd contend that they've been one of the most important bands of the past decade (plus or minus 2 or so years). i don't know if you people remember dookie, but that album has insired quite a lot of people. just like band like green day learned toplay guitar to ramones songs, there's a whole generation of kids that learned to play guitar playing green day songs.
that is all.
blink was actually a pretty capable pop punk band... they had a period of not being so great, but their early albums and their last album were all pretty good (certainly better than most of what passes for pop-punk these days).
the main bad thing i see coming from this is that all the groups that have involved blink members on their own have sucked (boxcar racer? the transplants? all rubbish).
i for one will miss them. they were pretty unique compared to their commercially successful bretheren (two lead vocalists? no obvious front man? a drummer and bassist that are acctually capable? wow).
back off the topic...
comon you guys, don't bash on green day. yea, their last album sucked, but i'd contend that they've been one of the most important bands of the past decade (plus or minus 2 or so years). i don't know if you people remember dookie, but that album has insired quite a lot of people. just like band like green day learned toplay guitar to ramones songs, there's a whole generation of kids that learned to play guitar playing green day songs.
that is all.
iPlm said:
commercial skate punk rock = pop punk
If you like them fantastic. If you don't like them fantastic. But calling them punk is like calling Def Leppard heavy metal.
Lethal
MacNut said:
Yes, that was my point.
Hair metal is an offshoot of heavy metal the same way pop-punk is an offshoot of punk. And DL wasn't the "hairiest" of hair bands and I don't think Blink 182 is the poppiest of pop-punk.I wasn't making a random statement, I did actually put some thought into it.
Lethal
MacNut said:Im sure there are people in this forum who have never heard an 80's metal band.
Good lord, I bet yer right! I suddenly feel so old! Nooooooooo!
Lethal
LethalWolfe said:
Okay, it's sort of punk isn't it
On topic...
I think Limp Bizkit should retire. They haven't made anything nice in the last years. After their big success whatever they make, it sucks. I liked their first two albums, the second (Significant Other) was great, but a lot has changed since then.